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 2011-07-07 9:28 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Master  1832     Elgin, IL |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSEDNo oats for me before runs . . . to heavy in my stomach. I don't have a problem with a banana and some gatorade, or I can go with my powerbar fruit smootie energy bar (delicious by the way). I am training, so nows the time to try stuff, especially on long stuff. I like the blocks, but gatorade endurance on top of sweet blocks (sweeter than my gels) can make me want to hurl by the end, but I bet they hold up better than the water consistentcy of gels in the heat. |
| 2011-07-07 9:30 AM in reply to: #3584518 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Caffienated - yes if I take tropical, no if I use orange. On the 16 I used caffienated . . . no reason |
| 2011-07-07 10:35 AM in reply to: #3584503 |
Champion 9600  Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-07 8:19 AM 18 miles will take me about 4 hours. When I did 16 2 weeks ago I felt good for about 12-13, then it felt like I got a bounce back in my step (vs. feeling the fatigue) about 5-15 minutes after I took the gel. I guess I just figured it felt good cuz of the gel kicking in and not fitness cuz I was pretty tired and it was getting really hot at that point. It didn't last long though, maybe 10 minutes or so at that point. NO? You waited way too long to take a gel. GU recomends 15min before you start and every 45min during training. If you waited that long, no wonder you felt that way. You need to keep a steady flow of carbohydrate coming in to keep you blood glucose levels up. |
| 2011-07-07 10:38 AM in reply to: #3584517 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 8:27 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:21 AM Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? I'm totally letting Bryan take this one . . . Actually, I think that's fine. Sometimes I'll have a GU Brew Recovery drink. Most often I have cocunut water. Rehydrate and get some elctrolyte and carbohydrate, a little protien. Just don't eat too much, that's the trap, and then just get on to your normal food routine. Someday try just having water and having a normal meal once your stomach settles down. The 20min window idea that's been so popular over the years is proving to not have a lot of science behind it. |
| 2011-07-07 11:03 AM in reply to: #3584660 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 11:38 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 8:27 AM Actually, I think that's fine. Sometimes I'll have a GU Brew Recovery drink. Most often I have cocunut water. Rehydrate and get some elctrolyte and carbohydrate, a little protien. Just don't eat too much, that's the trap, and then just get on to your normal food routine. Someday try just having water and having a normal meal once your stomach settles down. The 20min window idea that's been so popular over the years is proving to not have a lot of science behind it.carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:21 AM Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? I'm totally letting Bryan take this one . . . My only comment is that the first Receoverite is fine, but for me (seeing that Im still trying to get to race weight) I would the avoid the second and get back to my "real" foods as compared to fairly high carb drinks as soon as possible. I understand, however, that part of the issue is that your stomach is not happy. |
| 2011-07-07 11:04 AM in reply to: #3584654 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED No, No, No, I took the gel prior to the start and about every 25 minutes, but its in a flask so not a total gel every time. I probably felt that way cuz I hadn't done more than 10 miles in a month, and 13 in almost 2 months (cuz of injury), plus dehydration and maybe nutrition. And my body was not totally acclimated to the heat and it is SUPER humid out here. In about 3 hr 45 min, 16 miler, I probably had 8 fuel belt bottles with gatorade endurance, maybe a cup or two of water, and probably almost a full gel flask (smaller flask) and 1 gel packet at the beginning. |
| 2011-07-07 11:05 AM in reply to: #3584404 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:47 AMMaybe after we get Carrie sorted out we can have a go at my other favorite pet peeve, post workout recovery nutrition.... At least 1000 calories, all from dioxyribotoflavinoidals right? I do my long runs super early and don't have time to have a proper meal before hand. I usually warm up left over coffee and have a bite or 2 of a cereal bar. I take a gel ever 4 miles or so and 20 oz of sports drink per. I have run up to 15 miles on nothing but water and a slice of banana bread. I am not a model of training or nutrition perfection but I am a firm believer in eating real foods to the extent possible.Keep it simple: if you don't feel like eating for a 5 am run, bring an extra gu or a power bar, take a few bite when you feel hungry. I promise you, you will not bonk. |
| 2011-07-07 11:07 AM in reply to: #3584704 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED If you want to lean up fast, stop eating breakfast and do some more training in a fatsed state and with fewer caloires, assuming it's not a long or intensive session. Every morning you eat before training, you are spiking your blood insulin and are shutting down your fat oxidation. Once you do that, you have to keep providing carbohydrate/sugar to keep your energy elevated. If you start on an empty stomach and the effort isn't too intensive, your body will burn through stored glycogen first and then move to fat oxidation. |
| 2011-07-07 11:07 AM in reply to: #3584714 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-07 10:05 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 9:47 AMMaybe after we get Carrie sorted out we can have a go at my other favorite pet peeve, post workout recovery nutrition.... At least 1000 calories, all from dioxyribotoflavinoidals right? I do my long runs super early and don't have time to have a proper meal before hand. I usually warm up left over coffee and have a bite or 2 of a cereal bar. I take a gel ever 4 miles or so and 20 oz of sports drink per. I have run up to 15 miles on nothing but water and a slice of banana bread. I am not a model of training or nutrition perfection but I am a firm believer in eating real foods to the extent possible.Keep it simple: if you don't feel like eating for a 5 am run, bring an extra gu or a power bar, take a few bite when you feel hungry. I promise you, you will not bonk.Yep, well said. And although I love it, banana bread is NOT real food.  Edited by bryancd 2011-07-07 11:09 AM |
| 2011-07-07 11:09 AM in reply to: #3584417 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 9:51 AM Good advice on food banana a really easy on the stomach.uhcoog - 2011-07-07 9:44 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 8:29 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 6:35 AM I think I have found my pre-long run nutrition . . . plain bagel with peanut butter and honey on it. It is delicious and has the calories needed, but still don't know if I can put down a full bagel cuz it feels kind of heavy unless I eat 2 hrs prior. hhhmmm You actually may want to consider trying something a little less filling. You would be amazed how few calories you "need" to complete a workout, even a long run. In general, you can run upwards of 60min+ in just glycogen already in your lives and muscles when you wake up. It's been shown that general aerobic efforts, not higher intensity efforts, done on fewer calories stimulates out bodies fat oxidation much better. By having a lot of high calorie, hi glycemic index pre-training food, we spiuke our blood sugar and our metabolic efficicency is supressed. Just something to consider, but in general, most triathletes eat way too much pre-training.This is true. You may want to look at something low GI like old fashioned oats. The PB plus the honey is going to spike your insulin levels Oats = high fiber. Once again be careful. If you have a tough stomach, no problem, if you're like me, oats will rip your stomach apart (then again I know where every bathroom is on my normal run routes). Personally I think keeping it simple is best -- bananas, unsweetened applesuace, an english muffin with jelly. |
| 2011-07-07 11:10 AM in reply to: #3584709 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED I am asking so many questions beceause I have 18 miles this Saturday, so about 4 hours, and the low is supposed to be 70 and I have no idea if it will be humid. So I am trying to be as prepared as possible cuz the last few miles of the 16 were horrible . . . Thanks everyone for all of your thoughts, I am learning a ton! I am also going to change up the run/walk interval cuz the run portions were getting down to 10's and even into the 9's which I am sure played a part in this as my HR would not recover towards the end. So I will do a longer run, but will keep it slower. I will be a slave to my watch this weekend since things seems to go better when I do (HR & pace). Plus, I don't know my body enough to listen and know that even though I feel good now, that it won't affect things in 1-2 hrs . . . |
| 2011-07-07 11:12 AM in reply to: #3584660 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 11:38 AM Coconut water is gross. I think I'd hurl if I drank it after a long run. I go with a fruit smoothies with a scoop of whey protein and a good meal of real food.kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 8:27 AM Actually, I think that's fine. Sometimes I'll have a GU Brew Recovery drink. Most often I have cocunut water. Rehydrate and get some elctrolyte and carbohydrate, a little protien. Just don't eat too much, that's the trap, and then just get on to your normal food routine. Someday try just having water and having a normal meal once your stomach settles down. The 20min window idea that's been so popular over the years is proving to not have a lot of science behind it.carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:21 AM Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? I'm totally letting Bryan take this one . . . |
| 2011-07-07 11:13 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Got attacked by a crab while swimming today. I escaped. |
| 2011-07-07 11:16 AM in reply to: #3584732 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-07 11:12 AM bryancd - 2011-07-07 11:38 AM Coconut water is gross. I think I'd hurl if I drank it after a long run. I go with a fruit smoothies with a scoop of whey protein and a good meal of real food.kaburns1214 - 2011-07-07 8:27 AM Actually, I think that's fine. Sometimes I'll have a GU Brew Recovery drink. Most often I have cocunut water. Rehydrate and get some elctrolyte and carbohydrate, a little protien. Just don't eat too much, that's the trap, and then just get on to your normal food routine. Someday try just having water and having a normal meal once your stomach settles down. The 20min window idea that's been so popular over the years is proving to not have a lot of science behind it.carrie639 - 2011-07-07 10:21 AM Post workout - I use Hammer Recoverite, 1 immediately after the run, and if I still can't eat an hr or 2 after, another. Am I good on that one? I'm totally letting Bryan take this one . . . LOL but have to agree on the coconut water. The more I pull back my strength trainng the more I've been pulling back my cals on either side of my workouts (long or short). Generally low GI carbs for me (1/2c oats cooked in water) pre and coffee blended w/ whey protien post. Real meal takes place maybe an hour later. |
| 2011-07-07 11:17 AM in reply to: #3584733 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-07 11:13 AM Got attacked by a crab while swimming today. I escaped. Nice.
Oh my NASM texts showed yesterday. Feel like I'm back in school. |
| 2011-07-07 11:18 AM in reply to: #3584732 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-07 10:12 AM Coconut water is gross. I think I'd hurl if I drank it after a long run. I go with a fruit smoothies with a scoop of whey protein and a good meal of real food. Well, that's better then banana bread.. I actually make a smoothing with skim milk, some whey protein powder, 1 banana, and a handful of berries after really big training like, 4+ hours worth. But I have found that palin cocunut water followed by a regular meal a bit later is better for me training for Halfs. I stay lean and get rehydrated qiuckly. My wife hates cocunut water as well, but I love it. I down a liter of it after an afternoon training in the AZ heat. |
| 2011-07-07 11:26 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Bryan how big are you? Curious. |
| 2011-07-07 11:29 AM in reply to: #3584762 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-07 10:26 AM Bryan how big are you? Curious. 5'10", 161lbs. |
| 2011-07-07 11:33 AM in reply to: #3584727 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-07 12:10 PM Here is what I would do for an 18 miler if I had no time constraints. Wake up at least 2 hours before, have a light breakfast of a banana, some toast and coffee. Go running with 1 gel per 4 miles plus 1 extra, 20 oz of sports drink. Go run 18 miles, come home, have my recovery beverage of choice, stretch, shower, leg drain. Eat pancakes with berries, bananas chocolate chips (substitute applesauce for butter, add ground flax). Take nap.Hopefully you have an iPod of good music, or some friends and scenery, enjoyI am asking so many questions beceause I have 18 miles this Saturday, so about 4 hours, and the low is supposed to be 70 and I have no idea if it will be humid. So I am trying to be as prepared as possible cuz the last few miles of the 16 were horrible . . . Thanks everyone for all of your thoughts, I am learning a ton! I am also going to change up the run/walk interval cuz the run portions were getting down to 10's and even into the 9's which I am sure played a part in this as my HR would not recover towards the end. So I will do a longer run, but will keep it slower. I will be a slave to my watch this weekend since things seems to go better when I do (HR & pace). Plus, I don't know my body enough to listen and know that even though I feel good now, that it won't affect things in 1-2 hrs . . . |
| 2011-07-07 11:36 AM in reply to: #3584743 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 12:18 PM So you think my pre wo meal oaf a slice of zucchini bread and pb was lacking jsklarz - 2011-07-07 10:12 AMCoconut water is gross. I think I'd hurl if I drank it after a long run. I go with a fruit smoothies with a scoop of whey protein and a good meal of real food. Well, that's better then banana bread..I actually make a smoothing with skim milk, some whey protein powder, 1 banana, and a handful of berries after really big training like, 4+ hours worth. But I have found that palin cocunut water followed by a regular meal a bit later is better for me training for Halfs. I stay lean and get rehydrated qiuckly. My wife hates cocunut water as well, but I love it. I down a liter of it after an afternoon training in the AZ heat.Good smoothies recipeIf I had only coconut water to survive on I may be thinner than you. |
| 2011-07-07 11:38 AM in reply to: #3584781 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 11:29 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-07 10:26 AM Bryan how big are you? Curious. ......must....resist....easy....joke..... ROTFLMAO! 5'10", 161lbs.Goodness. Off my game today. Typical cal intake per day if you track?
jsklarz - 2011-07-07 11:33 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 12:10 PM Here is what I would do for an 18 miler if I had no time constraints. Wake up at least 2 hours before, have a light breakfast of a banana, some toast and coffee. Go running with 1 gel per 4 miles plus 1 extra, 20 oz of sports drink. Go run 18 miles, come home, have my recovery beverage of choice, stretch, shower, leg drain. Eat pancakes with berries, bananas chocolate chips (substitute applesauce for butter, add ground flax). Take nap.Hopefully you have an iPod of good music, or some friends and scenery, enjoyI am asking so many questions beceause I have 18 miles this Saturday, so about 4 hours, and the low is supposed to be 70 and I have no idea if it will be humid. So I am trying to be as prepared as possible cuz the last few miles of the 16 were horrible . . . Thanks everyone for all of your thoughts, I am learning a ton! I am also going to change up the run/walk interval cuz the run portions were getting down to 10's and even into the 9's which I am sure played a part in this as my HR would not recover towards the end. So I will do a longer run, but will keep it slower. I will be a slave to my watch this weekend since things seems to go better when I do (HR & pace). Plus, I don't know my body enough to listen and know that even though I feel good now, that it won't affect things in 1-2 hrs . . . Where's the beer and pizza? |
| 2011-07-07 11:40 AM in reply to: #3584794 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-07 12:38 PM Oh yeah 6 pack of beer and large pepperoni pie... Purely to restore glycogen stores and get so protein, pepperoni is a fabulous source of proteinbryancd - 2011-07-07 11:29 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-07 10:26 AM Bryan how big are you? Curious. ......must....resist....easy....joke..... ROTFLMAO! 5'10", 161lbs.Goodness. Off my game today. Typical cal intake per day if you track?
jsklarz - 2011-07-07 11:33 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-07 12:10 PM Here is what I would do for an 18 miler if I had no time constraints. Wake up at least 2 hours before, have a light breakfast of a banana, some toast and coffee. Go running with 1 gel per 4 miles plus 1 extra, 20 oz of sports drink. Go run 18 miles, come home, have my recovery beverage of choice, stretch, shower, leg drain. Eat pancakes with berries, bananas chocolate chips (substitute applesauce for butter, add ground flax). Take nap.Hopefully you have an iPod of good music, or some friends and scenery, enjoyI am asking so many questions beceause I have 18 miles this Saturday, so about 4 hours, and the low is supposed to be 70 and I have no idea if it will be humid. So I am trying to be as prepared as possible cuz the last few miles of the 16 were horrible . . . Thanks everyone for all of your thoughts, I am learning a ton! I am also going to change up the run/walk interval cuz the run portions were getting down to 10's and even into the 9's which I am sure played a part in this as my HR would not recover towards the end. So I will do a longer run, but will keep it slower. I will be a slave to my watch this weekend since things seems to go better when I do (HR & pace). Plus, I don't know my body enough to listen and know that even though I feel good now, that it won't affect things in 1-2 hrs . . . Where's the beer and pizza? |
| 2011-07-07 11:42 AM in reply to: #3584716 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 12:07 PMIf you want to lean up fast, stop eating breakfast and do some more training in a fatsed state and with fewer caloires, assuming it's not a long or intensive session. Every morning you eat before training, you are spiking your blood insulin and are shutting down your fat oxidation. Once you do that, you have to keep providing carbohydrate/sugar to keep your energy elevated. If you start on an empty stomach and the effort isn't too intensive, your body will burn through stored glycogen first and then move to fat oxidation. Jeez I train fasted almost every morning and haven't leaned up..... Oh I should stop over eating the rest of the day too? You triathletes and your fad diets. I am going back to chemicals and baconEdited by jsklarz 2011-07-07 11:42 AM |
| 2011-07-07 11:44 AM in reply to: #3584771 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-07 12:29 PM uhcoog - 2011-07-07 10:26 AM Bryan how big are you? Curious. ......must....resist....easy....joke..... ROTFLMAO! 5'10", 161lbs.Please, no pictures. |
| 2011-07-07 11:44 AM in reply to: #3584762 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-07 12:26 PMBryan how big are you? Curious. Scott - are running for congress? Please keep such conversations to Twitter |
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