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My HIM nutrition plan was awesome because I never had any GI issues, muscle cramps, etc.  Felt great the whole morning!!!

I had planned on eating rice cereal for breakfast but no micro in room, so I ate a bagel.  I have to say that I can eat almost anything and it doesn't cause problems (well, except gluten).  I drank a small bottle of sports drink.

gel before the swim start.  

2 water bottles on my bike.  1 had about 250 calories of sports drink (which I never finished).  The other had 4 gels diluted in water.  I grabbed water at 2 aid stations.

For the run I carried a handheld flask with 4 gels diluted in water.  I took sports drink or cola from the aid stations.  

Worked like a charm.  In the days prior to the race, I cut back on fibrous veggies and dried fruit, as those seem to give me the most problems. 



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So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.
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The QT2 Systems formula per week is:

Swim 9/3*distance

Bike 8/3*distance

Run 7/3* distance

You need to take this with some persepctive.  First of all, these distances are based on trial and error.  Can you race a really fast IM on less, yes.  So people generally prove with additional volume that they can recover from, yes as well. 

The first thing with looking at these numbers is understanding that going right from 10 hours / week to 24-26 hours/week isn't going to make you faster, its going to get you hurt or put you in a massive recovery deficit.  Training only does you any good if you can recover from it and gain physiological adaptations.  If reaching these nubmers is a goal, it may very well be a multi season goal just to get there. 

That being said, its not as much volume as you think it is.  Its about priorities.  If your priority in life is to train you make it happen.  If you have other priorities, you do what fits into your life.  All of us could be better at lots of tihngs if we dedicated more time to them, its a CBA -- is the added time worth it?

While these numbers are on the high side (and QT2 is generally on the high side volume wise) there is a minimum amount of work/training that needs to be done.  This number is really specific to the individual.  Shaun did IMFL in 2011 on 5-ish hours a week of training but he also had 5 years of consistent base.  I also know people who train many more hours than that and miss cut offs.  Totally individual. 

As a final thought going into Eagleman my 2 biggest weeks will be 21 and 22 hours.

2013-02-20 3:27 PM
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Morning of: Bagel w/ PB and honey and an Ensure for breakfast.  Sip on sports drink once you leave the hotel and head to transition.  Gel 30 minutes prior to your wave. 

Scott, I know you have a tough stomach but peanut butter is not a good choice.  Super high in fat, slow digesting and tends to just sit in your stomach and cause GI problems.  Some people can tolerate, but most, not so much.

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150 biking and 31 running and you're supposed to maintain that for a 5 week average before the race without bonking. The swim I was easily pulling down week in and week out. The bike I got to about a 140 mile average. The run about 24 mile average. I still pulled down 5:42 and 5:49 for my times in my first two HIMs.

If you read closely Kropelnicki recommends maintaining it for 5 weeks for a single sport event and just hitting them for a triathlon.  The bigger thing to remember is that therre is nothing magic about hitting those numbers for one or two weeks before your race.  The magic -- if you want to call it that -- is in working to increase your weekely volume to be able to easily step to those numbers in your overload weeks.  Doing masive week just to hit the numbers is more risk than its worth.



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kaburns1214 - 2013-02-20 3:27 PM

Morning of: Bagel w/ PB and honey and an Ensure for breakfast.  Sip on sports drink once you leave the hotel and head to transition.  Gel 30 minutes prior to your wave. 

Scott, I know you have a tough stomach but peanut butter is not a good choice.  Super high in fat, slow digesting and tends to just sit in your stomach and cause GI problems.  Some people can tolerate, but most, not so much.

 

She lives!!!!!!  I know.  Has never bothered me, but I should probably stop tempting fate.



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kaburns1214 - 2013-02-20 3:27 PM

Morning of: Bagel w/ PB and honey and an Ensure for breakfast.  Sip on sports drink once you leave the hotel and head to transition.  Gel 30 minutes prior to your wave. 

Scott, I know you have a tough stomach but peanut butter is not a good choice.  Super high in fat, slow digesting and tends to just sit in your stomach and cause GI problems.  Some people can tolerate, but most, not so much.

 

She lives!!!!!!  I know.  Has never bothered me, but I should probably stop tempting fate.

I still don't have use of my lungs and am generally miserable.

I have watched almost 4 seasons of Doctor Who in the last 5 days.  So, I have a new problem. 

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Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

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Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

So sorry to hear that, Carrie. Definitely sending good vibes your (and his) way.
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carrie639 - 2013-02-20 8:42 PM

Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

Awww....poor guy! That's so sad. May he recover soon.
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carrie639 - 2013-02-20 9:42 PM

Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

So sorry to hear that, Carrie. Definitely sending good vibes your (and his) way.

x2!!!



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Morning started off great.  My husband had a pitcher of homemade beet, carrot, celery, and apple juice waiting for me when I woke up.  I drank a big glass before I headed to the pool for my swim.  Got to the pool and the heater is broken (and has been for 3 days Surprised).  I swam for many, many years, and I swam in my share of cold pools, but this was a different kind of animal.  I don't remember ever being this cold.  FREEZING.  There was no wasting time today.  I took off and didn't stop.  Another guy hopped in and looked miserable, too, so I wasn't alone.  I am still cold now.

Low cadence intervals on the bike later this morning.  

 

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uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

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carrie639 - 2013-02-20 9:42 PM

Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

How scary!!!! Keep us updated!
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carrie639 - 2013-02-20 8:42 PM

Hey all ... just found out that while I was working late and my family trying to get a hold of me that my little nephew is at the hospital.  He pulled a TV down on himself tonight.  He is 5 years old and is special needs.  He had brain surgery at 3 months old so they are doing to CAT scan to make sure everything is OK. So far everything is ... but please keep him in your thoughts.

Thanks everyone!

 

Scary stuff.  I've never affixed anything to a wall or whatnot.  Guess we've been lucky, knock on wood.

 

4 x 1 mile test this morning.  Probably could have gone harder.  Okay results though.

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Thanks everyone for your thought.  Lex is fine, but I am sure will be very sore today.  He apparently climbed up on the TV stand and end up pulling it down on himself and its one of the older heavier TVs.  My sister heard a thud, and found the TV laying on top of him when she ran in there.  He got hit in the face so because of his previous brain injury and that it hit the front of his face that is why they did the CAT scan.  Only bumps and bruises.  He was a real trooper!!!  He will be one sore little guy today!


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That is really scary. Furniture falling on toddlers and young children is a leading cause of death. They don't know any better and will try to climb anything. You cannot be cautious enough. I'm glad he's doing well.
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carrie639 - 2013-02-21 7:41 AM Thanks everyone for your thought.  Lex is fine, but I am sure will be very sore today.  He apparently climbed up on the TV stand and end up pulling it down on himself and its one of the older heavier TVs.  My sister heard a thud, and found the TV laying on top of him when she ran in there.  He got hit in the face so because of his previous brain injury and that it hit the front of his face that is why they did the CAT scan.  Only bumps and bruises.  He was a real trooper!!!  He will be one sore little guy today!

Glad to hear that it ended up well. It must have been rather frightening for you, your sister and her family.

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uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

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jarvy01 - 2013-02-21 7:46 AM

uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

I would say 90% of the people I have seen that have a MAJOR issue with it are either awesome swimmers or someone that is very proficient at drafting.

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kidtri33 - 2013-02-19 2:43 PM Hey Scott(everlong) Looks like I will be joining you at REV3 Williamsburg. That is my new A race and after Friday I can share why I will be down there two weeks before for Jamestown International which is being held in pretty much the same area.

Awesome! I haven't made any arrangements yet but we'll have to get together. I'm bringing the family down and we'll spend a few days doing Busch Gardens, the historic districts, Go Ape, etc and then work our way back north hitting DC and maybe Baltimore on the way.

Yea we are doing the family trip for the Jamestown. I am not sure about REV3 what we are doing. May just be me and the wife for that one. We'll see. I haven't made arrangements for that either. If I do I will let you know and we can work something out.

A few things I thought of that you'll need to know. Packet pickup and putting your bike in transition has to be done Saturday. You cannot do it Sunday morning. I've had to do this once before but there were 3600 entries in that race and it was in NYC so you could understand it. I'm not sure about the justification for this one. Second if you have a Twitter account you can have them post your splits as they come in for friends and family to follow you. I think that's a great idea.



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uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

I would say 90% of the people I have seen that have a MAJOR issue with it are either awesome swimmers or someone that is very proficient at drafting.

Agreed and I think the drafters will find you just keep switching who you're drafting off of in the beginning and eventually find somebody who you stay with after without issue.

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uhcoog - 2013-02-21 10:39 AM
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jarvy01 - 2013-02-21 7:46 AM

uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

I would say 90% of the people I have seen that have a MAJOR issue with it are either awesome swimmers or someone that is very proficient at drafting.

Why would awesome swimmers or proficient drafters have an issue with this?  People will complain about anything, I swear.  Just swim.  

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uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

I would say 90% of the people I have seen that have a MAJOR issue with it are either awesome swimmers or someone that is very proficient at drafting.

Why would awesome swimmers or proficient drafters have an issue with this?  People will complain about anything, I swear.  Just swim.  

The good swimmers jet out and get ahead of the traffic jam and pick up time on the weaker swimmers who might be better cyclists, runners or both.

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jarvy01 - 2013-02-21 7:46 AM

uhcoog - 2013-02-20 3:18 PM So I'm hearing CdA is close to going to a TT start and that this may be the way all IM events go in the near future if not this year.  I know there is a thread on ST about it, but I'm hearing this from people I know that have ins with IM folks.  Not sure how I feel about it.  Not sure this addresses the issue it's purporting to.

I'm curious to hear how you feel about this, Kelly, since you did a TT start at Louisville.  I haven't done an IM yet, so it really matters little to me how they set us up at the swim start.  I want uniformity at IM branded events though, so if they choose the TT start for CdA, then do it for all of them.  Couldn't care less about my finishing time not matching the clock above me at the end either.  Most races are like that anyway.  I will probably have a much, much better swim time without the mass start, so bring it on  

The NYC Olympic they do a TT start off a dock and it's about 40 people at once spread out and I have to say I loved it. I was able to get into such a nice rhythm from the start and passing the slower swimmers was so easy. I think there were 3600 participants the year I did it and my age group was right in the middle and I was in the middle of that group. My age group was by far the largest having close to 600 people if memory serves me right. It was a lot of fun when I started picking off people 5 colors ahead of me. Also when the pros all went off together it was awesome. They were absolutely flying and you could feel the excitement and buzz as everybody was commenting on the speed. 3500 racers plus the spectators which were at least 3X commenting it was a lot of fun.  

I would say 90% of the people I have seen that have a MAJOR issue with it are either awesome swimmers or someone that is very proficient at drafting.

Why would awesome swimmers or proficient drafters have an issue with this?  People will complain about anything, I swear.  Just swim.  

The good swimmers jet out and get ahead of the traffic jam and pick up time on the weaker swimmers who might be better cyclists, runners or both.

I understand, but I still think the good swimmers will jet out and pick up time no matter the type of start.  Sure, there will be less drafting, but that's ok.  So you don't get to ride someone's tail for the full hour and have to swim on your own.  There's no drafting on the bike either.  

Personally, I'm racing my own clock at this point in time.  I'll be fine no matter the type of start.  I'm a decent swimmer but not the best, so I'll find a pace that suits me for 2+ miles and ride it out.  I like the idea of not having my goggles ripped off my face, or being kicked in the gut, but mass start is fine with me, too.  I'll still find my pace and it'll all be good.    

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