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 2012-10-22 1:00 PM in reply to: #4463618 |
Master  6834      Englewood, Florida |  Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSEDAsalzwed - 2012-10-22 1:37 PM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:35 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 11:09 AM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM I've been contemplating getting a HRM for my HIM training. I've always use RPE but see a lot of people gauging their training and their race effort by HRM. Pod-thoughts? Well you probably know my response. I think it is much more important getting a grasp on efforts WITHOUT a HRM. But that's just me I've thought about that as I contemplated. But you are so good at reading your effort level and listening to your body. I worry that I either let myself off too easy, or go out too hard and have to stop. I also wonder about pushing harder on the bike. I'm only good because I practice it. Seriously. And I'm not because I don't listen to me. I'm working on that as well. I think people have been running for years and years. Without any electronic help, just running and doing it well. While HRM's have a place in training, I'm not sold on them being necessary or even helpful for 85% of athletes. Again, take it for what it's worth, you've read my RR's. I have a long way to go before I am someone anyone should listen to. |
| 2012-10-22 1:16 PM in reply to: #4458563 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Ah Allen, so glad you are back. Whom else would call me a trout in my race report. |
| 2012-10-22 1:25 PM in reply to: #4463716 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-23 2:16 AM Ah Allen, so glad you are back. Whom else would call me a trout in my race report. STUFFED FISH! BA HA HA HA HA! Everyone needs a little frogness in the life. |
| 2012-10-22 1:30 PM in reply to: #4463675 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED cdban66 - 2012-10-23 2:00 AM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 1:37 PM And I'm not because I don't listen to me. I'm working on that as well. I think people have been running for years and years. Without any electronic help, just running and doing it well. While HRM's have a place in training, I'm not sold on them being necessary or even helpful for 85% of athletes. Again, take it for what it's worth, you've read my RR's. I have a long way to go before I am someone anyone should listen to.rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:35 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 11:09 AM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM I've been contemplating getting a HRM for my HIM training. I've always use RPE but see a lot of people gauging their training and their race effort by HRM. Pod-thoughts? Well you probably know my response. I think it is much more important getting a grasp on efforts WITHOUT a HRM. But that's just me I've thought about that as I contemplated. But you are so good at reading your effort level and listening to your body. I worry that I either let myself off too easy, or go out too hard and have to stop. I also wonder about pushing harder on the bike. I'm only good because I practice it. Seriously. It's a fun toy and if you have the time and willingness to go through the barfage of replicable time trials (repeated times) to establish your heart rate zones, it can be useful too. That said, they're not necessary at all. And they're not going to be particularly useful unless you really do the TTs under strict guidelines, the same way every time, AND you're following a plan written by someone who's very knowledgeable not just about training, but heart-rate training specifically. In my personal opinion, that would already exclude Fink and Friel. That includes the authors of some of the HR-based plans on this site, but not others. |
| 2012-10-22 1:35 PM in reply to: #4463753 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:30 PM cdban66 - 2012-10-23 2:00 AM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 1:37 PM And I'm not because I don't listen to me. I'm working on that as well. I think people have been running for years and years. Without any electronic help, just running and doing it well. While HRM's have a place in training, I'm not sold on them being necessary or even helpful for 85% of athletes. Again, take it for what it's worth, you've read my RR's. I have a long way to go before I am someone anyone should listen to.rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:35 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 11:09 AM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM I've been contemplating getting a HRM for my HIM training. I've always use RPE but see a lot of people gauging their training and their race effort by HRM. Pod-thoughts? Well you probably know my response. I think it is much more important getting a grasp on efforts WITHOUT a HRM. But that's just me I've thought about that as I contemplated. But you are so good at reading your effort level and listening to your body. I worry that I either let myself off too easy, or go out too hard and have to stop. I also wonder about pushing harder on the bike. I'm only good because I practice it. Seriously. It's a fun toy and if you have the time and willingness to go through the barfage of replicable time trials (repeated times) to establish your heart rate zones, it can be useful too. That said, they're not necessary at all. And they're not going to be particularly useful unless you really do the TTs under strict guidelines, the same way every time, AND you're following a plan written by someone who's very knowledgeable not just about training, but heart-rate training specifically. In my personal opinion, that would already exclude Fink and Friel. That includes the authors of some of the HR-based plans on this site, but not others. I have another question/comment. So, you have to go through the time trials (multiple I'm assuming, for accuracy) to establish your zones but how do you take into account for fitness gains? I assume you have to go through the trials again to re-establish them. How often do you have to do this? |
| 2012-10-22 1:37 PM in reply to: #4461770 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED rrrunner - 2012-10-21 3:18 AM Well I added a new ride to my stable. Needs lots of love. Previous owner barely rode it but left it out in the elements. Got a once over by a bike mechanic this morning and he said looks good just needs a good cleaning. He cleaned and adjusted the brake and shift cables for me. Pretty good score for $60 on Craigslist NEED MO' T.I.T.S. !!! We always need mo' ?T.I.T.S. Great find and great pic! It looks like my WSD MTB. Purple and white. Can't go wrong, on colours alone |
Enjoy!| 2012-10-22 1:41 PM in reply to: #4463767 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-23 2:35 AM TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:30 PM cdban66 - 2012-10-23 2:00 AM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 1:37 PM And I'm not because I don't listen to me. I'm working on that as well. I think people have been running for years and years. Without any electronic help, just running and doing it well. While HRM's have a place in training, I'm not sold on them being necessary or even helpful for 85% of athletes. Again, take it for what it's worth, you've read my RR's. I have a long way to go before I am someone anyone should listen to.rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:35 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 11:09 AM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM I've been contemplating getting a HRM for my HIM training. I've always use RPE but see a lot of people gauging their training and their race effort by HRM. Pod-thoughts? Well you probably know my response. I think it is much more important getting a grasp on efforts WITHOUT a HRM. But that's just me I've thought about that as I contemplated. But you are so good at reading your effort level and listening to your body. I worry that I either let myself off too easy, or go out too hard and have to stop. I also wonder about pushing harder on the bike. I'm only good because I practice it. Seriously. It's a fun toy and if you have the time and willingness to go through the barfage of replicable time trials (repeated times) to establish your heart rate zones, it can be useful too. That said, they're not necessary at all. And they're not going to be particularly useful unless you really do the TTs under strict guidelines, the same way every time, AND you're following a plan written by someone who's very knowledgeable not just about training, but heart-rate training specifically. In my personal opinion, that would already exclude Fink and Friel. That includes the authors of some of the HR-based plans on this site, but not others. I have another question/comment. So, you have to go through the time trials (multiple I'm assuming, for accuracy) to establish your zones but how do you take into account for fitness gains? I assume you have to go through the trials again to re-establish them. How often do you have to do this? Depends, but it seems to be every 2-3 mos of active training or so. Yes, folks can use 5K races (for example) for the run bit, but unless it's the exact same course/weather every time ... or extremely similar ... and just in my opinion, it's really hard to push yourself that hard in not-a-race setting. And there's no way to really make sure you ARE pushing yourself just as hard as you were the time before, at every moment. Just my random opinion. I'm really neither for nor against HRT. But equipment failures can and do happen, particularly so with HRMs, so yeah, you really need to be developing RPE regardless. |
| 2012-10-22 1:47 PM in reply to: #4463609 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED rrrunner - 2012-10-22 1:35 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 11:09 AM rrrunner - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM I've been contemplating getting a HRM for my HIM training. I've always use RPE but see a lot of people gauging their training and their race effort by HRM. Pod-thoughts? Well you probably know my response. I think it is much more important getting a grasp on efforts WITHOUT a HRM. But that's just me I've thought about that as I contemplated. But you are so good at reading your effort level and listening to your body. I worry that I either let myself off too easy, or go out too hard and have to stop. I also wonder about pushing harder on the bike. I find it to be useful. This was especially true when I first established my zones. I found that my run was too hard and my ride verged on too easy. It's also useful to make sure that an easy ride is easy enough and doesn't just seem that way because you aren't chasing or whatever. It was also important for me to understand that for most of my training, we are looking for the average to be in zone. Anyway, as other's have said, YMMV. For me, I think that it's been a good tool. |
| 2012-10-22 1:54 PM in reply to: #4458563 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED |
| 2012-10-22 1:58 PM in reply to: #4458563 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED SALTY! Spiglet is pimping you out in Fred's mentor thread. Thought I'd give you the heads up ... so. How was the pineapple? |
| 2012-10-22 2:00 PM in reply to: #4463825 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:58 PM SALTY! Spiglet is pimping you out in Fred's mentor thread. Thought I'd give you the heads up ... so. How was the pineapple? Spiglet is pimping me out? I thought only you did that! I blame Allen with the whole trout rumor he be spreadin' |
| 2012-10-22 2:01 PM in reply to: #4463767 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Pardon for dropping in It's a fun toy and if you have the time and willingness to go through the barfage of replicable time trials (repeated times) to establish your heart rate zones, it can be useful too. That said, they're not necessary at all. And they're not going to be particularly useful unless you really do the TTs under strict guidelines, the same way every time, AND you're following a plan written by someone who's very knowledgeable not just about training, but heart-rate training specifically. In my personal opinion, that would already exclude Fink and Friel. That includes the authors of some of the HR-based plans on this site, but not others. I use my HRM as a guideline more than an exacting set of zones. RPE-wise, I can certainly tell you if I'm in Z4. But drifting from Z2 to Z3... not so much. HRM gives me an idea where I am, but it doesn't have to be precise.
I have another question/comment. So, you have to go through the time trials (multiple I'm assuming, for accuracy) to establish your zones but how do you take into account for fitness gains? I assume you have to go through the trials again to re-establish them. How often do you have to do this? To this: re-testing is far more important with a power meter on the bike, since the fitness gains you make will directly translate to higher power numbers. HRM, not so much. Age will affect it and fitness a little bit. But over the course of, say, a year - you probably won't see too much change in your results regardless of how much faster you get. Provided you did a proper test the first time around. *when you say zones, I assume you meant heart rate zones, not pace zones. |
| 2012-10-22 2:05 PM in reply to: #4463836 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED spudone - 2012-10-22 2:01 PM Pardon for dropping in It's a fun toy and if you have the time and willingness to go through the barfage of replicable time trials (repeated times) to establish your heart rate zones, it can be useful too. That said, they're not necessary at all. And they're not going to be particularly useful unless you really do the TTs under strict guidelines, the same way every time, AND you're following a plan written by someone who's very knowledgeable not just about training, but heart-rate training specifically. In my personal opinion, that would already exclude Fink and Friel. That includes the authors of some of the HR-based plans on this site, but not others. I use my HRM as a guideline more than an exacting set of zones. RPE-wise, I can certainly tell you if I'm in Z4. But drifting from Z2 to Z3... not so much. HRM gives me an idea where I am, but it doesn't have to be precise.
I have another question/comment. So, you have to go through the time trials (multiple I'm assuming, for accuracy) to establish your zones but how do you take into account for fitness gains? I assume you have to go through the trials again to re-establish them. How often do you have to do this? To this: re-testing is far more important with a power meter on the bike, since the fitness gains you make will directly translate to higher power numbers. HRM, not so much. Age will affect it and fitness a little bit. But over the course of, say, a year - you probably won't see too much change in your results regardless of how much faster you get. Provided you did a proper test the first time around. *when you say zones, I assume you meant heart rate zones, not pace zones. Yeah, I meant hear rate zones. Very interesting! I'm also in the no opinion camp. I would never use one but that is, among a slew of other things, my personal choice and I don't think everything works for everyone. |
| 2012-10-22 2:07 PM in reply to: #4458563 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Back from New Zealand - what an inspirational weekend. Highlight (so wrong) was the amount of sprint agegrouper triathletes representing their country, that when trying their new flying mount move - got it so wrong and went down. And don't get me started on the dismount - we needed Benny Hill music to accompany the number of crashes - some looked nasty but everyone got up with the exception of one Aussie young chick - who quite honestly looked like she just banged her toe a bit - she was such a princess! Lots of laughs and the will to get out there and do this - I always go one of two ways at races - I either say - oh heck I'm cr*p at this give it up - or (this time's result) I want to be as good as these people! Today I got a lunchtime run planned and some T.I.T.S probably on the drainer tonight. oh and for at least a week 5 x |
| 2012-10-22 2:14 PM in reply to: #4458563 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED I have used mine off and on. Longer distance, I tend to use it, shorter I tend to ignore it. Mixed bag = me. Oly 2 summers ago was a PR in all 3 disciplines and I didn't use any electronics whatsoever. IM Canada I used HR on the run and power on the bike no problem. IMWA all my HR stuff failed but I was able to somewhat gauge my run by my pace. Since my injury I've been using the HRM (when I actually run) as a check on myself to stay at levels that my doctor wants. It's like any other tool... it provides useful info if you know how to use it, but electronics can and do fail. Be prepared to run w/o one. |
| 2012-10-22 2:35 PM in reply to: #4463811 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! Edited by jmkizer 2012-10-22 2:35 PM |
| 2012-10-22 2:46 PM in reply to: #4463909 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:35 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! That's obnoxious. Where exactly does your bike go in the event of a totaling? |
| 2012-10-22 2:50 PM in reply to: #4463941 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 3:46 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:35 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! That's obnoxious. Where exactly does your bike go in the event of a totaling? I think that the whole thing goes to Trek so that they can wreck it. I think that the idea is that they don't want wonky frames with their name floating around out there. |
| 2012-10-22 2:52 PM in reply to: #4463831 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:58 PM SALTY! Spiglet is pimping you out in Fred's mentor thread. Thought I'd give you the heads up ... so. How was the pineapple? Spiglet is pimping me out? I thought only you did that! I blame Allen with the whole trout rumor he be spreadin' I don't have a pace worth discussing at the moment so I have to share yours. |
| 2012-10-22 2:53 PM in reply to: #4463948 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:50 PM Makes sense. Anyone wanna go dumpster diving at Trek? I'm looking for some wheels ... Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 3:46 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:35 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! That's obnoxious. Where exactly does your bike go in the event of a totaling? I think that the whole thing goes to Trek so that they can wreck it. I think that the idea is that they don't want wonky frames with their name floating around out there.  |
| 2012-10-22 2:54 PM in reply to: #4463953 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED spudone - 2012-10-22 2:52 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:58 PM SALTY! Spiglet is pimping you out in Fred's mentor thread. Thought I'd give you the heads up ... so. How was the pineapple? Spiglet is pimping me out? I thought only you did that! I blame Allen with the whole trout rumor he be spreadin' I don't have a pace worth discussing at the moment so I have to share yours. Fine by me I've gotten feedback at work stating, literally, that I don't "toot my own horn enough" |
| 2012-10-22 2:58 PM in reply to: #4463954 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 12:53 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:50 PM Makes sense. Anyone wanna go dumpster diving at Trek? I'm looking for some wheels ... Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 3:46 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:35 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! That's obnoxious. Where exactly does your bike go in the event of a totaling? I think that the whole thing goes to Trek so that they can wreck it. I think that the idea is that they don't want wonky frames with their name floating around out there. I think I should ask them for a sponsorship since apparently they have an opening on their roster |
| 2012-10-22 2:58 PM in reply to: #4463958 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2012-10-23 3:54 AM spudone - 2012-10-22 2:52 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 12:00 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 1:58 PM SALTY! Spiglet is pimping you out in Fred's mentor thread. Thought I'd give you the heads up ... so. How was the pineapple? Spiglet is pimping me out? I thought only you did that! I blame Allen with the whole trout rumor he be spreadin' I don't have a pace worth discussing at the moment so I have to share yours. Fine by me I've gotten feedback at work stating, literally, that I don't "toot my own horn enough" Oh, I'll toot your horns. And anything else that needs a-tootin'. Wrong thread again? |
| 2012-10-22 2:59 PM in reply to: #4463964 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED spudone - 2012-10-22 2:58 PM Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 12:53 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:50 PM Makes sense. Anyone wanna go dumpster diving at Trek? I'm looking for some wheels ... Asalzwed - 2012-10-22 3:46 PM jmkizer - 2012-10-22 2:35 PM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! That's obnoxious. Where exactly does your bike go in the event of a totaling? I think that the whole thing goes to Trek so that they can wreck it. I think that the idea is that they don't want wonky frames with their name floating around out there. I think I should ask them for a sponsorship since apparently they have an opening on their roster Fine. Take the high road. I'll be in the trash can in the back. Don't use the compactor. |
| 2012-10-22 3:00 PM in reply to: #4463909 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Yanti & Salty Beyond Ridiculous Manatees PART 6--CLOSED jmkizer - 2012-10-23 3:35 AM TriAya - 2012-10-22 2:54 PM HI JANYNE! How are you doing? Is the un-gimping coming along okay? Bike back yet? I'm doing OK, the bike was declared totaled due to gouges in the carbon blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time with it because they are taking my Kysriums too. I guess I am supposed to look at it like I get a new bike and new wheels for the cost of new wheels but it's not feeling that way right now. This was not going to be a 2012 purchase! WAH! That sucks. Adding insult to injury ... literally. |
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