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 2011-07-07 8:41 AM in reply to: #3584353 |
Master  1832     Elgin, IL |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSEDSo maybe just 1/2 a bagel then. My stomach will probably appreciate less weight anyway. I can always bring a bar if I am really struggling. So for my long run Saturday (18), I am still experimenting with nutrition. I have a liquid strategy, more, but still trying to figure out, gels or perpetium solids (which has the protein in it). The gels are wonderful, easy to use and carry, but I definitely get the highs and lows through the run. With the perpetium solids, they are easy to carry and the energy is far more consistent (no highs and lows), but they are tablets and very hard to eat while running. Should I just take smaller sips from the gels flask more often to try to avoid the highs and lows, or try the perpetium and since I am doing the run/walk, take them on the walk portion? I do get a little stomach ache in the beginning with the solids, but it goes away. No issues with the gels. Thoughts? |
| 2011-07-07 8:42 AM in reply to: #3584353 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:29 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 6:35 AM I think I have found my pre-long run nutrition . . . plain bagel with peanut butter and honey on it. It is delicious and has the calories needed, but still don't know if I can put down a full bagel cuz it feels kind of heavy unless I eat 2 hrs prior. hhhmmm You actually may want to consider trying something a little less filling. You would be amazed how few calories you "need" to complete a workout, even a long run. In general, you can run upwards of 60min+ in just glycogen already in your lives and muscles when you wake up. It's been shown that general aerobic efforts, not higher intensity efforts, done on fewer calories stimulates out bodies fat oxidation much better. By having a lot of high calorie, hi glycemic index pre-training food, we spiuke our blood sugar and our metabolic efficicency is supressed. Just something to consider, but in general, most triathletes eat way too much pre-training.I also worry a little about the peanut butter. At least for me, high fat food pre-run are a recipie for GI distress. If I'm running in the morning its generally a banana or a Natures Valley bar. |
| 2011-07-07 8:42 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED I have been struggling for motivation to get up for my 5:30 swim. Went to be last night tired after yet another latish night shooting baseball. But at 4 am found myself wide awake so figured what the..... and got up and went. Had the pool to myself for almost the entire time, then only two thers came in. I may try to get back to the pool tomorrow (ours is closed for lap swims on the weekends). Sat taking my 7 year old grad daughter down to do her first Jr tri. she has been wanting to do one since I did my first last year. Mine is just over a week away now. |
| 2011-07-07 8:44 AM in reply to: #3584381 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Well, let me ask you this how long, in time, is your long run? 90min? More? And what do you ascribe these "high and lows" to? The gels? Be careful trying to draw cause and effect too much, your perception of how you feel may have as much to do with fitness or pacing as nutrition. Edited by bryancd 2011-07-07 8:46 AM |
| 2011-07-07 8:44 AM in reply to: #3584353 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 8:29 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 6:35 AM I think I have found my pre-long run nutrition . . . plain bagel with peanut butter and honey on it. It is delicious and has the calories needed, but still don't know if I can put down a full bagel cuz it feels kind of heavy unless I eat 2 hrs prior. hhhmmm You actually may want to consider trying something a little less filling. You would be amazed how few calories you "need" to complete a workout, even a long run. In general, you can run upwards of 60min+ in just glycogen already in your lives and muscles when you wake up. It's been shown that general aerobic efforts, not higher intensity efforts, done on fewer calories stimulates out bodies fat oxidation much better. By having a lot of high calorie, hi glycemic index pre-training food, we spiuke our blood sugar and our metabolic efficicency is supressed. Just something to consider, but in general, most triathletes eat way too much pre-training.This is true. You may want to look at something low GI like old fashioned oats. The PB plus the honey is going to spike your insulin levels |
| 2011-07-07 8:46 AM in reply to: #3584387 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Artist - 2011-07-07 7:42 AM Sat taking my 7 year old grad daughter down to do her first Jr tri. she has been wanting to do one since I did my first last year. Mine is just over a week away now.
I bet she's excited! Have fun. |
| 2011-07-07 8:47 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Maybe after we get Carrie sorted out we can have a go at my other favorite pet peeve, post workout recovery nutrition.... |
| 2011-07-07 8:47 AM in reply to: #3584381 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-07 9:41 AM So maybe just 1/2 a bagel then. My stomach will probably appreciate less weight anyway. I can always bring a bar if I am really struggling. So for my long run Saturday (18), I am still experimenting with nutrition. I have a liquid strategy, more, but still trying to figure out, gels or perpetium solids (which has the protein in it). The gels are wonderful, easy to use and carry, but I definitely get the highs and lows through the run. With the perpetium solids, they are easy to carry and the energy is far more consistent (no highs and lows), but they are tablets and very hard to eat while running. Should I just take smaller sips from the gels flask more often to try to avoid the highs and lows, or try the perpetium and since I am doing the run/walk, take them on the walk portion? I do get a little stomach ache in the beginning with the solids, but it goes away. No issues with the gels. Thoughts? For long runs I carry Ironman Perform and take some evey mile. I also carry clif shot bloks and take a blok every other mile (2, 4, 6, 8 etc.). I find that the regular bloks keeps me full and eliminates the highs and lows of taking a gel less frequently. Plus it gives me something to look forward to and I really like the black cherry flavor.
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| 2011-07-07 8:49 AM in reply to: #3584387 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Artist - 2011-07-07 9:42 AM I have been struggling for motivation to get up for my 5:30 swim. Went to be last night tired after yet another latish night shooting baseball. But at 4 am found myself wide awake so figured what the..... and got up and went. Had the pool to myself for almost the entire time, then only two thers came in. I may try to get back to the pool tomorrow (ours is closed for lap swims on the weekends). Sat taking my 7 year old grad daughter down to do her first Jr tri. she has been wanting to do one since I did my first last year. Mine is just over a week away now. I have having simlar issues getting my butt out of bed in the morning. I know I need to be up at 5 a.m. to get my morning workouts in but I've been having trouble lately (I've also been going to bed a bit later than usual). You need to post pictures of the race on Saturday! |
| 2011-07-07 8:51 AM in reply to: #3584392 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-07 9:44 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 8:29 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 6:35 AM I think I have found my pre-long run nutrition . . . plain bagel with peanut butter and honey on it. It is delicious and has the calories needed, but still don't know if I can put down a full bagel cuz it feels kind of heavy unless I eat 2 hrs prior. hhhmmm You actually may want to consider trying something a little less filling. You would be amazed how few calories you "need" to complete a workout, even a long run. In general, you can run upwards of 60min+ in just glycogen already in your lives and muscles when you wake up. It's been shown that general aerobic efforts, not higher intensity efforts, done on fewer calories stimulates out bodies fat oxidation much better. By having a lot of high calorie, hi glycemic index pre-training food, we spiuke our blood sugar and our metabolic efficicency is supressed. Just something to consider, but in general, most triathletes eat way too much pre-training.This is true. You may want to look at something low GI like old fashioned oats. The PB plus the honey is going to spike your insulin levels Oats = high fiber. Once again be careful. If you have a tough stomach, no problem, if you're like me, oats will rip your stomach apart (then again I know where every bathroom is on my normal run routes). Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. |
| 2011-07-07 8:52 AM in reply to: #3584391 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:44 AM Well, let me ask you this how long, in time, is your long run? 90min? More? And what do you ascribe these "high and lows" to? The gels? Be careful trying to draw cause and effect too much, your perception of how you feel may have as much to do with fitness or pacing as nutrition. I think she's talking about her 18 miler this weekend, so in the 3 hour range. |
| 2011-07-07 8:53 AM in reply to: #3584417 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:51 AM Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. ..or nothing. Never be afraid to try different things in training. |
| 2011-07-07 8:54 AM in reply to: #3584310 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED karen26.2 - 2011-07-07 8:58 AM DDVMM - 2011-07-06 8:16 PM Kelly and Karen - my cart is full at lululemon.com - thanks, I think!! LOL You will not be disappointed. Try one of the Run Swiftly Tech shirts. Amazing material! I wore the run swiftly tank this morning! |
| 2011-07-07 8:54 AM in reply to: #3584420 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:53 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:51 AM Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. ..or nothing. Never be afraid to try different things in training.I wake up hungry in the morning. Seriously though, simple is best. |
| 2011-07-07 8:55 AM in reply to: #3584418 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:52 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:44 AM Well, let me ask you this how long, in time, is your long run? 90min? More? And what do you ascribe these "high and lows" to? The gels? Be careful trying to draw cause and effect too much, your perception of how you feel may have as much to do with fitness or pacing as nutrition. I think she's talking about her 18 miler this weekend, so in the 3 hour range. For three hours it would be appropriate to start the run with the equivalant calorie content of a gel or even a bar of some kind, that's ok. |
| 2011-07-07 8:57 AM in reply to: #3584429 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:54 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:53 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:51 AM Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. ..or nothing. Never be afraid to try different things in training.I wake up hungry in the morning. Seriously though, simple is best. So does everyone else, doesn't mean if you don't eat you can't go do your swim or run or bike. |
| 2011-07-07 9:00 AM in reply to: #3584438 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:57 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:54 AM So does everyone else, doesn't mean if you don't eat you can't go do your swim or run or bike. bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:53 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 7:51 AM Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. ..or nothing. Never be afraid to try different things in training.I wake up hungry in the morning. Seriously though, simple is best. Agree. It means I want to eat. |
| 2011-07-07 9:06 AM in reply to: #3584342 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED rizer22 - 2011-07-07 9:24 AM JSklarz- I actually disagree. (not about the yankees, love the yankees. jeter is 3 hits away from 3,000) But this being my first year into this sport, I actually love watching the TdF. Last nights crashes, and the sprint at the end were pretty exciting. I had read one of Lance Armstrong's books earlier in the year, and now having a better understanding on how the Peloton works, and the pace cars (if that's what you call them), I enjoy watching it so much more. I agree. I think cycling is super exciting to watch. Then again I "watch" the live blog from work all morning -- http://live.cyclingnews.com/ Although I'm going to respect others and not divulge the results of today's race (even if Cav pulls something crazy off and wins again). We can discuss tomorrow morning. |
| 2011-07-07 9:07 AM in reply to: #3584462 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED |
| 2011-07-07 9:12 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED I had several of my best long runs ever fasted. Just sayin. I would take in something with some aminos to stave off muscle catabolism if you decided to go this route. Even a gatorade endurance would do. BTW I do have a steel trap for a stomach. Pretty much only foods w/ really high acid content mess with me. Sometimes I forget high fiber foods cause GI distress with folks. Edited by uhcoog 2011-07-07 9:14 AM |
| 2011-07-07 9:14 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Sometimes I get the feeling I'm the only person in the world that knowing the outcome of a sporting event does not spoil my viewing pleasure. World Cup, Olympics, etc. Never bothers me that I know who wins ahead of time. |
| 2011-07-07 9:19 AM in reply to: #3584391 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED 18 miles will take me about 4 hours. When I did 16 2 weeks ago I felt good for about 12-13, then it felt like I got a bounce back in my step (vs. feeling the fatigue) about 5-15 minutes after I took the gel. I guess I just figured it felt good cuz of the gel kicking in and not fitness cuz I was pretty tired and it was getting really hot at that point. It didn't last long though, maybe 10 minutes or so at that point. NO? |
| 2011-07-07 9:21 AM in reply to: #3584404 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? |
| 2011-07-07 9:27 AM in reply to: #3584506 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:21 AM Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? I'm totally letting Bryan take this one . . . |
| 2011-07-07 9:27 AM in reply to: #3584503 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:19 AM 18 miles will take me about 4 hours. When I did 16 2 weeks ago I felt good for about 12-13, then it felt like I got a bounce back in my step (vs. feeling the fatigue) about 5-15 minutes after I took the gel. I guess I just figured it felt good cuz of the gel kicking in and not fitness cuz I was pretty tired and it was getting really hot at that point. It didn't last long though, maybe 10 minutes or so at that point. NO? Caffeinated gels? |
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