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2007-06-10 5:30 PM
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Congrats Laurie - well done! (PS - passing people is important - I know I enjoy it. )

And hey, mr. solis - did you learn anything? As long as you learn something, no race is a waste. I'm sure you'll finish next time - keep at 'er!! Well done for trying! I like to think about all the people who are just sitting there watching us - they can't even start, let alone finish.

Edit: Mauricio - I just read your race report. That is so disappointing that you had a bike break-down. Some things you just can't plan for I guess. Good luck in July!!

Edited by Kelownagirl 2007-06-10 5:53 PM


2007-06-10 7:31 PM
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Thank you Barb. I did learn alot about my swimming skills in OW. My training will be adjusted and my next race aproach will be adjusted.

Update on the Bike: The mechanic told me that this type of thing should never happen and that it must have been an error on the bike assembly from the factory. They will fix it for free and he told me that it will never happen again once he is "done with it". I suggested to them that maybe they should torque the entire bike to ensure nothing else was loose and he immediately agreed to give me a full tune up at no charge ( the bike is about 6 months old with less than 1000 miles). That is the least they can do for me I guess...

tri gear... $2000.00
Race entry fee.... $45.00
two dollar crank bolt tighten...priceless

Well, July 14 Sprint and August 5 Oly here I come
2007-06-11 4:09 PM
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MrSolis - 2007-06-10 5:31 PM Thank you Barb. I did learn alot about my swimming skills in OW. My training will be adjusted and my next race aproach will be adjusted. Update on the Bike: The mechanic told me that this type of thing should never happen and that it must have been an error on the bike assembly from the factory. They will fix it for free and he told me that it will never happen again once he is "done with it". I suggested to them that maybe they should torque the entire bike to ensure nothing else was loose and he immediately agreed to give me a full tune up at no charge ( the bike is about 6 months old with less than 1000 miles). That is the least they can do for me I guess... tri gear... $2000.00 Race entry fee.... $45.00 two dollar crank bolt tighten...priceless Well, July 14 Sprint and August 5 Oly here I come

 Mauricio - that really sucks! The bike shop is right - something like that should never happen, but I'd place the blame squarely on THEIR shoulders - they should go over each and every bolt on the bike before selling it to you, not just assume that everything is tightened up as it leaves the factory. Luckily, the only price you had to pay was a DNF in a race, as it could have been much worse! 

I think we can all learn from this though - it's well worth it to do a pre-race check on your bike - go over all the bolts and make sure they're tight (don't tighten them unnecessarily, just check that they're not loose), check for cracks, dents, etc., adjust gears, etc. After doing that, take your bike for one last spin before the race, to make sure all of your adjustments were OK.

Sorry to hear about your experience - but I'm sure you'll do great next time! 

2007-06-11 4:11 PM
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Alright Rob! Great job. You know if you're working hard enough to make yourself puke, you must be doing something right

Seriously - OW swimming often makes me dizzy too, although I feel like I've gotten used to it and it's not as bad anymore - I guess you adjust over time...

Great job on your first race - and on the many more in your future! 

2007-06-11 4:13 PM
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Kelownagirl - 2007-06-10 11:31 AM  I have to tell you that I kept thinking about you guys the whole time I was running and how I was going to have to tell you my time and it really made me run faster. You guys rock!

Ha - glad we can provide some good virtual inspiration! You did great! Congratulations on your first 5K. 

2007-06-11 4:24 PM
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Great job on your race Laurie. Getting passed is all part of the triathlon game... being a relatively fast swimmer is probably the worst as far as that goes (not that I'd know anything about that!!) - but whenever someone passes you on their bike, just look at them and say to yourself "Another slow swimmer!"

I can definitely share some tips on improving your bike speed. The simple answer is - to get faster, you need to ride faster

Riding long and slow is great when you're starting out, and is a good way to build endurance and get comfortable on the bike, but eventually, you need to do shorter, more intense workouts. I like to go out and do a 90-120 minute ride that includes about 15 minutes of warm-up, one hour of hard riding, and 15-30 minutes of cool down.

I use my powermeter to measure the intensity of my intervals, but you can also use heartrate and perceived exertion.

A good "starter" interval set is to do threshold intervals - this means you do 6-8 minute intervals at your "threshold" effort  level, which is the maximum effort you could sustain for an hour. So you do 3-4 intervals at that effort level, with a recovery of about 2 minutes in between. You can start out doing just two intervals, and work up to doing more, and longer intervals. The first few should feel like you're working, but not too hard, and the last few should feel like you're working pretty hard.

There are lots of variations on this, but it's a good place to start. Let me know if that makes sense and we can take it from there. 



2007-06-11 7:33 PM
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Thank you Scott. I will give this a try. Can you do this on a trainer? With kids out of school I know that some of my exercise is going to be done inside.
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2007-06-11 7:39 PM
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Kelownagirl - 2007-06-10 11:31 AM  I have to tell you that I kept thinking about you guys the whole time I was running and how I was going to have to tell you my time and it really made me run faster. You guys rock!

Ha - glad we can provide some good virtual inspiration! You did great! Congratulations on your first 5K. 



Thanks! The results were posted this afternoon and I did better than I thought. My actual time was 26:17 and I was 5th in my age group (out of 23 women) and 23rd overall (out of 136 women). Whoo hoo!

2007-06-12 12:28 AM
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Great job on the Run Barb ! Great time too
2007-06-12 8:38 AM
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Question for anyone.

I use the trainer a lot in morning rides b/c it's getting light when I'm finishing up and I'm not huge on biking in the dark. Sighting is still not great on spotting potholes and stuff.

Do tires tend to wear out quickly if using the trainer? Always seems the heat from the trainer seems to bland the rubber down. Am I just imagining this? Should I get "practice tires"? I'm looking for the least expensive route for the most part. The wife is watching the purchases for this sport.   (i don't blame her either!)

2007-06-12 9:39 AM
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arieth81 - 2007-06-12 9:38 AM

Question for anyone.

I use the trainer a lot in morning rides b/c it's getting light when I'm finishing up and I'm not huge on biking in the dark. Sighting is still not great on spotting potholes and stuff.

Do tires tend to wear out quickly if using the trainer? Always seems the heat from the trainer seems to bland the rubber down. Am I just imagining this? Should I get "practice tires"? I'm looking for the least expensive route for the most part. The wife is watching the purchases for this sport. (i don't blame her either!)



My understanding is that the trainer will wear out tires faster. I also remember seeing tires made specifically for trainers. The compound is different and will not be as affected by the heat and friction of the roller.

FWIW, I plan on just using my same old tires though. I use relatively cheap Panaracer Stradius Pros. They cost about $18 each. They are light with a high thread count, and can take some pretty high pressures.

If I was going into the winter and knew that I wouldn't be on the road for a while, I might switch, but for the time being, I have no intension of doing so.


2007-06-12 10:52 AM
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whatmomwants - 2007-06-11 5:33 PM Thank you Scott. I will give this a try. Can you do this on a trainer? With kids out of school I know that some of my exercise is going to be done inside. Laurie

A trainer would be fine - takes some good mental discipline, but I find it easier to do intervals on the trainer than to "just ride" since it's a little bit more interesting... 

2007-06-12 10:56 AM
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arieth81 - 2007-06-12 6:38 AM

Question for anyone.

I use the trainer a lot in morning rides b/c it's getting light when I'm finishing up and I'm not huge on biking in the dark. Sighting is still not great on spotting potholes and stuff.

Do tires tend to wear out quickly if using the trainer? Always seems the heat from the trainer seems to bland the rubber down. Am I just imagining this? Should I get "practice tires"? I'm looking for the least expensive route for the most part. The wife is watching the purchases for this sport. (i don't blame her either!)

Yeah, as Matt said - the trainer will wear out your tires more quickly than equivalent time on the road. A few things that will help:

  •  Keep your tires well inflated - 120 psi if they can handle that much
  • try to use higher resistance settings on the trainer, with lower gears on the bike, if possible - that way, you're going "slower" - obviously, this only works if you have adjustable resistance, which many trainers (even the good ones) do not
  • use cheaper/harder tires - you don't need to go all out and get the trainer tires unless you're exclusively on the trainer, but a nice set of commuter tires like the Armadillos will last longer and also be good for training rides - less likely to flat. Take them off for racing though - they're heavy and they don't grip quite as well, esp. when wet.
In the long run, you'll save money by buying tires to use on the trainer, since you won't wear through your expensive higher quality tires as quickly.
2007-06-12 10:57 AM
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Kelownagirl - 2007-06-10 11:31 AM I have to tell you that I kept thinking about you guys the whole time I was running and how I was going to have to tell you my time and it really made me run faster. You guys rock!

Ha - glad we can provide some good virtual inspiration! You did great! Congratulations on your first 5K.

Thanks! The results were posted this afternoon and I did better than I thought. My actual time was 26:17 and I was 5th in my age group (out of 23 women) and 23rd overall (out of 136 women). Whoo hoo!

5th out of 23 - that's fantastic! Great job!! 

2007-06-13 9:06 AM
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Alright you guys, I really need your help in determining my swim start position.

Here's the scoop. I'm swimming 500m in about 9' and a little change. Assuming a little extra "race day mojo", flotation of the suit, and no walls to slow me down, I know I can do this in 9' flat without any problems. Based on last years swim stats, there were only 18 people faster than me in the sprint, out of 170 racers. If I did some effective drafting, I could certainly be even faster than that.

So, should I just get into mid-pack, to the outside and swim it without stretching the limits, or should I move towards the front of the pack, but still stay outside? I'm thinking about the outside, because I'm not used to people trying to climb over me or even swimming with someone on my toes. Also, once the lead group moves ahead of the pack, I can pretty easily move over assuming that I'll be ahead of the pack. I'm not concerned with short distance acceleration. I don't usually use my feet for anything more that stabilizing my glide. If I add a little kick, I can pick it up pretty fast.

On the other hand, I build speed as I go. I don't start particularly fast for the first 100m, but build speed from there. I don't want to be forced to sprint out for more than 25y at the start. If I start too far back, I'm going to be boxed in when I'm ready to pick it up. If I start too far up front, I might have to put a little too much into it to hold my position and run the risk of gassing myself a little too much.

I graphed out the swim times from last year, and the "pack" starts from the 30th fastest and moves back. I don't know how wide the swim start it going to be, but I know that all ~175 plus are starting in one wave. I feel like I need to stay ahead of the folks from 30+.

Are most racers smart and place themselves in the right place at the start, or do too many people go out hard and get dropped? I've never done this before. I don't know what to expect.

Any thoughts?

2007-06-13 11:09 AM
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I think most people realize they are slow or fast, and place themselves in the pack accordingly.  If you are swimming 500m in 9ish mins in open water, I would say to just jump in the front.  The worst that happens is one or two people pass you right at the start, its easier than you passing 10 or 20 people through the swim.


2007-06-13 12:36 PM
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Hey Robb, nice to have you back!

What's it like to be "crawled over"? I've never experienced it. Is it a quick dunking, or more like someone holding you under for a couple strokes?

BTW Robb, I'd still like to hear about the bike trail you are making....
2007-06-13 1:19 PM
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I actually found that people grab your leg and then start to move around you.  No one went completely over me but I did get in some people's way lol.

 

The trail we are working on already kind of exists, we have just been cleaning it up and making it faster.  My buddy has a huge backpack that we fit an axe and saw into and go take out fallen trees.  It sucks when you have to stop and walk over a log.  The city I live in is great for it, its nickname is the "forest city" so its great for little trails all over.  Not a lot of elevation but it still gets quick here and there.

 

It actually feels good to get back into training after the race.  My "taper down" for the race felt more like I just slacked off for 2 weeks, so its nice to go for a run at night again.  And now that I have the Internet back I can actually log it lol

2007-06-13 1:54 PM
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Robb - 2007-06-13 2:19 PM

I actually found that people grab your leg and then start to move around you. No one went completely over me but I did get in some people's way lol.

The trail we are working on already kind of exists, we have just been cleaning it up and making it faster. My buddy has a huge backpack that we fit an axe and saw into and go take out fallen trees. It sucks when you have to stop and walk over a log. The city I live in is great for it, its nickname is the "forest city" so its great for little trails all over. Not a lot of elevation but it still gets quick here and there.

It actually feels good to get back into training after the race. My "taper down" for the race felt more like I just slacked off for 2 weeks, so its nice to go for a run at night again. And now that I have the Internet back I can actually log it lol



When they grabbed your leg, did they pull themselves forward, or was it more a tap to let you know that they were there and passing?

If you ever take pictures of the trails, shoot me a link. I'd like to check it out. Our trails around here are pretty short and the good ones are WAY overcrowded. I haven't had my mtb out on the trails in a while. After this weekend, I'll start getting at least one trail ride in per week. My next race might be an xterra, so I really need the dirt time.
2007-06-13 3:03 PM
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Rob,

I agree with you, I feel I did not do much last week and this week it feels like I am starting from scratch.

Question,
I am planning on doing July 14 Sprint and August 15 Olimpic tri's. I am thinking about following a training plan for the Oly and NOT tapering for the Sprint (maybe take thursday easy and Friday off before the Race). Do you think this is a good idea?


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2007-06-13 3:43 PM
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MrSolis - 2007-06-13 4:03 PM

Rob,

I agree with you, I feel I did not do much last week and this week it feels like I am starting from scratch.

Question,
I am planning on doing July 14 Sprint and August 15 Olimpic tri's. I am thinking about following a training plan for the Oly and NOT tapering for the Sprint (maybe take thursday easy and Friday off before the Race). Do you think this is a good idea?


Mauricio


Yup, that's pretty much what I am planning to do after this weekend.

Mauricio, you have a swimming background, don't you? What do you think about my previous question regarding starting position?


2007-06-13 3:58 PM
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Matt,

Yes I do but unfortunately I don't have OWS experience. What I did learn last weekend is that I should have swum my race. I started in the midle and tried to keep up with two guys that looked like swimmwers (you usually can tell) and I did but I was doing their race and wasted a lot of energy. I think that next time, regarless of where I start, i am going to swim my race. It might be hard to do since I don't like to loose but I have to keep the end goal in mind.
Another thing is that swiming in a crowd might be more distracting that being in the outer edge, if you swim straight to the buoy, eventually you will be in the midle with others. You will find your spot.

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I am going to try to go out for OWS this weekend after a bike ride. There are alot of adjustment I need to do

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2007-06-13 6:36 PM
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MrSolis - 2007-06-13 4:58 PM

Matt,

Yes I do but unfortunately I don't have OWS experience. What I did learn last weekend is that I should have swum my race. I started in the midle and tried to keep up with two guys that looked like swimmwers (you usually can tell) and I did but I was doing their race and wasted a lot of energy. I think that next time, regarless of where I start, i am going to swim my race. It might be hard to do since I don't like to loose but I have to keep the end goal in mind.
Another thing is that swiming in a crowd might be more distracting that being in the outer edge, if you swim straight to the buoy, eventually you will be in the midle with others. You will find your spot.

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I am going to try to go out for OWS this weekend after a bike ride. There are alot of adjustment I need to do

Mauricio


thanks. I'm finding that I like ows better now. i just hate having to hit the wall too many times in the pool.
2007-06-13 11:43 PM
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OWS does have it's perks.  The cooler water is much more refreshing.  Also the water doesn't taste nearly as bad as an indoor public chlorine filled pool.  Just watch out for sea monsters!!

 

Well tonight was crap.  Went for a bike ride around town.  Rear cassette was acting up, to the point were it wouldn't turn anymore at all.  I could still peddle forward but as soon as I coasted it would just turn with the wheel and my chain would slack down to the ground.  I thought it was just dirty but it won't even make that click-click-click noise anymore.  Anyway, its a brand new cassette but the freeride inside has a good 2000k on it so I think thats what it is.  Going to take it into the shop and let them play with it.  

What happened to a bike being care free?  This is starting to feel like a car!  :P 

2007-06-14 11:48 AM
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matt3liv - 2007-06-13 7:06 AM Alright you guys, I really need your help in determining my swim start position. 

I'd say "go for it" and position yourself closer to the front. You WILL probably need to "sprint" a bit for the first 50-100 yards - there's always a surge at the beginning while people jockey for position - if you don't want to deal with that, head more for the middle.

I've been swum "over" twice - I don't think it was malicious, just a couple of very fast swimmers from another wave, in murky water they couldn't see me until they were on top of me - it wasn't really too bad - just a brief dunking. I did have to resist the urge to punch them in the stomach (or worse) as they crawled over me

More likely you'll get kicked/grabbed/touched as people swim around or near you - it's something you kind of get used to. I did a swim tri once (at Stanford) in a 50 m pool where we did laps around the outside -there were 40 of us crammed into a 15 foot wide, 5 foot deep starting area - the swim start was CHAOS! I really wasn't swimming, as much as floating on top of 2-3 body parts at any time. This picture  gives you some idea of what it was like... but actually, it wasn't too bad, it was kind of funny, once I realized I wouldn't drown! 

So, if you're comfortable in the water, and don't mind being a bit aggressive to "stake out" your position, seed yourself in the front. Otherwise, head a bit farther back and then you can be the one passing people... 

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