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 2011-07-13 6:28 AM in reply to: #3594013 |
 New Haven, CT |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSEDjarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html |
| 2011-07-13 6:30 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED long swim this morning and some short bike intervals later. I go home tomorrow, so sad. |
| 2011-07-13 7:49 AM in reply to: #3593985 |
Master  1832    Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Great bike, but maybe put a cushy saddle on it? |
| 2011-07-13 7:52 AM in reply to: #3594013 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED I have been on the Galloway plan for weeks now because of constant injuries. I have gotten up to 18 miles this past weekend and I find that plan with the walk breaks keeps me from getting more injuries, is much easier on the body and I can actually run faster, longer. I currently do a 2:1 ratio, so on 18 miles, I still ran 12 of them. I do all my other shorter runs running though because I plan on running halfs, but this works for my marathon training right now. |
| 2011-07-13 8:14 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Solid 45 minutes of swimming today. Form was good until I started to tire. ST circuits for legs afterward and then some really nice stretching. |
| 2011-07-13 10:08 AM in reply to: #3594114 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-13 6:52 AM I have been on the Galloway plan for weeks now because of constant injuries. I have gotten up to 18 miles this past weekend and I find that plan with the walk breaks keeps me from getting more injuries, is much easier on the body and I can actually run faster, longer. I currently do a 2:1 ratio, so on 18 miles, I still ran 12 of them. I do all my other shorter runs running though because I plan on running halfs, but this works for my marathon training right now. You may want to consider what was causimng your injuries in the first place. It's often too much, too soon, too fast, not simply "running". |
| 2011-07-13 10:10 AM in reply to: #3594378 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-13 10:08 AM carrie639 - 2011-07-13 6:52 AM You may want to consider what was causimng your injuries in the first place. It's often too much, too soon, too fast, not simply "running".I have been on the Galloway plan for weeks now because of constant injuries. I have gotten up to 18 miles this past weekend and I find that plan with the walk breaks keeps me from getting more injuries, is much easier on the body and I can actually run faster, longer. I currently do a 2:1 ratio, so on 18 miles, I still ran 12 of them. I do all my other shorter runs running though because I plan on running halfs, but this works for my marathon training right now. This is how I ended up with ITBS in both legs. Too much, too soon, with poor form. |
| 2011-07-13 12:14 PM in reply to: #3594384 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Yep, I had IT problems from tightness and not rolling . . . discovered weak glutes and hammies as well . . . and yes all from probably too much too soon last fall. The galloway plan is still alot easier on your body though. I went to the Galloway plan because I am still working through a lingering hip flexor injury. This method seems to cause the least amount of stress to the hip flexor as I continue to work it out so my season is not totally trashed. |
| 2011-07-13 12:20 PM in reply to: #3593980 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 4:12 AM OK in other words just suck it up and swim-LOL Probably the best thing to do. If I am cold I will be wondering where those hot flashes are when I really need oneArtist - 2011-07-12 10:29 PM karen26.2 - 2011-07-12 8:02 PM swimming startArtist - 2011-07-12 9:38 PM ok going to ask again-any tips for cold water swimming? Last report I could get is reservoir at 56 I think you just gotta get in and GO! Is it a run start? If yes, I would try to get in just before. It seems when you get in cold water and get out, it seems warmer when you do have to get back in. Other than that I've got nuttin! You'll be fine. Can't wait to hear all about it! 56 is COLD. I would at least wear double swim caps (or a squid lid if you have one)band just go in and go hard. Although the cold doesn't affect some people. At IMCDA (water temps were 55-ish) Tim Snow went with a sleeveless wetsuit:
Unless the air temp is really warm, I would also have a long sleeve shirt to pull on in T1 to use on the bike to help me warm up. |
| 2011-07-13 12:23 PM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Could also just use arm warmers if you have them in T1. Just a thought. |
| 2011-07-13 12:27 PM in reply to: #3594033 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-13 7:28 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html Did a 5:1 ratio today, and it worked out great. I will probably phase out the walk breaks once I'm done with tris for the season. I just feel like 14-18 mile runs take too much out of my legs right now, when I have triathlons every other weekend for the next 6 weeks. So, yes, no speedwork for me right now. Lots of hills. |
| 2011-07-13 12:29 PM in reply to: #3594618 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Artist - 2011-07-13 1:20 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 4:12 AM OK in other words just suck it up and swim-LOL Probably the best thing to do. If I am cold I will be wondering where those hot flashes are when I really need oneArtist - 2011-07-12 10:29 PM karen26.2 - 2011-07-12 8:02 PM swimming startArtist - 2011-07-12 9:38 PM ok going to ask again-any tips for cold water swimming? Last report I could get is reservoir at 56 I think you just gotta get in and GO! Is it a run start? If yes, I would try to get in just before. It seems when you get in cold water and get out, it seems warmer when you do have to get back in. Other than that I've got nuttin! You'll be fine. Can't wait to hear all about it! 56 is COLD. I would at least wear double swim caps (or a squid lid if you have one)band just go in and go hard. Although the cold doesn't affect some people. At IMCDA (water temps were 55-ish) Tim Snow went with a sleeveless wetsuit:
Unless the air temp is really warm, I would also have a long sleeve shirt to pull on in T1 to use on the bike to help me warm up. The water was 70 at my tri last weekend. I chose to leave the wetsuit at home but totally wished I had it once I got in that water. It was freezing!!! I don't want to think about lower temps.... Do you have a full sleeve wetsuit? |
| 2011-07-13 12:30 PM in reply to: #3594637 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 12:27 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-13 7:28 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html Did a 5:1 ratio today, and it worked out great. I will probably phase out the walk breaks once I'm done with tris for the season. I just feel like 14-18 mile runs take too much out of my legs right now, when I have triathlons every other weekend for the next 6 weeks. So, yes, no speedwork for me right now. Lots of hills. Races every other weekend????? I am so envious. |
| 2011-07-13 12:37 PM in reply to: #3594647 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-13 1:30 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 12:27 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-13 7:28 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html Did a 5:1 ratio today, and it worked out great. I will probably phase out the walk breaks once I'm done with tris for the season. I just feel like 14-18 mile runs take too much out of my legs right now, when I have triathlons every other weekend for the next 6 weeks. So, yes, no speedwork for me right now. Lots of hills. Races every other weekend????? I am so envious. Yeah, the next one is another smallish local one (though bigger than the last), then I have the Cleveland Tri, which is pretty big, and then the Chicago Tri. When is your next one? |
| 2011-07-13 12:41 PM in reply to: #3594663 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 12:37 PM uhcoog - 2011-07-13 1:30 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 12:27 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-13 7:28 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html Did a 5:1 ratio today, and it worked out great. I will probably phase out the walk breaks once I'm done with tris for the season. I just feel like 14-18 mile runs take too much out of my legs right now, when I have triathlons every other weekend for the next 6 weeks. So, yes, no speedwork for me right now. Lots of hills. Races every other weekend????? I am so envious. Yeah, the next one is another smallish local one (though bigger than the last), then I have the Cleveland Tri, which is pretty big, and then the Chicago Tri. When is your next one?
August 8th. It's a sprint, but with 1400 entries |
Then maybe a smaller Oly the last weekend of August. Then we go to Italy for 2 weeks for a friend's wedding/our 10th anny. Then 70.3 in Austin October 23rd. Gonna be busy.| 2011-07-13 1:20 PM in reply to: #3594642 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 11:29 AM Artist - 2011-07-13 1:20 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 4:12 AM OK in other words just suck it up and swim-LOL Probably the best thing to do. If I am cold I will be wondering where those hot flashes are when I really need oneArtist - 2011-07-12 10:29 PM karen26.2 - 2011-07-12 8:02 PM swimming startArtist - 2011-07-12 9:38 PM ok going to ask again-any tips for cold water swimming? Last report I could get is reservoir at 56 I think you just gotta get in and GO! Is it a run start? If yes, I would try to get in just before. It seems when you get in cold water and get out, it seems warmer when you do have to get back in. Other than that I've got nuttin! You'll be fine. Can't wait to hear all about it! 56 is COLD. I would at least wear double swim caps (or a squid lid if you have one)band just go in and go hard. Although the cold doesn't affect some people. At IMCDA (water temps were 55-ish) Tim Snow went with a sleeveless wetsuit:
Unless the air temp is really warm, I would also have a long sleeve shirt to pull on in T1 to use on the bike to help me warm up. The water was 70 at my tri last weekend. I chose to leave the wetsuit at home but totally wished I had it once I got in that water. It was freezing!!! I don't want to think about lower temps.... Do you have a full sleeve wetsuit? [/QUOTEyes I have a full wet suit, but no arm warmers. air Temp here in town (5700) will reach 90s on sat so up at Scofield (7800) it will be in 80's so hopefully I should warm up quick. I am in the last to swim, fat old lady, heat anyway. Maybe everyone else will have peed enough in the water by then to raisethe temp up even more. |
| 2011-07-13 1:55 PM in reply to: #3436066 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED It is totally sad that I don't mind not racing at all right now and for the next several weeks? I am really loving not having to get up at 3-4am for races and travel. It is kind of nice!!! I got out when I feel like it . . . which is usually still early since I don't sleep much past 5am . . . |
| 2011-07-13 1:57 PM in reply to: #3436066 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Water was really calm this morning, so swam from buoy to buoy, parrallel to shore. I paced the distance on the beach, and it was roughly 150 yards. I'd say half the time i was breathing well, every fourth stroke, samed side, the other half, had my head above water. I'll be putting a ton more time in the pool over the next three weeks once I get back from Cape Cod. First Tri is August 7th. I have no problem making the distance, just not with great form. Estimated about 1,000 yards today. |
| 2011-07-13 2:00 PM in reply to: #3594609 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED carrie639 - 2011-07-13 11:14 AM Yep, I had IT problems from tightness and not rolling . . . discovered weak glutes and hammies as well . . . and yes all from probably too much too soon last fall. The galloway plan is still alot easier on your body though Yes it is and you know why? Becuase it's a pacing startegy. That's somethging you can do as run/walk or just run. |
| 2011-07-13 4:11 PM in reply to: #3436066 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED I certainly hope this stormy weather clears out of here. Got a 12 miler in under blue skies before another thunderstorm rolled in. We had a second lightning fatality on two days. Yesterday a hiker just a few mile south of here, today a 12 year old boy scout up at Scofield reservoir. This weather just plain sucks |
| 2011-07-13 4:59 PM in reply to: #3594906 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-13 3:00 PM carrie639 - 2011-07-13 11:14 AM Yes it is and you know why? Becuase it's a pacing startegy. That's somethging you can do as run/walk or just run.Yep, I had IT problems from tightness and not rolling . . . discovered weak glutes and hammies as well . . . and yes all from probably too much too soon last fall. The galloway plan is still alot easier on your body though What do you mean Bryan? As I start to ramp up miles for my IM, I'm contemplating switching to a run/walk. I tried that last year for Louisville, trained that way all summer. But race day I just couldn't do it. (Although I ended up walking over half of it anyway, but that was more because of horrible blisters, not because I couldn't run anymore.) So, should I just continue with running, but at a lower intensity for the weekend long run? |
| 2011-07-13 7:21 PM in reply to: #3595309 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED karen26.2 - 2011-07-13 3:59 PM So, should I just continue with running, but at a lower intensity for the weekend long run? Yes.  The majority of run injuries are attributable to running too hard or too long on not enough run fitness to support it. Form has very little to do with it. We all run the way we run, changes can be made, but they are incremental and small. You are born knowing how to run and with the biomechanics you have. Blisters aside, most people end up walking an Ironman because one of two culprits: Biked too hard or lack run fitness to complete a marathon after a 2.4 mile swim and 112 mile bike. Ironman isn't hard, TRAINING properly for it is, however. I know noting about your personal experience, history, ability, and how you have been training, so I am not making any recommendations, I am simply making a point that is often lost in excuses, marketing, and athlete denial...which is not a river in Egypt.  |
| 2011-07-13 8:09 PM in reply to: #3595451 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED " most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. |
| 2011-07-13 9:37 PM in reply to: #3595484 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 7:09 PM " most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. A worthy goal and one which requires a level of training similar and very different from training to run a marathon. It's odd that way. |
| 2011-07-14 6:45 AM in reply to: #3595569 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-13 10:37 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 7:09 PM A worthy goal and one which requires a level of training similar and very different from training to run a marathon. It's odd that way." most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. Could you explain that, please? Sorry, I'm a complete noob when it comes to all this stuff, but I'm curious. |
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