Yanti & Salty Straight-Up Ridiculous Manatees Part 5 - FULL (Page 75)

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 6:53 AM Too many ducks so little time. Woah, don't say that one too fast 

Well. Eff-a-duck.

Okay. Totally random Yanti self-obsessed thought time (oh wait, that's not random and that's not a specific time, it's all the time).

In an inspire, someone said I'll probably outlive everyone despite always having these crazy illnesses.

I just realized that my dad is turning 83 in a couple of weeks and he's literally had one life-threatening, hospitalizing episode (illnesses, injuries, infections, everything in between) after another since he was my age, so almost 50 years.

AAAAAAAH DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET THAT BE ME

Hm. So maybe God, whomever or however God may be, is trying to tell me something. And it's probably not that I won't die until I'm a thorough curmudgeon believing I've got complete control of the universe and everyone in it.

I've watched my dad horribly mismanage all of his illnesses (chronic and acute emergent episodes), cherry-pick doctors AND cherry-pick from what they tell him, and exacerbate his conditions time and time again.

This is all sounding horribly familiar.

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:03 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 6:53 AM Too many ducks so little time. Woah, don't say that one too fast 

Well. Eff-a-duck.

Okay. Totally random Yanti self-obsessed thought time (oh wait, that's not random and that's not a specific time, it's all the time).

In an inspire, someone said I'll probably outlive everyone despite always having these crazy illnesses.

I just realized that my dad is turning 83 in a couple of weeks and he's literally had one life-threatening, hospitalizing episode (illnesses, injuries, infections, everything in between) after another since he was my age, so almost 50 years.

AAAAAAAH DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET THAT BE ME

Hm. So maybe God, whomever or however God may be, is trying to tell me something. And it's probably not that I won't die until I'm a thorough curmudgeon believing I've got complete control of the universe and everyone in it.

I've watched my dad horribly mismanage all of his illnesses (chronic and acute emergent episodes), cherry-pick doctors AND cherry-pick from what they tell him, and exacerbate his conditions time and time again.

This is all sounding horribly familiar.

DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!

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Well. Eff-a-duck.

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

bcraht - 2012-10-16 9:07 AM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

My thoughts exactly - !!!!

bcraht - 2012-10-16 7:07 AM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

Yeah ... notice how I didn't even bother to respond to that?

bcraht - 2012-10-15 6:07 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

Well, I'll first take that as a compliment, so, thank you! 

Second, I'd challenge anyone to work as hard as I do and not see some rather dramatic results. NOT that I am criticizing anyone else. I choose to make the sacrifices that I do to train the way I do and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. But I AM curious.  Or maybe I am more 'naturally' talented than I give myself gene pool credit for for. I very well could be completely wrong, too and am certainly not claiming to have the answers. 

melbo55 - 2012-10-15 1:14 PM Finally, the ol' race report is finally prepared for your reading pleasure. Grab a snack and a drink and enjoy! Oh, and I posted a video at the end, in which I show up around 6:56-6:57 with my finish, but truly the whole video is worth watching. It shows what Team Fight and the Ulman Cancer Fund are all about. And there's also a guy you may recognize in there who is a cancer survivor who did very well in the half distance race

Mel - great RR - thanks so much for sharing!  You are SO AWESOME!!

bcraht - 2012-10-15 1:46 PM

melbo55 - 2012-10-15 11:14 AM Finally, the ol' race report is finally prepared for your reading pleasure. Grab a snack and a drink and enjoy! Oh, and I posted a video at the end, in which I show up around 6:56-6:57 with my finish, but truly the whole video is worth watching. It shows what Team Fight and the Ulman Cancer Fund are all about. And there's also a guy you may recognize in there who is a cancer survivor who did very well in the half distance race

Mel, I just skimmed so far (I am at work, and will read more thoroughly later), but wanted to say that you got 1st in my book.  Anytime you put people before placement you deserve huge kudos.  Congratulations!

I totally second this.  You're #1, Mel!

Yant, you are a jack (but we LOVE you for it!) and I totally agree with bolded statement.  Your schedule is totally full of SBR - when I'm following a program for long course training, I skip the strength.

Uh, APPARENTLY!!  Jeez, Salt, must be alot of HOT genes in your fam! You're all YUM!

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 7:21 AM

bcraht - 2012-10-15 6:07 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

Well, I'll first take that as a compliment, so, thank you! 

Second, I'd challenge anyone to work as hard as I do and not see some rather dramatic results. NOT that I am criticizing anyone else. I choose to make the sacrifices that I do to train the way I do and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. But I AM curious.  Or maybe I am more 'naturally' talented than I give myself gene pool credit for for. I very well could be completely wrong, too and am certainly not claiming to have the answers. 

 

It's not whether you do or don't have natural ability. At this point, that's beside the point. (And yes, I'm looking up another couple of good points for you).

Clearly, you have enough natural "ability" or "physiology" or "resilience" or whatever you want to call it to put in the kind of training that you do, and you really haven't even started yet (don't take that the wrong way--that's a call on where you are along the timeline, not regarding how much work you've done, which is exactly what actually makes this discussion beside the point).

I can't remember if I made this point here or not, but closely watching the Olympic marathoners, this was true of all of them (although I'd say the women even more so): I was astonished by the range of body types and running styles among them, even among the top 10 or so.

There may be such a thing as "natural ability," but it looks to me that past a certain point--and you're way past that point, I think that point being are you structurally sound, healthy and tend to stay that way, relatively young and can you run in a straight line as well as around some bends and up and down hills--it just doesn't matter.

It *might* matter if you wanted to WIN *the* Olympic marathon (or London or Boston, for example), but even then, there just wouldn't be any way to assess or address "natural ability."

Yanti, I'm totally not copying you but wanted to share my (similar) opinion.  When you follow fink's plan for IM distance, trust me, you will find that you're core WILL be strengthened, just from the SBR workouts you're doing - especially swim and run.  If you want to further strengthen you're core, It doesn't take much - what Yanti suggested above.  Everyone is different though, so do what works for you, but when I IM train, I don't strength or core train.  Off season (or 'other' season as it may be...) is another thing - I do strength and core work, but during IM, because the time/volume is so high and because I'm getting strong by SBR, I don't.  Sorry to ramble, hope it makes sense.  Over all - you do what you feel is right for you, but don't feel that you wont be core strong if you decide to not do it.

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

Wow

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 4:21 PM

bcraht - 2012-10-15 6:07 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-15 2:28 PM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 4:12 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 4:56 AM

TriAya - 2012-10-15 2:39 PM

Asalzwed - 2012-10-16 1:38 AM annnnd I  surpassed 2,000 miles over the weekend for 2012. I don't put too much emphasis on numbers like these but, I like to acknowledge the "milestone" 

I clearly suck at basic math, but even I know that's a cross-continent's worth of miles. That's truly stunning. You're the most consistent runner I know, and I know a runner or two.

So ... what do you think my limiter is? Is it ability? Is it experience? Or do you think there is something I am not doing to find my potential? 

Not a thing you could be doing better, differently, or additionally. It was time to add some very challenging people and running intensities, and you've done that. Some would argue metrics, because admittedly, those constitute closely controlled, highly repeatable, discrete evidence of progress and to some extent the effectiveness of whatever changes you're making. But I still think your relative lack of them is actually one of your strengths.

Experience is an obvious limiter with an obvious solution that you're implementing.

You are extremely smart about yourself and understand yourself as a running creation like very, very few know themselves ... and as not a soul but you knows you.

What do you think your limiter is?

Well, I hope it's experience, but maybe natural ability.

I'm trying to figure out how to go forward now that I have some rough numbers. I'm perhaps being impatient and hard on myself. 

Doooood, seriously? 

Well, I'll first take that as a compliment, so, thank you! 

Second, I'd challenge anyone to work as hard as I do and not see some rather dramatic results. NOT that I am criticizing anyone else. I choose to make the sacrifices that I do to train the way I do and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. But I AM curious.  Or maybe I am more 'naturally' talented than I give myself gene pool credit for for. I very well could be completely wrong, too and am certainly not claiming to have the answers. 

Well, I can pretty much guarantee you that even if I was physically able to do the mileage you do (no chance, my body would break down), I don't think I could go that fast.  So you do for sure have natural ability that some of us don't.  Didn't you BQ without any training last year?  Like decided on a whim to do a marathon cause you won race entry?  THAT is natural ability!!!  That, combined with the work you put in, puts you a cut above.

JO! WAY TO GO! I've had days like that to: 'ahhh, sheeeit, I don't want to go...' then somehow, scrap up the motivation and it turns out to be the best workout ever!  What a reward for your consistency!! NICE!!

that is an incredible schedule - there is no way a 'normal' person could handle that for the duration of marathon training. 

It's been very interesting reading you and yanti's conversation and I get the idea of a goal, but not wanting to chase numbers.  but salt (and forgive my ignorance), you're at a level that many people never achieve. You're at the top of the spectrum both self motivated training wise and speed wise...  Maybe one of your goals should be a time goal??  it's quantifiable...you can easily track it... idk...just thinking out loud.  I'm really interested in following your progress and am totally impressed with your level of drive, so just though I'd chime in about this goal stuff...  It's been a long time since I've been in the top 5% of anything (but i was in HS and our local college division down hill ski racing) and it really helped to have my coaches sit with me and write goals and then meet throughout the season to evaluate progress...maybe talk to your track coach about this??   and I may be WAY off here, but ultimately, what is your long term goal... - to win XXX race? or to enjoy running?  those are two really extreem examples, but I think it shows that there is definately 2 different roads you could travel with this goal thing...once you decide which road you're headed down, maybe it'll help you narrow your goal focus...?

Seriously, sorry if i'm steppin in on something I don't know too much about, but this 'goal' thing you're going through hit's close to home (obviously i have different goals though...).   i really struggle to set, but then strive off meeting the goals i have set... i've learned my live works WAY better when i have solid goals and am working toward them wether it's athletic or otherwise... 

ok, enough rambling... sorry

To me, the "BS" is how I get to know you all a little better.  Creates a connection, which to me, allows much more support between members.  I have gotten some of the best gems from the chitter chat and musings...

Yo. Salty. And anyone else who likes a yummy piglet.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Lifestyle/Kona_2012_-_bike_check-in_3157.html

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TriRx - 2012-10-16 9:22 AM

bcraht - 2012-10-15 1:46 PM

melbo55 - 2012-10-15 11:14 AM Finally, the ol' race report is finally prepared for your reading pleasure. Grab a snack and a drink and enjoy! Oh, and I posted a video at the end, in which I show up around 6:56-6:57 with my finish, but truly the whole video is worth watching. It shows what Team Fight and the Ulman Cancer Fund are all about. And there's also a guy you may recognize in there who is a cancer survivor who did very well in the half distance race

Mel, I just skimmed so far (I am at work, and will read more thoroughly later), but wanted to say that you got 1st in my book.  Anytime you put people before placement you deserve huge kudos.  Congratulations!

I totally second this.  You're #1, Mel!

Loved it, cried at work - watched the video, cried some more, declared undying love for Lance - I don't give a damn about his past, I just love him.  There, it's said.

Hey all you wonderful manatees! I haven't been around much, thanks to school, work, and making halloween costumes....I am still in the midst of all three, but am taking time in class (its all good, the prof. is going over the test he gave back--really, the class is not one where we will see this info again....why go over it? I know what I got --it was a good grade, yay me---lets move on) to check in. I need to read everybody's various RRs, but it might be awhile.

As for me, like I said, work, classes, costumes(one wolverine for a coworker, one generic monster for me!---pics to come later.) As for physical activity...its been hit or miss, some working out, but not as much as I should or as much as I would like to. Annnnnnd, I found another race I want to do...November 4--an 8.3 mile run at Apple Hill (faboo place with apples and farms and fun!!)---go figure, me--doing a 8+ mile run!!! If I can get the day off, I will do this! and then the Spartan Beast 2 weeks after (that one's definite!)  

whoops, back to class now....

Work's been crazy and my training volume has been at its highest, so I haven't had a chance to follow and/or post here in a bit.  I've read only a portion of the missed posts, but see that as usual we've had a very busy pod.  Congrats to all the manatees who raced the past weekend or totally rocked the whole goalie thing.  And Salty, wow, that is some crazy mileage! Just how many pairs of running shoes have you gone through anyway?!

Sorry for everything I've left out