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2011-05-03 2:58 PM
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I believe it would be John Boehner, not Nancy Pelosi. He is now the SOTH.
But you are still correct in that I would fear a Biden Presidency more than an Obama. I'm not sure he's all there.


2011-05-03 5:42 PM
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BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.

 

I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version?

tl;dw- Trump's actions emphasize how African-Americans will never be "legitimate" Americans. He isn't the best speaker; his words are important.

2011-05-03 6:30 PM
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Sooner Tri Guy - 2011-05-03 12:58 PM I believe it would be John Boehner, not Nancy Pelosi. He is now the SOTH. But you are still correct in that I would fear a Biden Presidency more than an Obama. I'm not sure he's all there.


Yeah, but when they started all this nonsense it would have been Pelosi.  So imagine President Pelosi with a Democrat-controlled House and Senate.  Did the birthers see that as a better alternative to Obama?
2011-05-03 6:35 PM
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I haven't read through the thread and, honestly, I really could care less about his birth certificate.

I'll simply say that of all the reasons Obama is unqualified to be president, the possibility that he may not be a US citizen is probably the least of them.

2011-05-03 6:54 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 6:42 PM
mrbbrad - 2011-05-02 3:27 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-04-29 6:57 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.

 

I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version?

tl;dw- Trump's actions emphasize how African-Americans will never be "legitimate" Americans. He isn't the best speaker; his words are important.

So they guy sees it through his own lens and makes a judgement of victimhood based on presumed prejudices.  If you want to see racism everywhere that is exactly what you will see.  If you presume everyone of a group is racist every action by any member of that group can be construed as being racist in some way.  This is the Al Sharpton modus operandi; if there is a black man and a white man involved it must be racism.   I don't find that particularly powerful.

2011-05-03 7:01 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 6:42 PM
mrbbrad - 2011-05-02 3:27 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-04-29 6:57 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.

 

I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version?

tl;dw- Trump's actions emphasize how African-Americans will never be "legitimate" Americans. He isn't the best speaker; his words are important.

So they guy sees it through his own lens and makes a judgement of victimhood based on presumed prejudices.  If you want to see racism everywhere that is exactly what you will see.  If you presume everyone of a group is racist every action by any member of that group can be construed as being racist in some way.  This is the Al Sharpton modus operandi; if there is a black man and a white man involved it must be racism.   I don't find that a particularly powerful argument.



2011-05-03 7:07 PM
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trinnas - 2011-05-03 6:54 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 6:42 PM
mrbbrad - 2011-05-02 3:27 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-04-29 6:57 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.

 

I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version?

tl;dw- Trump's actions emphasize how African-Americans will never be "legitimate" Americans. He isn't the best speaker; his words are important.

So they guy sees it through his own lens and makes a judgement of victimhood based on presumed prejudices.  If you want to see racism everywhere that is exactly what you will see.  If you presume everyone of a group is racist every action by any member of that group can be construed as being racist in some way.  This is the Al Sharpton modus operandi; if there is a black man and a white man involved it must be racism.   I don't find that particularly powerful.

Likewise, this is the reaction every time someone says anything about race. So either nothing is ever about racism or everything is always about racism. Ooooorrrr...secret answer c) sometimes, things are in fact racism.

 

2011-05-03 7:15 PM
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2011-05-03 7:18 PM
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What did I say there that was disagreeable? o_0

2011-05-03 7:33 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 8:07 PM
trinnas - 2011-05-03 6:54 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 6:42 PM
mrbbrad - 2011-05-02 3:27 PM
UWMadTri - 2011-04-29 6:57 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-29 11:59 AM and this is why it is a big deal... at least to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

Wow,powerful. Thanks for sharing.

 

I could only get through the first minute; not a very compelling or charismatic speaker. What's the Reader's Digest version?

tl;dw- Trump's actions emphasize how African-Americans will never be "legitimate" Americans. He isn't the best speaker; his words are important.

So they guy sees it through his own lens and makes a judgement of victimhood based on presumed prejudices.  If you want to see racism everywhere that is exactly what you will see.  If you presume everyone of a group is racist every action by any member of that group can be construed as being racist in some way.  This is the Al Sharpton modus operandi; if there is a black man and a white man involved it must be racism.   I don't find that particularly powerful.

Likewise, this is the reaction every time someone says anything about race. So either nothing is ever about racism or everything is always about racism. Ooooorrrr...secret answer c) sometimes, things are in fact racism.

 

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.



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2011-05-03 8:20 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-03 8:18 PM

What did I say there that was disagreeable? o_0

Nothing disagreeable about your post or you.

I just disagree with your premise.

ie; I hold a different opinion.



I still wanna know if they ever did any DNA testing to verify that his mom is his mother? ,,,,,, hang on I gotta grab a another beer and get some popcorn.
2011-05-04 9:03 AM
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trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.
2011-05-04 9:46 AM
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trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.

Treating someone differently because of their skin color/ancestral history.  That is racism.  This is not a case of that.

Claims of racism often fall prey to the old fallacy...

I hate all bananas.

Bananas are yellow.

I hate all yellow things.

2011-05-04 10:35 AM
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trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.

Treating someone differently because of their skin color/ancestral history.  That is racism.  This is not a case of that.

Claims of racism often fall prey to the old fallacy...

I hate all bananas.

Bananas are yellow.

I hate all yellow things.

 

Now hang on just a minute! Bananas are delicious!!!

2011-05-04 10:56 AM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-04 10:03 AM
trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.

You need to have a pattern of systematic behavior before you can judge something to be racist, one incident or occurence does not make for racism.  Though it may be racially motivated you do not have enough information to know one way or another.  A charge of racism is in this case just another form of personal attack unless you are prepared to back it up by showing Trump is a racist and has acted in racist ways in the past.  Presuming racism based on participating individuals race just because racism is hard to see is not a valid argument.



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2011-05-04 12:39 PM
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Very good points. As a white male, I don't have unique perspectives, so I would say that based on your argument, I have absolutely no say in calling this racism. And I would agree with that. The person making the video may have a different perspective which makes his point more valid. Perhaps not. I don't know.

Regardless, your points are well taken.

2011-05-04 12:42 PM
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TriRSquared - 2011-05-04 7:46 AM
UWMadTri - 2011-05-04 10:03 AM
trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.

Treating someone differently because of their skin color/ancestral history.  That is racism.  This is not a case of that.

Claims of racism often fall prey to the old fallacy...

I hate all bananas.

Bananas are yellow.

I hate all yellow things.

Sooo.... you're saying you hate school buses?

2011-05-04 12:54 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-05-04 1:39 PM

Very good points. As a white male, I don't have unique perspectives, so I would say that based on your argument, I have absolutely no say in calling this racism. And I would agree with that. The person making the video may have a different perspective which makes his point more valid. Perhaps not. I don't know.

Regardless, your points are well taken.

It is not about perspectives and the races of the observers it is about lack of any thing but conjecture about what another's motivations are.  If you are stating your conjecture as fact you need to have some supporting evidence not just "cause I see it that way".  If that is the case then perfectly innocuous gestures can be called  racism if an one participant or an outside observer chooses to perceive it as racism.  Calling someone a racist or an action racism without supporting evidence is never a valid argument; it is a personal attack, of a similar ilk, to that he is accusing Trump of making.

2011-05-05 5:23 AM
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trinnas - 2011-05-04 11:56 AM
UWMadTri - 2011-05-04 10:03 AM
trinnas - 2011-05-03 7:33 PM

Yes sometimes things are in fact racism but to assert racism with nothing to back it up except one guy is white and one guy is black or lacks any credibility.

That's certainly fair. What parameters do you need to see before you are ready to label something as "racist?" Keeping in mind that a lot of racism will never be broadcast to the general public, as it's taboo.

You need to have a pattern of systematic behavior before you can judge something to be racist, one incident or occurence does not make for racism.  Though it may be racially motivated you do not have enough information to know one way or another.  A charge of racism is in this case just another form of personal attack unless you are prepared to back it up by showing Trump is a racist and has acted in racist ways in the past.  Presuming racism based on participating individuals race just because racism is hard to see is not a valid argument. racism.

Fixed it for you.

2011-05-05 12:03 PM
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Trump's not a racist.  He's a showman and an opportunist.  He is however taking advantage of the opportunity to exploit racist tendancies of a significant portion of the American public.

It's called the Glenn Beck Model.


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