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2012-10-01 11:11 AM in reply to: #4434767 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 10:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. Like your post. Overall, I think you've hit right on it. So there is now a niche for a news org. to actually tenaciously go after the unbiased truth..... and it's 2012. Unacceptable. |
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2012-10-01 11:36 AM in reply to: #4434767 |
Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. |
2012-10-01 11:48 AM in reply to: #4435051 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. I agree with you 100% that there are more news outlets with a liberal slant vs a conservative one. But if you're seriously going to suggest that FOX News has a "slight slant to the right or a conservative spin" as opposed to being a mouthpiece for conservative interests 100% of the time, you're either not watching carefully or are fooling yourself. They don't even pretend to be balanced anymore, so to say they're "slightly slanted to the right" is like saying that Elton John is slightly slanted gay. |
2012-10-01 1:59 PM in reply to: #4435081 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 11:48 AM crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM I agree with you 100% that there are more news outlets with a liberal slant vs a conservative one. But if you're seriously going to suggest that FOX News has a "slight slant to the right or a conservative spin" as opposed to being a mouthpiece for conservative interests 100% of the time, you're either not watching carefully or are fooling yourself. They don't even pretend to be balanced anymore, so to say they're "slightly slanted to the right" is like saying that Elton John is slightly slanted gay. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. The problem is it's virtually impossible to pin down a number as to "how" biased an outlet is. You can point to a Sean Hannity on Fox or a Chris Matthews on MSNBC and say how uber biased they both are, but there's a lot of different shows including hard news and entertainers that send it all over the map. I saw this several months ago that I thought was interesting. It's nothing more than an attempt to score bias levels, but it's no science by any means. The weirdest thing I noticed was it had Drudge as leaning liberal, lol. That's about the most conservative outlet I know of. |
2012-10-01 2:26 PM in reply to: #4435379 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks I've said it a million times, I'll say it again-- it's not just about the slant the media puts on a certain issue, it's WHICH ISSUES they choose to focus on at all. This weekend witnessed the 2000th death of an American soldier in the war in Afghanistan. That could have been a big story, but it was barely covered by the MSM. Why not? The story of the 1000th death in Iraq was a HUGE story. Ted Koppel went on the air to read the name of every serviceman who died in Iraq. Were the deaths of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan under Obama somehow less important than the soldiers killed in Iraq under Bush? For that matter, where are the stories about the grieving family members ala Cindy Sheehan? Just a couple weeks ago, the US debt crossed $16 trillion for their first time. Seems like a pretty big issue-- in fact, the entire Tea Party movement was basically formed to address the debt. Where were the huge cover stories from TIME and other news mags? Why did most of the MSM not even mention "Fast and Furious" until recently? And, of course, why was the MSM so quick and so willing to buy the story that the Mid-East protests were in reaction to some minor youtube posts when they occurred on the anniversary of the biggest terror attack in U.S. history? And why are they still not asking the tough follow-up questions of this president and this administration, but they're all too-willing to focus on what Romney told some ardent campaign supporters at a lunch or what time Ryan ran his marathon in? |
2012-10-01 2:38 PM in reply to: #4435379 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks tuwood - 2012-10-01 1:59 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 11:48 AM crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM I agree with you 100% that there are more news outlets with a liberal slant vs a conservative one. But if you're seriously going to suggest that FOX News has a "slight slant to the right or a conservative spin" as opposed to being a mouthpiece for conservative interests 100% of the time, you're either not watching carefully or are fooling yourself. They don't even pretend to be balanced anymore, so to say they're "slightly slanted to the right" is like saying that Elton John is slightly slanted gay. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. The problem is it's virtually impossible to pin down a number as to "how" biased an outlet is. But does it really make a difference? If we accept that Fox leans right and the Times leans left, what difference does it make if it’s 51%, 80% or 100%? Either way, you have an agency that is presenting itself as an unbiased source of news when in fact, they have a political/social agenda. That was sort of my point to cruse about Fox. He sees them as “slanting right” and I see them as far to the right, but either way, you have an entity that is presenting itself as unbiased source of news that clearly isn’t. Arguing over whether they’re really biased or really, really biased is sort of pointless, IMO. Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2012-10-01 2:41 PM |
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2012-10-01 3:23 PM in reply to: #4435081 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 12:48 PM crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. I agree with you 100% that there are more news outlets with a liberal slant vs a conservative one. But if you're seriously going to suggest that FOX News has a "slight slant to the right or a conservative spin" as opposed to being a mouthpiece for conservative interests 100% of the time, you're either not watching carefully or are fooling yourself. They don't even pretend to be balanced anymore, so to say they're "slightly slanted to the right" is like saying that Elton John is slightly slanted gay. Dang, I was trying to be civil. Retracting part of my earlier statement. Have you actually watched MSNBC lately ? They spend a LOT of time talking about Fox. Why, because it just angers them to the core that all those idiot right-wingers watch that show and few people, of any following, watch their show. They're abysmal. It's hysterical. I think you're incorrect about Fox but I can understand how that view can be had. Since they're the ONLY real outlet for the right/conservatives/Repubs/etc. they're bound to be given that label. Sure they're right wingers to the left....they've never had any competition before. Have you watched the show a lot ? I read somewhere something that might help explain the 6-7 to 1 liberal to conservative imbalance in the media. It was basically "Smart liberals go to journalism school and smart conservatives go to law school." But for the majority of the media to minimize/avoid covering/slant issues just because it hurts their guy/party/ideology is criminal. eta: content Edited by tri42 2012-10-01 3:30 PM |
2012-10-01 4:10 PM in reply to: #4435608 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks tri42 - 2012-10-01 3:23 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 12:48 PM crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. I agree with you 100% that there are more news outlets with a liberal slant vs a conservative one. But if you're seriously going to suggest that FOX News has a "slight slant to the right or a conservative spin" as opposed to being a mouthpiece for conservative interests 100% of the time, you're either not watching carefully or are fooling yourself. They don't even pretend to be balanced anymore, so to say they're "slightly slanted to the right" is like saying that Elton John is slightly slanted gay. I think you're incorrect about Fox but I can understand how that view can be had. Since they're the ONLY real outlet for the right/conservatives/Repubs/etc. they're bound to be given that label. Sure they're right wingers to the left....they've never had any competition before. With all due respect, I think that it’s common for a person to view a news source with which they tend to agree as being closer to being balanced than one with which they disagree. I don’t watch FOX (or any news source) every day, but when I have, I haven’t seen much effort on their part to present the opposing liberal viewpoint and, like Scooby said earlier, it’s not just what they say but what they choose to report or not to report on that demonstrates their bias. I read the NYT once in a while too and while I can certainly see why people see them as left-leaning, I see them as being far more balanced than you probably do, just as you don’t see FOX as being as right-wing as I do. I think Scooby hit it on the head when he said that it’s important not just to listen to what they’re saying in their reportage, but also to look at what stories they’re focusing on and what stories they’re conveniently ignoring. |
2012-10-01 6:08 PM in reply to: #4435608 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks tri42 - 2012-10-01 3:23 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 12:48 PM crusevegas - 2012-10-01 11:36 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-01 7:47 AM I would suggest that “The Press” as we’ve come to know them, no longer exists. I think that the days of the relentless journalists pursuing a story for the sake of the truth a la Woodward and Bernstein are long gone. The media exists for two reasons today: entertainment and politics. Today’s media spends far more time, money, and effort chronicling Lindsey Lohan’s latest meltdown than they do pursuing stories with legitimate impact on the world. If only today’s investigative reporters were one percent as tenacious as the celebrity paparazzi, we might expect some actual news from the major outlets. And, as I said, what few media outlets aren’t dedicated 24/7 to feeding the public’s insatiable desire for stupid non-stories that people can share on Facebook have chosen a political side and serve as little more than the media arm of the Democrats or the Republicans. It makes no more sense to complain about the NYT’s selective reporting than it does to complain about FOX. You’re right—there is no watch dog anymore. All we can do is read as many stories as we can and try to piece together the truth. I spend at least an hour in the morning watching msnbc, cnn & fox, I also occasionally see the the other non cable news outlets occasionally. It appears to me that all but one is in the tank for Obama and the DNC, to varying degrees. That would make it one that could be argued has a slight slant to the right or a conservative spin and something like six or eight that are on the opposite side? The topic of this thread and the facts related to it pretty much bear this out. The President and his spokes people have out right lied to the American people repeatedly about what occurred in Libya and hardly a mention of it on all but one of the news organizations I mentioned. Have you actually watched MSNBC lately ? They spend a LOT of time talking about Fox. Why, because it just angers them to the core that all those idiot right-wingers watch that show and few people, of any following, watch their show. They're abysmal. It's hysterical. To answer your question, I haven't watched MSNBC in ages. I'm no more interested in their one-sided ideology than I am in FOX's. |
2012-10-02 6:03 AM in reply to: #4407320 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Heard Senator Reid's comments on the letters calling for Susan Rice to resign. He said the people making those calls were "just trying to score cheap political points." 4 American lives including an Ambassador, that's not cheap. Susan Rice was sent out as the sacrificial mouthpiece either because the NSAdvisor, Dir of CIA, or Hilary would not parrot the "spontaneous attack" line or because any call for her head for saying it was a "spontaneous attack" would be an attack on a minority woman and therefore would fit well with the Obama Campaign Material of "war on women" and "Romney's a Racist." I have to ask. Is it possible for anyone to call out a Democrat for ineptitude or downright lying without the Dems using the "cheap political points" line and without having the media back them up on the cheap points line? And while we're on Media Bias, the NYT ran Romney's High School hazing story on the cover page twice. The Benghazi thing didn't hit front page once. If that's not an indication of their leanings, then you're nuts. |
2012-10-02 6:26 AM in reply to: #4436292 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks GomesBolt - 2012-10-02 6:03 AM And while we're on Media Bias, the NYT ran Romney's High School hazing story on the cover page twice. The Benghazi thing didn't hit front page once. If that's not an indication of their leanings, then you're nuts. Sorry--did I say somewhere that the NYT wasn't left-leaning? Pretty sure I said just the opposite. Try reading a little more carefully before you go calling people names. |
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2012-10-02 8:10 AM in reply to: #4436292 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks GomesBolt - 2012-10-02 6:03 AM Heard Senator Reid's comments on the letters calling for Susan Rice to resign. He said the people making those calls were "just trying to score cheap political points." 4 American lives including an Ambassador, that's not cheap. Susan Rice was sent out as the sacrificial mouthpiece either because the NSAdvisor, Dir of CIA, or Hilary would not parrot the "spontaneous attack" line or because any call for her head for saying it was a "spontaneous attack" would be an attack on a minority woman and therefore would fit well with the Obama Campaign Material of "war on women" and "Romney's a Racist." I have to ask. Is it possible for anyone to call out a Democrat for ineptitude or downright lying without the Dems using the "cheap political points" line and without having the media back them up on the cheap points line? And while we're on Media Bias, the NYT ran Romney's High School hazing story on the cover page twice. The Benghazi thing didn't hit front page once. If that's not an indication of their leanings, then you're nuts. So I would assumed you'd be just as disgusted by Republicans if they made a similiar statement? Like the communications director of the House Appropriations Committee saying "It is extremely distasteful that some ill-informed Democrat staff are using the instability and violence abroad to score cheap political hits". Edited by kevin_trapp 2012-10-02 8:12 AM |
2012-10-03 7:11 AM in reply to: #4407320 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Yes. The "Cheap Political points" line is stupid because it's politics. It's all about cheap polling points. If it was about leadership, you'd see people standing up for their statements and or misstatements. And you'd see them answer a stinking question. I saw a cut of the Kennedy Nixon debates and I was struck by how much those two didn't attack each other or use tired lines, they answered the freaking questions. I'm saddened every time I hear the same bullet sound bite responses to every question whenever 4 Americans including an Ambassador are killed. That should mean something. You should put aside politics enough to get to the bottom of it and to make it clear what you're doing to prevent it. Because it can very easily happen again. |
2012-10-09 8:36 AM in reply to: #4438223 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Looks like this isn't going away anytime soon. The Administration still has some big questions to answer. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57527659/ex-u.s-security-tea... |
2012-10-09 2:20 PM in reply to: #4446278 |
Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks scoobysdad - 2012-10-09 6:36 AM Looks like this isn't going away anytime soon. The Administration still has some big questions to answer. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57527659/ex-u.s-security-tea...
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2012-10-10 12:07 PM in reply to: #4446851 |
Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks I'm confused, the State Dept. is claiming they NEVER said, thought or told anyone that the attacks in Libya were due to some video? |
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2012-10-10 12:24 PM in reply to: #4448286 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks crusevegas - 2012-10-10 1:07 PM I'm confused, the State Dept. is claiming they NEVER said, thought or told anyone that the attacks in Libya were due to some video? What? Where'd you hear that? I thought the head of the State Department is the Secretary of State. I'm confused. Maybe we need someone on the left to explain this to us... GEARBOY! Where are you? |
2012-10-10 12:30 PM in reply to: #4415868 |
Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Left Brain - 2012-09-17 11:51 PM I was sent this today, and while I understand it's a bit more complicated these days.......it's not all THAT complicated. There was a day when an attack on our embassy, with our ambassador killed, would have been considered an act of war. Those were easier times.
But what about 1983? I am unaware of the war started with Lebanon when 241 US service men where killed. In fact, Reagan called for the withdrawal of troops and they were gone 4 months after the bombing. I also wouldnt call Libya silent for 25 years considering the government later took responsibility for Pan Am 103 in 1988 w/ 270 dead. |
2012-10-10 12:33 PM in reply to: #4448346 |
Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks GomesBolt - 2012-10-10 10:24 AM crusevegas - 2012-10-10 1:07 PM I'm confused, the State Dept. is claiming they NEVER said, thought or told anyone that the attacks in Libya were due to some video? What? Where'd you hear that? I thought the head of the State Department is the Secretary of State. I'm confused. Maybe we need someone on the left to explain this to us... GEARBOY! Where are you? Well I heard it on Faux news, it was live or at least I was under the impression that it was live testimony during the Senate Hearings this morning. I looked at CNN and MSNBC and they were talking about the assult on Big Bird on MSNBC and I don't recall what CNN was covering at that time. In fairness to CNN they did for a short period cover the hearing. Looks like from what I've heard in the hearings the White House did in fact leave these people at risk for Political gain, and knowingly so. |
2012-10-10 12:33 PM in reply to: #4448346 |
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2012-10-10 12:51 PM in reply to: #4448377 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks crusevegas - 2012-10-10 12:33 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-10 10:24 AM crusevegas - 2012-10-10 1:07 PM I'm confused, the State Dept. is claiming they NEVER said, thought or told anyone that the attacks in Libya were due to some video? What? Where'd you hear that? I thought the head of the State Department is the Secretary of State. I'm confused. Maybe we need someone on the left to explain this to us... GEARBOY! Where are you? Well I heard it on Faux news, it was live or at least I was under the impression that it was live testimony during the Senate Hearings this morning. I looked at CNN and MSNBC and they were talking about the assult on Big Bird on MSNBC and I don't recall what CNN was covering at that time. In fairness to CNN they did for a short period cover the hearing. Looks like from what I've heard in the hearings the White House did in fact leave these people at risk for Political gain, and knowingly so. You keep saying that the White House knowingly left these people in harm’s way “for political gain”. I guess what I don’t understand is why you think anyone in the government would think that it would be politically advantageous to deliberately allow our embassy to be overrun and our ambassador murdered. How would they expect for that to reflect well upon them? That seems counterintuitive. |
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2012-10-10 1:10 PM in reply to: #4407320 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks The State Department denied Tuesday it ever concluded that the deadly consulate attack Sept. 11 in Libya was an unplanned outburst prompted by an anti-Islam movie, despite public statements early on by some in the Obama administration suggesting that was the case. Emphasis on the word "concluded". So, they may have parroted it from the mountain top for a week, but they didn't actually "conclude" it was or was not the video until they realized that their story was being shot to crap with the facts. I don't agree that the lack of security was for political purposes. I have to believe that nobody on either side of the political spectrum would knowingly endanger American's overseas like that. The argument that the State Department was negligent is most certainly valid because they did put our diplomats in harms way with inadequate protection. For that, they should pay a political price. This is really turning into a Watergate type scenario. The break ins at Watergate were bad, but not really a huge deal. The coverup on the other hand brought down a president. Obama and Hillary could have taken their lumps for the lack of security, but in stead chose to proactively cover up the lack of protection by claiming it was a spontaneous attack due to a Video that they could not have foreseen. |
2012-10-10 1:30 PM in reply to: #4448505 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks tuwood - 2012-10-10 1:10 PM The State Department denied Tuesday it ever concluded that the deadly consulate attack Sept. 11 in Libya was an unplanned outburst prompted by an anti-Islam movie, despite public statements early on by some in the Obama administration suggesting that was the case. Emphasis on the word "concluded". So, they may have parroted it from the mountain top for a week, but they didn't actually "conclude" it was or was not the video until they realized that their story was being shot to crap with the facts. President Obama was STILL (!) blaming the video in his Sept 25 (2 weeks later) address to the U.N. There is no way in heck he is going to let words flow from his mouth between now and the election that this was a terrorist attack and that, despite his and the previous admininstrations' efforts, al-Qaeda is alive and kicking. |
2012-10-10 3:24 PM in reply to: #4407320 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Jake Tapper: "Didn't the President shoot first and aim later?" Carney: Blah Blah Blah (think of a response that is not a response) Blah Blah Blah. At least there's one person in the White House Press Corps who asks questions.
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2012-10-10 7:48 PM in reply to: #4407424 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Libya and Egypt Attacks Gaarryy - 2012-09-12 10:56 AM This is too close to 9/11 for me to really buy into the "someone not from the USA that lives in California, made a movie where scenes got on youtube so we are rioting" Parading the dead body in the streets. Reports that the security forces told the rioters which building the envoy was moved to... Just difficult for me to believe that right now You and Sccob had your doubts from the get go. Now if only the Obama Admin. can get their lie straight. No other way to say it. Foreign policy was supposed to be a plus for the President. |
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