Tebow! (Page 9)

powerman - 2012-01-03 9:40 PM

We will see if he can be a QB in the NFL.

Left Brain - 2012-01-03 10:16 PM

I believe we already have.  The Broncos wouldbe MUCH bettr served spending time working with Tebow as a fullback or tight end.  He can't play QB in thisleague....sorry.  I'm a fan of the guy, but he's no NFL QB, and never will be.  He's missing a skill set....period.  It's like trying to make an outfielder with a great arm a MLB pitcher....nope.

Left Brain - 2012-01-04 12:16 AM

I believe we already have.  The Broncos wouldbe MUCH bettr served spending time working with Tebow as a fullback or tight end.  He can't play QB in thisleague....sorry.  I'm a fan of the guy, but he's no NFL QB, and never will be.  He's missing a skill set....period.  It's like trying to make an outfielder with a great arm a MLB pitcher....nope.

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 11:56 AM

I don't believe I have. Not saying he can or can't based on what he's done so far. Then again, maybe I can. What's the ultimate goal of a QB? To win games? He's 7-2 in 9 games as a starter this year which is an improvement over his winning percentage as a starter last year. It the QB's goal to win the Super Bowl? They made the playoffs. Plenty of "better" QB's didn't.

Oh, and your baseball analogy is a bit off. Wasn't he a highly ranked High School QB? Didn't he lead his D1 college team to 2 national championships and win MVP in one as a  QB? Didn't he set a few collegiate QB records? Didn't Tim win some sort of national collegiate award while playing quarterback?  No one is trying to convert him to QB from a different position. Trying to turn an outfielder into a pitcher is more like trying to turn a QB into a tight end. 

uclamatt2007 - 2012-01-04 3:30 PM

Ooh I'll play. His record is actually 7-4 now after 2 miserable games in situations that really were must win for the Broncos. It appears as of teams have figured this scheme out after having some film on him. If you remember, the wildcat was very successful until teams were able to make adjustments against it. Now you rarely see any team running it excet as a trick play. As for Timmy being a Heisman winner, I can think of at least 2 QB winners who couldn't make it at the NFL level. One went on to play basketball and Eric Crouch lasted a season or 2 as a receiver. Being a good high school or college QB is nothing like playing in the NFL

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 2:56 PM

I don't believe I have. Not saying he can or can't based on what he's done so far. Then again, maybe I can. What's the ultimate goal of a QB? To win games? He's 7-2 in 9 games as a starter this year which is an improvement over his winning percentage as a starter last year. It the QB's goal to win the Super Bowl? They made the playoffs. Plenty of "better" QB's didn't.

Oh, and your baseball analogy is a bit off. Wasn't he a highly ranked High School QB? Didn't he lead his D1 college team to 2 national championships and win MVP in one as a  QB? Didn't he set a few collegiate QB records? Didn't Tim win some sort of national collegiate award while playing quarterback?  No one is trying to convert him to QB from a different position. Trying to turn an outfielder into a pitcher is more like trying to turn a QB into a tight end. 

TriRSquared - 2012-01-04 3:40 PM One thing to remember guys... he a ROOKIE!  Maybe he'll get better or maybe he won't but I think it's a bit early to be making decisions either way.  Brady did not do much better than Tebow in his second year (he only threw 3 passes his rookie year)

TriRSquared - 2012-01-04 1:40 PM One thing to remember guys... he a ROOKIE!  Maybe he'll get better or maybe he won't but I think it's a bit early to be making decisions either way.  Brady did not do much better than Tebow in his second year (he only threw 3 passes his rookie year)

Left Brain - 2012-01-04 1:55 PM I'm sorry, being a successful QB in High School and College doesn't necessarily translate to being a successful QB in the pros.....see the many examples already given.  My analogy of the baseball picture certainly fit in the instance because Tebow has NEVER had the skill set to be an NFL QB.  All of those weapons he has in his skill set are useful as an NFL QB....but without the ability to stand and throw from the pocket, and HE HAS NOT SHOWN HE CAN DO THAT AT ANY LEVEL, he will never be an NFL QB.  It's been tried.....it doesn't work.  This is not new ground. 

Cuetoy - 2012-01-04 1:34 PM

He is actually 6-4, and you are certainly right that the objective of a QB is to win games, but it is also to throw the ball and complete passes at a better rate than 50% which he can’t do.   The guy completed 46 % of his passes, and yes he gets a lot of credit for his “running” abilities but people failed to notice that he had as many fumbles as rushing TD.

What I find funny is that in the Tony Romo thread, a lot of the opinions are that he is mediocre at best, and Romo compared to Tebow seems like the love child of Marino and Elway with Aikman as the godfather.

powerman - 2012-01-04 4:02 PM

For anyone to make a hero out of him at this point is just as silly as you trying to make him a failure. He played 10 games... on a team with a new coaching staff, with mediocre recievers after the last coach got rid of the good ones, an OK offensive line and running back. Everyone was playing in a new system. Everyone was blowing routes and dropping passes. You can't just look at a 46% and declare failure. There is more to it than that and you know it.

Obviously if you take everything into account and you are still not impressed you are entitled to your opinion. But at this point you have just as much chance of being wrong as all the Tebow worshipers do.... 50/50.

powerman - 2012-01-04 3:54 PM

oh now you've done it....the word police will be all over you calling a second year player a rookie. 3.....2.....1

Cuetoy - 2012-01-04 4:14 PM

That is fair enough, with the only difference that numbers so far point more towards failure at the QB position than towards hero.  I agree with you that there is more to it than a 46% rate, but I wasn’t going to list every single reason why I think he will never be a good QB.

I don’t think that anyone that has watched football for a while and understands the game can objectively said that there is a 50% chance that Tebow becomes a good QB, but like you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Like I said previously in this thread, if he is a regular starter by the middle of next season I will resurrect this thread and say that I was wrong about the guy, which is a lot easier than the bet I have with my girlfriend who is a UF alumni and thinks Tebow has a chance of winning the superbowl. 

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 4:14 PM

you beat me to it there, powerboy

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 4:14 PM

you beat me to it there, powerboy

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 4:16 PM

 I just caught your location. Must be a 'canes fan. That explains a lot.

Cuetoy - 2012-01-04 4:17 PM

are you calling him a boy, does that mean that you think he will never be succesful at being a man?

rayd - 2012-01-04 2:58 PM

wrong already.  He currently is an NFL QB.

Some of you guys really crack me up! 

Cuetoy - 2012-01-04 2:14 PM

Like I said previously in this thread, if he is a regular starter by the middle of next season I will resurrect this thread and say that I was wrong about the guy, which is a lot easier than the bet I have with my girlfriend who is a UF alumni and thinks Tebow has a chance of winning the superbowl. 

mrbbrad - 2012-01-04 2:20 PM

 

Boy, man; what's the difference? Words don't have to have actual meaning