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2013-04-07 4:35 PM
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Ego is my main problem as well.  I needed to step back and realize I'm not a teenager anymore.  That's what led to my overuse injury in the knee back in Jan.  Since that happened I have dialed it back to Z2 for the majority of my workout.  Like you I will toss in some sprints just to make it more fun.  I guess the main thing I am working on now is being consistent with my workouts and keeping up with the motivation.  In the pool I am going for form since my swim endurance is still crapola. With no runs going on right now I am adding in more swims since I need the extra practice with efficiency.


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So I asked around about what to do about the excruciating urination I've been experiencing and the consensus was drink more water.  The idea of peeing a lot scared the out of me (so to speak Laughing) so I covered myself by taking a nice dose of Codeine I don't know if the water or the Codeine is at work - but I feel so much better.  It might also have to do with the 1/2 bottle of wine.  Not safe, I know.  BUt the idea of peeing really scared me.  

I need to  get back on the straight and narrow next week.  My eating has been ok but my exercise is not what I would like it to be.  I might need someone to come kick my a$$

Question: Did you log that bottle of wine?  Answer: No HAHA

Questions: Did you log that good eating? Answer No, LOL

I am a fortune teller and I see a visit from Lenny and a size 14 boot in your future.  You know I'm kidding but this is just a friendly reminder to pick back up the logging.  You have done so well and got so far with the weight loss don't slack off now.  So close to the final goal.  Plus you have like a million LoseIt badges

Alex - You are the man.  Thanks for the accountability.  Back at it tomorrow.  I owe you!  

2013-04-07 6:41 PM
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6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!
2013-04-07 7:33 PM
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Feeling inspired by David, Bobby and Alex, so a swim in the morning despite the knee pain. That's going to be my plan for the week. SwimSwim 3days
2013-04-07 7:45 PM
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bobddsmd - 2013-04-07 7:41 PM 6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!

Bobby, YOU ARE AN IRONMAN! (or however they say it when you cross the line insert announcers voice here)

I wanna see the pics as soon as you get home.  Way to go it must feel great!!!!!!!!!!!!



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lp3510 - 2013-04-07 8:33 PM Feeling inspired by David, Bobby and Alex, so a swim in the morning despite the knee pain. That's going to be my plan for the week. SwimSwim 3days

Good thing to shoot for Lenny.  Way to turn it around and focus on something positive.  

Get your boot ready if David slacks on the food logging Tongue out



2013-04-07 7:50 PM
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bobddsmd - 2013-04-07 5:41 PM 6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!

Awesome job Bobby!!!  Congratulations we all knew you would do great!  Put up some pictures after you recover with a few beers!

2013-04-07 7:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is going to be the last goal chart I post in here.  Let's end the BDAS Winter Mentor Group with a bang by accomplishing all our goals this week.  Only write it down if you are going to do it.

Beer Drinker Appreciation Society 

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 Kevin 
 thor67 Thor 
 SportzVision Cynthia 
 Wiff Kim 
 jlangeneJared  
mirthfuldragon Charles  
Burd Alex  
Yakhead  Ian 
 bobddsmd  Bobby 
 Cassady Doug 
 lp3510 Lenny 
 justinfss Justin 
 firefighter Taj 
 snarky Elizabeth 
mcmanusclan5Matt  
DBrew99 Dan 
BigDH Darren/DH 
  Qua17 David or DQ
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  • Yoga, Swim, Bike, Run x 1
  • Start the BDAS Spring Mentor Group

 

2013-04-07 7:54 PM
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lp3510 - 2013-04-07 7:16 AM
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It's only a 2.5hr drive from ct and I wear a size 14 shoe. That would be a pretty large kick in the a$$. Ha haThe weather is finally getting better next week so the timing is just right.

Message received.  Many thanks.  A size 14 shoe - really?

2013-04-07 7:55 PM
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It's only a 2.5hr drive from ct and I wear a size 14 shoe. That would be a pretty large kick in the a$$. Ha haThe weather is finally getting better next week so the timing is just right.

Message received.  Many thanks.  A size 14 shoe - really?

2013-04-07 7:58 PM
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bobddsmd - 2013-04-07 6:41 PM 6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!

Bobby - I am very proud of you!  You beat me by 10 minutes.  Way to push past the pain.  I hope the glow lasts a few weeks!  If you start to get bummed - just wear the medal under your shirt.  

Can't wait to read the race report.



2013-04-07 7:59 PM
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Qua17 - 2013-04-07 8:52 PM

 

Beer Drinker Appreciation Society 

kevinbe

 Kevin 
 thor67 Thor 
 SportzVision Cynthia 
 Wiff Kim 
 jlangeneJared  
mirthfuldragon Charles  
Burd Alex 
  • Try not to cry when this BDAS ends Cry
  • 3x bike
  • 3x swim - minimum 3k in pool
  • Attend stroke refinement class
  • 3x P90X stretch video
Yakhead  Ian 
 bobddsmd  Bobby 
 Cassady Doug 
 lp3510 Lenny 
 justinfss Justin 
 firefighter Taj 
 snarky Elizabeth 
mcmanusclan5Matt  
DBrew99 Dan 
BigDH Darren/DH 
  Qua17 David or DQ
  • Record every calorie
  • Yoga, Swim, Bike, Run x 1
  • Start the BDAS Spring Mentor Group

 

2013-04-07 8:04 PM
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Alex - the BDAS isn't ending when the spring mentor sessions start.  All we will be doing is to recreate the group and let some new members join us.  When they put the post up calling for new leaders - I throw my name into the ring and we will make it happen!

I say we left fewer of those Canuks in - what do you thinkWink

2013-04-07 8:21 PM
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bobddsmd - 2013-04-07 5:41 PM 6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!

Great Job!

2013-04-07 8:26 PM
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mirthfuldragon - 2013-04-07 3:00 PM

Mini-duathlon today, with my wife:  3 mile run to the gym, 1,000 yard swim (got kicked out of the pool by a class they were having), 3 mile run back home.  My wife is still struggling on the run, so the pace was pretty slow, but she did really well, and I am proud of her.

Yesterday I broke a spoke on my long ride, so now I am awaiting a new tool kit from performance bike so I can pull the cassette and change the spoke.  Yay, tools, yay, greasy.  

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I have an honest question for everyone, or perhaps a topic for discussion.  Listing to everyone, and reading the posts, it seems that everyone here regularly has medium- or high-level physical issues the prevent or substantially hinder training.  

For me, 95% of my issues are purely psychological - some life stress triggers depression / apathy / anger / f*%& the world / etc., and I just don't feel like working out.  I have had exactly two physical problems that caused training issues - a shoulder strain from overuse when I was starting swimming, and a strained ankle.

Now, my question or debate topic is this:  are we training too hard?  I have read a ton of articles on this subject, and I strive to and struggle with keeping my workouts easy - zones 1 and 2, for the most part, with occasional zone 4 and 5 intervals in very small amounts, largely to keep things interesting (i.e., a short standing climb in a big gear up this hill, a half mile sprint in the middle of my medium run,etc.).

Especially in triathlon, where the sport is so much about endurance, are we training too hard?

Another example:  on Trainer Road, my virtual power FTP is 180 watts, so for the long workouts, the average wattage is between 110 and maybe 125, which leaves my heart rate around 120bpm - which is around 600 calories per hour and a pace I could spend all day at - I'm not even all that sweaty afterward.

So, how do you train, and why?


For me, the only struggle in my workouts is checking my ego at the door and going slow, and building aerobic base - zones 1 and 2, keeping it light, and trying to not get bored, and trying to fit everything in to my schedule.  On the run, it's all z2 running.  On the bike, I'm following a trainer road plan, which is probably 85% z1/z2 stuff.  On the swim, I just try to find time to hit the water and focus on form.

I will respond this for me and no one else. My current injury...well is really my first issue. It is probably more from hockey then triathlon. Personally I don't think I over train. I went from closing in on 300lbs with high blood pressure etc. to closing in on 200 lbs and in great shape so i will take the tradeoff!

as far as the numerous issues we have, I believe part of it is age. I think most of us are not spring chickens. Especially David, if you go by the pictures i have see of him... Laughing

2013-04-07 8:51 PM
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Beer Drinker Appreciation Society 

kevinbe

 Kevin 
 thor67 Thor 
 SportzVision Cynthia 
 Wiff Kim 
 jlangeneJared  
mirthfuldragon Charles 
  • Enjoy the weather and get out and run
  • Get the bike fixed
  • Keep it going in the pool
  • Enjoy myself
Burd Alex 
  • Try not to cry when this BDAS ends Cry
  • 3x bike
  • 3x swim - minimum 3k in pool
  • Attend stroke refinement class
  • 3x P90X stretch video
Yakhead  Ian 
 bobddsmd  Bobby 
 Cassady Doug 
 lp3510 Lenny 
 justinfss Justin 
 firefighter Taj 
 snarky Elizabeth 
mcmanusclan5Matt  
DBrew99 Dan 
BigDH Darren/DH 
  Qua17 David or DQ
  • Record every calorie
  • Yoga, Swim, Bike, Run x 1
  • Start the BDAS Spring Mentor Group

 



2013-04-08 6:56 AM
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mirthfuldragon - 2013-04-07 8:51 PM
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  • Enjoy the weather and get out and run
  • Get the bike fixed
  • Keep it going in the pool
  • Enjoy myself

Charles: Love your last goal... I so often get so goal oriented that I forget that swimming/biking/running can actually be FUN!  Have a great week!

2013-04-08 7:14 AM
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It's only a 2.5hr drive from ct and I wear a size 14 shoe. That would be a pretty large kick in the a$$. Ha haThe weather is finally getting better next week so the timing is just right.

Message received.  Many thanks.  A size 14 shoe - really?

It's more of a flipper than a foot.
2013-04-08 7:31 AM
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Burd - 2013-04-07 8:47 PM

lp3510 - 2013-04-07 8:33 PM Feeling inspired by David, Bobby and Alex, so a swim in the morning despite the knee pain. That's going to be my plan for the week. SwimSwim 3days

Good thing to shoot for Lenny.  Way to turn it around and focus on something positive.  

Get your boot ready if David slacks on the food logging Tongue out

Thanks it has been pretty tough not exercising since this knee issue I was in such a good place with my endurance and most importantly I was enjoying every workout. I'd usually just keep going but the pain is pretty constant. Its to the point I'm in severe pain squatting to pet the dog. I'm hoping to hear from the ortho this week with results of last week's mri.Got 1650yds in this morning. Not straight through but my own pyramid
2013-04-08 10:18 AM
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bobddsmd - 2013-04-07 7:41 PM6:31.Great experience. Exhausted. First two miles of the run was one of the worst experiences of my life as far as pain cave action.Feels great. Thanks again everyone!
Great job! Get any cool photos?
2013-04-08 10:42 AM
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I really like Charle's recent question about training and injury.

I think all of us do too much too soon with little balance. Why is that? Well, I think we are attracted to tri because we are nuts. I am only kinda joking on that one. Seriously, don't your friends think you are crazy for doing them? So, we are kinda crazy, come at it and attack it. We get committed and go at it too quickly.

Our bodies are pretty good machines. Unlike no other. If you really listen to your body, you will usually get a warning sign that something is happening. As triathletes, we push through it instead of listening to our bodies and either back off, figure out the cause or do things differently (strength training to decrease overcompensation issues, form issues). So we get injured. You guys are likely sick of hearing about my IT band issue, but it was because I did not have the base strength (glutes) to attach HIM with a new tri bike (aero). My body said stop. Not running for two weeks and then going back slowly was painful mentally. I was somewhat nervous about running 13.1 yesterday since I had not run over 5 miles in 7 weeks. That is where a slow base will kick in (and I beat my stand alone HM time to boot).

So, listen to the body. Spend the time doing some strength work. Listen to others/read about form (swim/run). We are going to have pains/injuries.  Just try to make sure you get them taken care of before they burst. The worst thing we can do is sideline ourselves for months and months. I think I was lucky that I was able to race yesterday.  Now I am going to hit strength training, do a little s/b/r before I plan the next adventure.

******please note that I find out about the KONA lottery in 7 days. If I get selected I will unfortunately have to disregard everything I just said.



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bobddsmd - 2013-04-08 11:42 AM

I really like Charle's recent question about training and injury.

I think all of us do too much too soon with little balance. Why is that? Well, I think we are attracted to tri because we are nuts. I am only kinda joking on that one. Seriously, don't your friends think you are crazy for doing them? So, we are kinda crazy, come at it and attack it. We get committed and go at it too quickly.

Our bodies are pretty good machines. Unlike no other. If you really listen to your body, you will usually get a warning sign that something is happening. As triathletes, we push through it instead of listening to our bodies and either back off, figure out the cause or do things differently (strength training to decrease overcompensation issues, form issues). So we get injured. You guys are likely sick of hearing about my IT band issue, but it was because I did not have the base strength (glutes) to attach HIM with a new tri bike (aero). My body said stop. Not running for two weeks and then going back slowly was painful mentally. I was somewhat nervous about running 13.1 yesterday since I had not run over 5 miles in 7 weeks. That is where a slow base will kick in (and I beat my stand alone HM time to boot).

So, listen to the body. Spend the time doing some strength work. Listen to others/read about form (swim/run). We are going to have pains/injuries.  Just try to make sure you get them taken care of before they burst. The worst thing we can do is sideline ourselves for months and months. I think I was lucky that I was able to race yesterday.  Now I am going to hit strength training, do a little s/b/r before I plan the next adventure.

******please note that I find out about the KONA lottery in 7 days. If I get selected I will unfortunately have to disregard everything I just said.

Great post. You described me and I'm sure 99% of us exactly.
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mirthfuldragon - 2013-04-07 8:51 PM
Beer Drinker Appreciation Society 

kevinbe

 Kevin 
 thor67 Thor 
 SportzVision Cynthia 
 Wiff Kim 
 jlangeneJared  
mirthfuldragon Charles 
  • Enjoy the weather and get out and run
  • Get the bike fixed
  • Keep it going in the pool
  • Enjoy myself
Burd Alex 
  • Try not to cry when this BDAS ends Cry
  • 3x bike
  • 3x swim - minimum 3k in pool
  • Attend stroke refinement class
  • 3x P90X stretch video
Yakhead  Ian 
 bobddsmd  Bobby
  •  recovery and beer baby!!!!
 Cassady Doug 
 lp3510 Lenny 
 justinfss Justin 
 firefighter Taj 
 snarky Elizabeth 
mcmanusclan5Matt  
DBrew99 Dan 
BigDH Darren/DH 
  Qua17 David or DQ
  • Record every calorie
  • Yoga, Swim, Bike, Run x 1
  • Start the BDAS Spring Mentor Group

 

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With my rant about too much too soon I would like to shout out to Alex when he modified his race plans to a later race. I initially thought you had already paid for it and thus suggested walking for the run.

I saw a good number of 70 year olds at this HIM including one with a Kona finishers jacket. I think slow and steady lead them on their path. They probably had a fair number of speed bumps but kept at it.

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Mini-duathlon today, with my wife:  3 mile run to the gym, 1,000 yard swim (got kicked out of the pool by a class they were having), 3 mile run back home.  My wife is still struggling on the run, so the pace was pretty slow, but she did really well, and I am proud of her.

Yesterday I broke a spoke on my long ride, so now I am awaiting a new tool kit from performance bike so I can pull the cassette and change the spoke.  Yay, tools, yay, greasy.  

********

I have an honest question for everyone, or perhaps a topic for discussion.  Listing to everyone, and reading the posts, it seems that everyone here regularly has medium- or high-level physical issues the prevent or substantially hinder training.  

For me, 95% of my issues are purely psychological - some life stress triggers depression / apathy / anger / f*%& the world / etc., and I just don't feel like working out.  I have had exactly two physical problems that caused training issues - a shoulder strain from overuse when I was starting swimming, and a strained ankle.

Now, my question or debate topic is this:  are we training too hard?  I have read a ton of articles on this subject, and I strive to and struggle with keeping my workouts easy - zones 1 and 2, for the most part, with occasional zone 4 and 5 intervals in very small amounts, largely to keep things interesting (i.e., a short standing climb in a big gear up this hill, a half mile sprint in the middle of my medium run,etc.).

Especially in triathlon, where the sport is so much about endurance, are we training too hard?

Another example:  on Trainer Road, my virtual power FTP is 180 watts, so for the long workouts, the average wattage is between 110 and maybe 125, which leaves my heart rate around 120bpm - which is around 600 calories per hour and a pace I could spend all day at - I'm not even all that sweaty afterward.

So, how do you train, and why?


For me, the only struggle in my workouts is checking my ego at the door and going slow, and building aerobic base - zones 1 and 2, keeping it light, and trying to not get bored, and trying to fit everything in to my schedule.  On the run, it's all z2 running.  On the bike, I'm following a trainer road plan, which is probably 85% z1/z2 stuff.  On the swim, I just try to find time to hit the water and focus on form.

I will respond this for me and no one else. My current injury...well is really my first issue. It is probably more from hockey then triathlon. Personally I don't think I over train. I went from closing in on 300lbs with high blood pressure etc. to closing in on 200 lbs and in great shape so i will take the tradeoff!

as far as the numerous issues we have, I believe part of it is age. I think most of us are not spring chickens. Especially David, if you go by the pictures i have see of him... Laughing

Better watch out.  I'm gonna put in my teeth, load up on depends, drive up there, and crack you a good one with my cane.  Then I'm gonna grab dinner at a buffet that caters to good looking men like me. Laughing

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