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2010-06-29 9:39 PM
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PennState - 2010-06-29 2:49 PM Got a nice run in this am. Anyone else training today?


Had a great ride tonight, solo ride, averaged 21.1 MPH for almost 34 miles.  Best for me to date.  Perfect weather, cool and light winds.

I have to wonder if me riding with a friend this weekend, and going about 2 MPH slower on my long ride had something to do with it?  I rode the IMWI course, stick and one of two loops.   Riding slower kept me in zone 2 the entire ride, it might be good for me to not push on most rides but to really focus on slowing down to go faster.  I generally abide by this when running, but it is very difficult to do for me when biking.
 


2010-06-29 9:52 PM
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PennState - 2010-06-28 7:58 PM btw we have to have a meet up at some point in LP for Josh, Sara, dylan and myself. I will probably swim in the am's and will ride the new course addition as well.


Sounds good! I'll try not to be too intimidated by your speedy azzes! 
2010-06-29 11:37 PM
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furiousferret - 2010-06-29 7:21 PM 2 mile run this morning. 

What are peoples opinions on the early morning empty stomach workout? 

I'm planning on slowly building up my run volume by doing lots of frequency but low volume, 2 miles a day, 6 days a week.  Then I'll push it to 3, and after that I'll have to break it apart some.



I have to eat beforehand, even if I'm getting up and working out really early. If I don't I get dizzy. I usually have a Larabar before going to the pool and if I'm running in the morning I'll either have a banana or a few Shot Blocks just to get something small in my stomach. Then when I get home afterward I'll have my normal breakfast.

I always eat a little something before my workouts, be they either morning or evening and I tend to keep what I eat before each type of workout consistent regardless of what time it is. 
2010-06-30 12:55 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys, I think that it'll be fine until I go over 40 minutes, after that I may have to eat.  Part of my intention is for weight loss; its real hard right now to keep my weight down because it seems like there is at least one social event every weekend.

I almost DIED yesterday!  I was hammering at about 20 mph on the trail, hit a turn, and a rattlesnake was bathing accross the concrete.  I tried to avoid him but I nicked his tail where the rattles are and though for sure I was going to get bit.  He just wanted out of the way.  Second rattlesnake incident this week (last time I stopped and moved it off the pavement so it wouldn't get ran over by cars).

Okay, I'll stop being overly dramatic.



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2010-06-30 6:08 AM
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furiousferret - 2010-06-29 10:21 PM

I'm planning on slowly building up my run volume by doing lots of frequency but low volume, 2 miles a day, 6 days a week.  Then I'll push it to 3, and after that I'll have to break it apart some.



IMHO this is SUCH A SMART way to build run volume.  So many people get injured on 3x week with a long run of a disproprtionately large percentage of their total volume.  You'll be adding the same amount of volume, for the same amount of total weekly mileage... but you'll barely feel fatigued at all and will have minimal recovery needs, therby allowing every workout to be a quality workout.  The 3x wk runner (and some of us are bound to that by scheduling so I'm not necessarily bashing it, just saying I don't think it's ideal) will have significant recovery needs as their volume builds.

Plus - nearly every schedule has room for a 2-3 mile run if you make it a priority.  Not all schedules have time for a 7 mile run.

PS - that's pretty much exactly how I built my run from couch potato a year ago (after a 3 month recovery from a bike crash) to 50+ mpw right now.
2010-06-30 7:49 AM
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furiousferret - 2010-06-30 1:55 AM Thanks for the advice guys, I think that it'll be fine until I go over 40 minutes, after that I may have to eat.  Part of my intention is for weight loss; its real hard right now to keep my weight down because it seems like there is at least one social event every weekend.

I almost DIED yesterday!  I was hammering at about 20 mph on the trail, hit a turn, and a rattlesnake was bathing accross the concrete.  I tried to avoid him but I nicked his tail where the rattles are and though for sure I was going to get bit.  He just wanted out of the way.  Second rattlesnake incident this week (last time I stopped and moved it off the pavement so it wouldn't get ran over by cars).

Okay, I'll stop being overly dramatic.

Ok, heres the rules.  No talking about rattlesnakes when I am in the same state as you!

Did you have your HR monitor on?  That certainly would have spiked for me!!

You'll know after a run or 2 what works for you.  It doesn't take much to add a little gel or something if you find you are struggling.  I struggle with the after work stuff, even when I've snacked in preperation.  People cooking out and the smells make it tough.



2010-06-30 8:54 AM
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JoshKaptur - 2010-06-30 4:08 AM
furiousferret - 2010-06-29 10:21 PM

I'm planning on slowly building up my run volume by doing lots of frequency but low volume, 2 miles a day, 6 days a week.  Then I'll push it to 3, and after that I'll have to break it apart some.



IMHO this is SUCH A SMART way to build run volume.  So many people get injured on 3x week with a long run of a disproprtionately large percentage of their total volume.  You'll be adding the same amount of volume, for the same amount of total weekly mileage... but you'll barely feel fatigued at all and will have minimal recovery needs, therby allowing every workout to be a quality workout.  The 3x wk runner (and some of us are bound to that by scheduling so I'm not necessarily bashing it, just saying I don't think it's ideal) will have significant recovery needs as their volume builds.

Plus - nearly every schedule has room for a 2-3 mile run if you make it a priority.  Not all schedules have time for a 7 mile run.

PS - that's pretty much exactly how I built my run from couch potato a year ago (after a 3 month recovery from a bike crash) to 50+ mpw right now.


Thanks, one of the reasons I went this route was injury prevention; the other was BarryP, who is a poster on slowtwitch that preaches frequency (and people swear by it). 
2010-06-30 10:12 AM
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furiousferret - 2010-06-30 9:54 AM
JoshKaptur - 2010-06-30 4:08 AM
furiousferret - 2010-06-29 10:21 PM

I'm planning on slowly building up my run volume by doing lots of frequency but low volume, 2 miles a day, 6 days a week.  Then I'll push it to 3, and after that I'll have to break it apart some.



IMHO this is SUCH A SMART way to build run volume.  So many people get injured on 3x week with a long run of a disproprtionately large percentage of their total volume.  You'll be adding the same amount of volume, for the same amount of total weekly mileage... but you'll barely feel fatigued at all and will have minimal recovery needs, therby allowing every workout to be a quality workout.  The 3x wk runner (and some of us are bound to that by scheduling so I'm not necessarily bashing it, just saying I don't think it's ideal) will have significant recovery needs as their volume builds.

Plus - nearly every schedule has room for a 2-3 mile run if you make it a priority.  Not all schedules have time for a 7 mile run.

PS - that's pretty much exactly how I built my run from couch potato a year ago (after a 3 month recovery from a bike crash) to 50+ mpw right now.


Thanks, one of the reasons I went this route was injury prevention; the other was BarryP, who is a poster on slowtwitch that preaches frequency (and people swear by it). 


Exposure to BarryP's articles was probably the single biggest influence in my training philosophy this year.
2010-06-30 10:14 AM
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furiousferret - 2010-06-30 1:55 AM Thanks for the advice guys, I think that it'll be fine until I go over 40 minutes, after that I may have to eat.  Part of my intention is for weight loss; its real hard right now to keep my weight down because it seems like there is at least one social event every weekend.

I almost DIED yesterday!  I was hammering at about 20 mph on the trail, hit a turn, and a rattlesnake was bathing accross the concrete.  I tried to avoid him but I nicked his tail where the rattles are and though for sure I was going to get bit.  He just wanted out of the way.  Second rattlesnake incident this week (last time I stopped and moved it off the pavement so it wouldn't get ran over by cars).

Okay, I'll stop being overly dramatic.



I once was a huge reptile geek, having all sorts of lizards and snakes and turtles and frogs.  I even contemplated herpetology (study of reptiles/amphibians) as a major in college, until common sense prevailed since I wanted to work after I got out of college.  Anyway, I'm here to affirm thatyou are being melodramatic.  Not that I'd want to get bit by a rattlesnake either, but the bites rarely result in death with proper treatment... just excruciating pain, swelling, necrosis, etc.
2010-06-30 11:27 AM
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I hope to get to the bike shop today and get a new tire and tube. I'll have to do an hour ride, 30 min run and 30 min swim today to get caught up on my training plan. I just want to get my bike ready to ride again.

I saw a baby rattler in the bike lane a couple of weeks back. I just wizzed by it at about 25 mph and it was probably as freaked as I was to see it. Being in Arizona though, we expect to see rattlers ever once in a while. I have only seen one scorpion the whole time I've lived here though (knock on wood).

I was hoping to get into the 180's this week for weight but then we went to California Pizza Kitchen last night and I ate a whole pizza. The 180's might have to wait for one more week.

@Josh - Wow...what volume. I'd be very tired.
2010-06-30 3:54 PM
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Hello All,
I need some advice. Due to complications from a dental procedure I had to have some dental surgery today which is going to keep me out of the water for awhile. I have a race next weekend (Olympic distance/July 11th) and maybe I will we able to swim once or twice before the race. Are there any swim specific exercises that I can do help minimize the loss of swim fitness?  I have swam very little in the last few weeks due to this dental mess and another week out of the water is only going to make things worse. I can get in the water but can't put my face in the water due to risk of further infection.  Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciatad.
Thanks!


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Kath2163 - 2010-06-30 2:54 PM Hello All,
I need some advice. Due to complications from a dental procedure I had to have some dental surgery today which is going to keep me out of the water for awhile. I have a race next weekend (Olympic distance/July 11th) and maybe I will we able to swim once or twice before the race. Are there any swim specific exercises that I can do help minimize the loss of swim fitness?  I have swam very little in the last few weeks due to this dental mess and another week out of the water is only going to make things worse. I can get in the water but can't put my face in the water due to risk of further infection.  Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciatad.
Thanks!


How about a rowing machine at the gym? 
2010-06-30 5:55 PM
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Kath2163 - 2010-06-30 1:54 PM Hello All,
I need some advice. Due to complications from a dental procedure I had to have some dental surgery today which is going to keep me out of the water for awhile. I have a race next weekend (Olympic distance/July 11th) and maybe I will we able to swim once or twice before the race. Are there any swim specific exercises that I can do help minimize the loss of swim fitness?  I have swam very little in the last few weeks due to this dental mess and another week out of the water is only going to make things worse. I can get in the water but can't put my face in the water due to risk of further infection.  Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciatad.
Thanks!


My coach has us use resistance bands sometimes before we swim to get our lats warmed up. Have someone else hold the bands out in front of you, put each end in one hand, bend at the waist and mimic the swim stroke using the bands. Hard to describe but it would look something like this, only you are bent at the waist and instead of the machine a person (or a doorknob) is holding the bands for you.

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2010-07-01 9:29 AM
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Great morning for a ride and I took advantage of it!!

Heading back to NY tonight for the holiday and last week of Musselman prep!!

2010-07-01 10:53 AM
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PennState - 2010-07-01 9:10 AM Quickie swim for me this am. Then on-call. What's the training for today team?


Bike commute morning (43 miles), run (4 miles) + swim (till I quit) later.
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Kath2163 - 2010-06-30 4:54 PM Hello All,
I need some advice. Due to complications from a dental procedure I had to have some dental surgery today which is going to keep me out of the water for awhile. I have a race next weekend (Olympic distance/July 11th) and maybe I will we able to swim once or twice before the race. Are there any swim specific exercises that I can do help minimize the loss of swim fitness?  I have swam very little in the last few weeks due to this dental mess and another week out of the water is only going to make things worse. I can get in the water but can't put my face in the water due to risk of further infection.  Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciatad.
Thanks!


Sorry to hear about that.
I would think anything like a rowing machine would help some at least.
I will do your swimming for you..if you do my running for me??
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I second anything to do with resistance bands... the instability helps mimic what your hand does to catch water.
2010-07-01 4:56 PM
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Did a 6 1/4 mile run this morning. This was the 2nd time I've done this long of a distance. The other was the Oly I did in April. I actually felt pretty good as the miles went on. I averaged 5 mph for the whole distance and I was fine with that. I would like to be running around 6+mph by my 1/2 IM in Oct.


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Great run. keep up the good work...stay healthy..and you got it!
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Thanks for the tips everyone!
2010-07-02 12:45 AM
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phxphotog - 2010-07-01 2:56 PM Did a 6 1/4 mile run this morning. This was the 2nd time I've done this long of a distance. The other was the Oly I did in April. I actually felt pretty good as the miles went on. I averaged 5 mph for the whole distance and I was fine with that. I would like to be running around 6+mph by my 1/2 IM in Oct.


You've come along way!  I think 6 mph is very attainable, I think you'll can even go faster than that, just be patient and don't rush things.
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Attended a running clinic on Wednesday (just over three weeks from IMLP) and tried incorporating the technique into my running and my knees hurt like a mother.  I was doing some squats in the pool today and my patella tracking is AWFUL! I have so much clicking and popping right now. Ugh. 

Needless to say, despite completely understanding the ideal biomechanics that we were preached at about, I gotta stick with my current running form. 

Tomorrow I'm doing a hilly 6 hour ride with a friend and we're aiming to do it as non-stop as possible then I start TAPERING on Monday!  Looking forward to the intensity.  I've got a sprint triathlon the week before Lake Placid and I need to wake up the fast twitch muscle fibers for that race.
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