kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED (Page 9)

I have a question too.  For those that ride a trainer -

I just recently started using my tri bike on the trainer, I resisted for a long time and just had my road bike set up on there.  Since I'm doing a lot more trainer rides I figured I better start using the bike I'm going to race with.  So, my question is, am I think only one that can't get comfortable in aero position on a trainer?  I have been so uncomfortable, I have to stand up and move around, settle back down, stand up again in 10 minutes, repeat.  Yet when I'm outside riding I could be aero for hours so I know it's not the set up.  I'm just not comfortable on the trainer.  I thought it might be the riser block I have for the front tire.  I dropped it from the highest to the lowest, and that helped some but I'm still not comfortable.

Anyone else get uncomfortable?

I have a question too.  For those that ride a trainer -

I just recently started using my tri bike on the trainer, I resisted for a long time and just had my road bike set up on there.  Since I'm doing a lot more trainer rides I figured I better start using the bike I'm going to race with.  So, my question is, am I think only one that can't get comfortable in aero position on a trainer?  I have been so uncomfortable, I have to stand up and move around, settle back down, stand up again in 10 minutes, repeat.  Yet when I'm outside riding I could be aero for hours so I know it's not the set up.  I'm just not comfortable on the trainer.  I thought it might be the riser block I have for the front tire.  I dropped it from the highest to the lowest, and that helped some but I'm still not comfortable.

Anyone else get uncomfortable?

Morning, all!  Yesterday was crazy.  Finally got to the pool at 7:30 and didn't leave the gym until 9:30.  Up at 5 for a Z1 trainer ride, and then I'll have to squeeze in a run sometime this morning. 

My pulmonologist started me on Advair, and I'm curious as to how this will affect my HR the next couple weeks.  Picking up the disc later.  We'll see.  

The position of the bike to the ground is different on the trainer than it is on the road (even if you use riser blocks) so aero feels different on the trainer compared to the road.  I almost never ride aero on the trainer.  As long as you're going to have plenty of time to ride outside before Vineman (which you will) I wouldn't worry aboutn staying aero in your trainer sessions in April. 

I have a question too.  For those that ride a trainer -

I just recently started using my tri bike on the trainer, I resisted for a long time and just had my road bike set up on there.  Since I'm doing a lot more trainer rides I figured I better start using the bike I'm going to race with.  So, my question is, am I think only one that can't get comfortable in aero position on a trainer?  I have been so uncomfortable, I have to stand up and move around, settle back down, stand up again in 10 minutes, repeat.  Yet when I'm outside riding I could be aero for hours so I know it's not the set up.  I'm just not comfortable on the trainer.  I thought it might be the riser block I have for the front tire.  I dropped it from the highest to the lowest, and that helped some but I'm still not comfortable.

Anyone else get uncomfortable?

Another HR question for Kelly, and probably a silly question but...

I get you post on ZR, Z1 & Z2, thanks for explaining that.  I agree it's simpler to not have 5 zones.  But, how would you suggest setting up the zones on BT?  I set mine up based on your calculations from the test I did.  But I also felt like I needed to enter in a Z3, Z4, etc.  So I did, and just made each zone about 10 bpm.  If I only put in through Z2 then any time my HR goes over (yes, I know I'm not supposed to) it will not capture that in the graphs.  Should I leave them as is, or make Z3 the last one that picks up where Z2 left off, and put the top of that zone at 200 or some # that I know I'll never go over?

Not sure that's clear, so here's what I currently have set up on BT - should Z3 be 165 - 200 instead of how I have it below?

I have a question since we are on heart rate. The half marathon I just ran my average HR was 170 and for the second half it was 175. I really feel like without the knot in the calf it probably would have been closer to 178-180 for the second half. But for the sake of argument lets use the 175. How would you set up your zones?

Current I use for running:

Recovery: 110-123

Z1: 124-136

Z2 137-153

Z3 154-163

Z4 164-175

Z5 176-190

I've hit over 200 before but use 190 as a point I've maintain.

For the bike I use:

Recovery 103-117

Z1 118-131

Z2 132-144

Z3 145-155

Z4 156-167

Z5 168-182

I've also hit 200 on the bike but I've maintained 182 for a distance.

I know these are probably close but there's so many formulas and methods I always question if it's right.

Another HR question for Kelly, and probably a silly question but...

I get you post on ZR, Z1 & Z2, thanks for explaining that.  I agree it's simpler to not have 5 zones.  But, how would you suggest setting up the zones on BT?  I set mine up based on your calculations from the test I did.  But I also felt like I needed to enter in a Z3, Z4, etc.  So I did, and just made each zone about 10 bpm.  If I only put in through Z2 then any time my HR goes over (yes, I know I'm not supposed to) it will not capture that in the graphs.  Should I leave them as is, or make Z3 the last one that picks up where Z2 left off, and put the top of that zone at 200 or some # that I know I'll never go over?

Not sure that's clear, so here's what I currently have set up on BT - should Z3 be 165 - 200 instead of how I have it below?

Usually your average HR for the entire half marathon is about 5 bpm above the top of what I call Z2 (usually a half marathon will start at the top of Z2 and maintain pace while allowing he HR to drift upward).  So if you use that formula, the top of your Z2 (tempo) would be about 165.  Working backwards, the top of your Z1 would be about 155, with a Z1 range of about 141-155 or so.  Usually I wont use a half marathon to set HR zones, but rather to corroborate HR zones that were set with a shorter LT test. 

What really matters is that you use HR to make sure that your easy workouts are easy and that your hard work outs are hard.  Exact numbers aren't super important. 

Just using your half marathon data, I would say most of your aerobic training should be in the 141-155 zone, your tempo work in the 156-166 zone and then intervals/speed work at your best sustainable pace regardless of heart rate.

Good luck.

 I did three hours on the trainer on a day where the legs didn't want to do it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who plays the mental games to keep on making it 5 more minutes at at time.

At least your done!  I've got 3:45 on the trainer and I have not started yet.  Drinking coffee, surfing the net, procrastinating...

I'm going to try moving my bike into a different room in the basement where the big big screen TV is and try watching movies.  I had a little TV in the other room, but it's hard to hear so I usually just listened to music.  Wish me luck!