Presidential Debate (Page 7)

I think he's just selling it to his rich buddies unfortunately.  I just sent an email to try and have lunch with him so I can get on the list.

I dunno, but I'm in if we are selling off National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, National Monuments, etc.

Next up?  BLM land!!!

40 acres and a mule for everyone!!

i agree with your post in its entirety.  GJ ALL THE WAY.

But they didn't. They calculated the economy was the #1 priority and Romney was the best to choose from. And they needed a moderate which Romney has been in his career. They did not have one viable candidate other than some of the hopefuls for the future. The GOP can't mount a campaign. Romney himself is no slouch. He is a smart guy with some sort of ability to reach people. You can't be successful in life being as socially inept as the media makes him out to be... But Mit isn't actually Mit... Romney is the GOP puppet put up to beat the Dems puppet. Romney has parroted the GOP line every since he went for the nomination. Obama has parroted the Dem party line too. McCain literately neutered himself in a last ditch attempt to get the nod.

How you can not acknowledge Obama's incompetence is a mystery. He can talk well, but he can't lead. He can't broker deals, he can't reach an agreement. He hides behind partisanship when he said he was going to break it down. No President has done everything they said they would do, but we got the exact President that ran for the office. A guy with no leadership experience and zero significant accomplishments in his life. His Presidency has been an accurate mirror of his career.... and the GOP is powerless.

I'm guessing you're making this point from some left-wing blog, but I want to clarify something. 

When Romney or any business person talks about development on Federal Lands, they're never referring to the National Parks.  Those have been pretty-much off-limits since the National Environmental Policy Act (which by the way was signed by Nixon) unless the development directly supports the park itself. 

Romney made a comment about Oil and NG development not occuring on Federal Lands and Obama didn't defend himself on it.  The reason this is an issue is that the Federal Government has a lot of land (~20% of the western states total acreage) of which two departments were entirely formed to generate revenue for the Government: The US Forest Service and BLM.

The US Forest Service is under the USDA because it's supposed to grow and harvest trees for revenue and supervise contracts for stuff like mining.  The Forest was never supposed to be a preserve.  But (and I agree with this) several areas have been designated as "Wilderness" where you can't develop.  Still most of the land is supposed to be open to logging, development, etc to generate revenue.

Under this administration, they have reduced contracts, refused any and all development (including clean energy) and allowed the forest to overgrow in many western states. This has lead to what some are calling a new sagebrush rebellion by counties that are telling the Feds that if they don't take care of the forest (prescribed burns, clearing, etc) then the local and states will start doing it for them.

The Forest Service is broken and not generating revenue.

The BLM were all the lands that didn't have trees basically, they hold 1/8th of the US landmass.  They were formed to raise revenue as far back as 1787.  Several Solar projects have been approved for BLM, some wind projects, but that's it.  No oil and NG exploration contracts.

So your statement is false, but if you were to say "Romney wants to open up federal lands to his rich buddies" and "you'll be able to ride your mountain bike along the logging and oil roads/pipeline routes in the Forest or BLM!" then you'd be right.

This is the Romney quote about the land. Draw your own conclusions.

Yep.  Look at my last post.  If you find a quote from him saying "National Parks" then I'll agree.  But I'm pretty sure he's talking about the 70.2% of Utah and 76% of Nevada that belong to the USFS and BLM. 

Those lands should either be used for generating revenue (mining, logging, development) or they should be sold or option 3 redesignated as national parks.  But then you'd have to pay for that designation. 

But having a de-facto preserve on lands that are supposed to generate revenue is wrong. 

Granted it's not Romney, but it's being pushed by the GOP.

http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=11290

http://www.gop.gov/bill/112/1/hr1904

Federal Forest Land is not National Parks.  As for the Tribal holy sites.  The actual holy sites usually are protected, but they call everywhere a holy site when they plan to litigate it.

I'm using my refuge for killing ducks....you can develope yours however you want.

It's called Wildlife Management.  It contributes to the health of the population and generates revenue (license and tags right?)

USFS land is not open season for whatever someone wants to do on it.  Quite a large bit of USFS is designated as recreation.  

The specific area in question above was set aside by Eisenhower to be excluded from mining development.

"In 1955, the Eisenhower Administration issued Public Land Order 1229 (PLO 1229), which withdrew the 760 acres known as the Oak Flat Campground from all forms of appropriation, including mining. In so doing, the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) reserved Oak Flat as a campground and recreation area"

But now a mining company has lobbied long enough and hard enough to convince the Ariz rep to sponsor a bill to exchange the Oak Flat lands for other land elsewhere in the state.

As for the historical site, google for Apache Leap.

But hey, all of that is less imporant than jobs man.  Jobs!  Despite the locals (Superior, AZ) that it would supposedly benefit with the jobs saying that they don't want and don't need any more mining jobs in the area.

The main benefactor of the land swap deal will be the foreign mining company Rio Tinto, who's copper mine in Utah ( through their subsidiary Kennecott) is currently a superfund cleanup site.  Yay! 

http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/ut/kennecottnorth/index.html

So the Federal Government designates land as special land.  The state can't touch it for 57 years.  Then someone gets a representative of the federal government to put forth a bill to open it back up.  I'm not sure there's an issue there.

Provided the NEPA issues a ROD that recommends the project/swap can proceed. 

The NEPA really is a thorough way to make sure projects that shouldn't proceed don't.  The Tribes have their way of getting involved during that process. 

It also kills a lot of good projects because someone with an agenda gets involved along the way.

Examples of what exactly?

My bad.....what I meant was I was going to use my refugre for managing ducks....serious management.

Well, the bill bypasses the NEPA.  It says it will be in compliance with NEPA, but doesn't allow it to take place before the land swap occurs, just sometime within 3 years after Resolution Copper submits their plans for how they will mine the land.  It calls for permits to be issued to Resolution Copper within 30 or 90 days of their request.

I should ask Gosar about that...  How do you comply with NEPA, but take federal action before the NEPA is complete?  I actually know quite a few people involved in Resolution Copper and other AZ stuff.

Not so surprising though.  We all know the Mr. Obama's performance, or lack of last night was not his fault.

BREAKING NEWS:  President Bush is responsible for Obama debate performance.

He inherited a debate that was in serious trouble.

Word from my AZ Political contacts who shall remain nameless is that this thing is doomed...

http://www.silverbelt.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=72&story_id=4202 

Gosar as a Freshman Congressman pushed a lot of bills to try to increase jobs, etc.  He's a good rep in that he does what his constituents want him to do.  Also because he's only been there one term.  If he stays there a few terms.  We'll see what happens to him... Really great guy, all his staffers are good people too.  But DC has a way of turning people into vampires.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why Obama will be re-elected. He has taken enough money from one group or really, I guess, has borrowed enough from China or a combination of the two to bribe and buy votes from people willing to trade liberty for free shtuff with OPM and in the process do away with the need for personal responsibility.

As far as fact checking, what is the IRS code that rewards business for sending job over seas?

If in fact there is such a provision in the code why has Obama not changed that since he's been in office, or ever provided some serious detail as to what it is?

This is an easy one....... Generally in America with the media, the democrats get around 70 to 80% of the airtime and the pubs only get the balance, to keep things fair Mitt should of only have about 25 minutes give or take and he had a lot closer to 40 I believe,,,,,, he went over by over 50% of the time he should have had.

According to some of my left-leaning FB friends, the reason that Obama seemed to have done so poorly was because of the nonstop flow of lies out of Romney's mouth.  Apparently he was left speechless at the degree to which the evil Romney camp will go to pull the wool over American eyes.

Really, when's the last time you haven't heard "Republican" and "lies" in the same sentence?