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 2011-07-14 6:50 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Extreme Veteran  3020  |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSEDI was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? |
| 2011-07-14 7:26 AM in reply to: #3595766 |
Champion 9600    Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 5:45 AM bryancd - 2011-07-13 10:37 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 7:09 PM A worthy goal and one which requires a level of training similar and very different from training to run a marathon. It's odd that way." most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. Could you explain that, please? Sorry, I'm a complete noob when it comes to all this stuff, but I'm curious. In a word: Fatigue. Running an open marathon to the best of your ability is a very painful affair. Becuase the intensity is, or should be, so high, it's a real challenge to hold it together over the last 10K. But that's because you are working in a more anerobic zone of effort. By the time you get to the run in an IM, you are very fatigued and even though you are running at a more aerobic effort. Instead of sharp pain in your legs, your legs feel so heaviy you just start to go slower, and slower, and slower. The trick is to not slow down too much. Forget trying to negative split, it's more about survival. When I train for an open marathon, I train for both the distance and the pace, which is much more aggressive. When i train for an IM run, I often will run when fatigued in an effort to acclimate to it. It sort of works but very little can prepare you for how you are going to feel for that run. |
| 2011-07-14 8:44 AM in reply to: #3595772 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 5:50 AM I struggle to get motivated as well after my "window" has passed. Seems like this season there is so much that has come up right when I am most motivated to train-ie; storms, grandkids needing to be places, newspapre deadlines and meetings.I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? |
| 2011-07-14 8:51 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. |
| 2011-07-14 8:56 AM in reply to: #3595802 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED bryancd - 2011-07-14 8:26 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 5:45 AM In a word: Fatigue. Running an open marathon to the best of your ability is a very painful affair. Becuase the intensity is, or should be, so high, it's a real challenge to hold it together over the last 10K. But that's because you are working in a more anerobic zone of effort. By the time you get to the run in an IM, you are very fatigued and even though you are running at a more aerobic effort. Instead of sharp pain in your legs, your legs feel so heaviy you just start to go slower, and slower, and slower. The trick is to not slow down too much. Forget trying to negative split, it's more about survival. When I train for an open marathon, I train for both the distance and the pace, which is much more aggressive. When i train for an IM run, I often will run when fatigued in an effort to acclimate to it. It sort of works but very little can prepare you for how you are going to feel for that run. bryancd - 2011-07-13 10:37 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 7:09 PM A worthy goal and one which requires a level of training similar and very different from training to run a marathon. It's odd that way." most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. Could you explain that, please? Sorry, I'm a complete noob when it comes to all this stuff, but I'm curious. Its the reason all of my long runs are on Sundays after a long bike on Saturday and then another bike pre-run on Sunday. The whole point of those runs is to get through them while keeping my HR up. The problem lots of people have with IMs (and HIMs too) is that they go too hard on the bike and aren't able to run to their ability on the run. In an IM "gaining" 10 or 15 extra minutes on the bike will likely cst you 30-45 minutes on the run. Take Shaun, for example, at IMFL in 2009 he biked a 5:30 and then was so cooked that he walked the entire marathon (a 6 hr plus run time). The "extra" 30 minutes he gained on the bike probably cost him 90 minutes on the run.
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| 2011-07-14 8:56 AM in reply to: #3595977 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. At St. Anthony's there were 40. |
| 2011-07-14 8:58 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED
Finally in green after yesterday's sprint stage. I was late to work this morning just to watch the intermediate sprint. |
| 2011-07-14 9:06 AM in reply to: #3595983 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 8:56 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. At St. Anthony's there were 40. This is a local sprint though. 1400 folks on a 500/13.5/3.65 mile course. I ride the roads this thing is on every week. The two uturns are going to be a bit crazy. |
| 2011-07-14 9:16 AM in reply to: #3596011 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 10:06 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 8:56 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. At St. Anthony's there were 40. This is a local sprint though. 1400 folks on a 500/13.5/3.65 mile course. I ride the roads this thing is on every week. The two uturns are going to be a bit crazy. Thats a short swim too. Not a lot to brreak people up -- I'm hoping the bike is a single loop. I've rarely seen RDs allow more than 500 or so people in a sprint. |
| 2011-07-14 9:19 AM in reply to: #3596028 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 9:16 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 10:06 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 8:56 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. At St. Anthony's there were 40. This is a local sprint though. 1400 folks on a 500/13.5/3.65 mile course. I ride the roads this thing is on every week. The two uturns are going to be a bit crazy. Thats a short swim too. Not a lot to brreak people up -- I'm hoping the bike is a single loop. I've rarely seen RDs allow more than 500 or so people in a sprint. That's the length most sprint swims are in town. It is a single loop. The RD is a pretty ambitious guy who wants to get Houston on par with more established triathlon cities ASAP. I get what he's doing I just hope it's not a total mess out there. Here's the link to the race guide. http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/943fc46f#/943fc46f/1 |
| 2011-07-14 10:01 AM in reply to: #3596040 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 10:19 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 9:16 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 10:06 AM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 8:56 AM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. At St. Anthony's there were 40. This is a local sprint though. 1400 folks on a 500/13.5/3.65 mile course. I ride the roads this thing is on every week. The two uturns are going to be a bit crazy. Thats a short swim too. Not a lot to brreak people up -- I'm hoping the bike is a single loop. I've rarely seen RDs allow more than 500 or so people in a sprint. That's the length most sprint swims are in town. It is a single loop. The RD is a pretty ambitious guy who wants to get Houston on par with more established triathlon cities ASAP. I get what he's doing I just hope it's not a total mess out there. Here's the link to the race guide. http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/943fc46f#/943fc46f/1 Interesting. I have a different philosophy on race directing (although I'm currently working on my race's web pages to make them look more professional). I'm seriously contemplating RDing a tri next year. |
| 2011-07-14 10:03 AM in reply to: #3595772 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? For the hip and glute have you tired hot yoga (this is my new obsession)? When I was having back/hip issues my massage therapist recommended it and I started going. Its done wonders for my body (and its a really good core workout). |
| 2011-07-14 10:20 AM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED LOVE yoga for my hips, upper quads, and glutes. Even if you just go for a few sessions and steal some of the poses to incorporate into your normal stretching routine it would be worth it. |
| 2011-07-14 10:31 AM in reply to: #3596028 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED Ah, we have a couple sprints out by me that have 1000-1500-2000 people and the swim is in something similar to a quarry with lane dividers and they send you off every couple of minutes. The run in is horrible cuz you only have about 2-3 pool lanes width and the first turn around is almost an all out fight, then it thins, but you get people walking the turnarounds. Nice thing is the bike and run courses are totally closed. There are about 30 waves in these races with about 30-40 in each wave. One of these is a women's only and they are totally brutal in the water regardless of ability!!! |
| 2011-07-14 12:23 PM in reply to: #3594637 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 1:27 PM Your races are speed work. Even then no need to do traditional speed work, pick up are plenty. Get in the volume. You have done a lot in your first year and a Mary to end the year is a big race. Dont forget to recover - that is when you get stronger.jsklarz - 2011-07-13 7:28 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-13 7:04 AM 12 mile long run this morning and then speed day at pool tonight. Ick. I added the Towpath marathon to my schedule (Oct. 9). The race runs in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's beautiful! I have 7 more weeks of triathlon training, and then my tri season is over for the year. I don't want to get hurt trying to do these long runs, when the triathlons are more important to me. I think I'm going to incorporate some walk breaks into these long runs to reduce chance of injury, then I'll get rid of them after my oly tri. I'm not going for a time goal at the Towpath...just running it the first time. I know Paul and Terry are racing this weekend. Anyone else? Look at Galloways plans, he is the guru to run/walk a mary. The key to running is increase slowly, 10% rule. Also, your long runs should be slow (1-2 minutes per mile slower than goal race pace). No need for speed work, just find a hill and every week run up and down it until you hate life. Link to Galloway's site: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon.html Did a 5:1 ratio today, and it worked out great. I will probably phase out the walk breaks once I'm done with tris for the season. I just feel like 14-18 mile runs take too much out of my legs right now, when I have triathlons every other weekend for the next 6 weeks. So, yes, no speedwork for me right now. Lots of hills. |
| 2011-07-14 12:29 PM in reply to: #3595772 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I find it nearly impossible to train at night. My days start between 430/5 and by the time I get home around 630/7 I am cooked. I will sometimes workout at night but try to avoid it. Don't be afraid of a day off if you need one. I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? |
| 2011-07-14 12:33 PM in reply to: #3595982 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 9:56 AM X3 as to what Kelly and Bryan are saying - no IMs here but my legs start getting very heavy after about 18 miles. I have the lung fitness as my HR is not an issue. Its the legs an d that is a lack of volume. Long and slow is a good way to cook legs.bryancd - 2011-07-14 8:26 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 5:45 AM In a word: Fatigue. Running an open marathon to the best of your ability is a very painful affair. Becuase the intensity is, or should be, so high, it's a real challenge to hold it together over the last 10K. But that's because you are working in a more anerobic zone of effort. By the time you get to the run in an IM, you are very fatigued and even though you are running at a more aerobic effort. Instead of sharp pain in your legs, your legs feel so heaviy you just start to go slower, and slower, and slower. The trick is to not slow down too much. Forget trying to negative split, it's more about survival. When I train for an open marathon, I train for both the distance and the pace, which is much more aggressive. When i train for an IM run, I often will run when fatigued in an effort to acclimate to it. It sort of works but very little can prepare you for how you are going to feel for that run. bryancd - 2011-07-13 10:37 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-07-13 7:09 PM A worthy goal and one which requires a level of training similar and very different from training to run a marathon. It's odd that way." most people end up walking an Ironman" I have one goal for IMLP, bike so that I can RUN the marathon. Could you explain that, please? Sorry, I'm a complete noob when it comes to all this stuff, but I'm curious. Its the reason all of my long runs are on Sundays after a long bike on Saturday and then another bike pre-run on Sunday. The whole point of those runs is to get through them while keeping my HR up. The problem lots of people have with IMs (and HIMs too) is that they go too hard on the bike and aren't able to run to their ability on the run. In an IM "gaining" 10 or 15 extra minutes on the bike will likely cst you 30-45 minutes on the run. Take Shaun, for example, at IMFL in 2009 he biked a 5:30 and then was so cooked that he walked the entire marathon (a 6 hr plus run time). The "extra" 30 minutes he gained on the bike probably cost him 90 minutes on the run.
Edited by jsklarz 2011-07-14 12:34 PM |
| 2011-07-14 2:37 PM in reply to: #3596540 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-07-14 12:29 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I find it nearly impossible to train at night. My days start between 430/5 and by the time I get home around 630/7 I am cooked. I will sometimes workout at night but try to avoid it. Don't be afraid of a day off if you need one. I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? Amen bro. 4:20 alarm and I'm done once the kids go down. I'm lucky if I get a show or two in with the wife. |
| 2011-07-14 2:38 PM in reply to: #3436066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED So with the Fuel Belt...... bottles in the fridge or freezer? |
| 2011-07-14 3:17 PM in reply to: #3596788 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 3:38 PM So with the Fuel Belt...... bottles in the fridge or freezer? Freezer |
| 2011-07-14 3:29 PM in reply to: #3596176 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-07-14 11:03 AM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? For the hip and glute have you tired hot yoga (this is my new obsession)? When I was having back/hip issues my massage therapist recommended it and I started going. Its done wonders for my body (and its a really good core workout). Never tried hot yoga (only ever did postpartum yoga for mamas). I want to try something different from s/b/r once the tri season is over, and I'm thinking of starting pilates or yoga. Perhaps I'll give hot yoga a try. I'm also going to spend a significant amount of time strength training and doing core work. I have some serious muscle weaknesses from having so many kids so quickly. Anyway, are you keeping up with the yoga now that your injuries have healed? |
| 2011-07-14 3:30 PM in reply to: #3595977 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 9:51 AM Holy cow there are 16 waves in my next race. That bike course ought to be a blast
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| 2011-07-14 3:32 PM in reply to: #3596786 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-07-14 3:37 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-14 12:29 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I find it nearly impossible to train at night. My days start between 430/5 and by the time I get home around 630/7 I am cooked. I will sometimes workout at night but try to avoid it. Don't be afraid of a day off if you need one. I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? Amen bro. 4:20 alarm and I'm done once the kids go down. I'm lucky if I get a show or two in with the wife. I fall asleep on the couch most night at 9. So lame. My husband says I'll be going to bed at 8 with the kids next summer, when I'm training for HIM distance. LOL |
| 2011-07-14 3:44 PM in reply to: #3596881 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 3:32 PM uhcoog - 2011-07-14 3:37 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-14 12:29 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I find it nearly impossible to train at night. My days start between 430/5 and by the time I get home around 630/7 I am cooked. I will sometimes workout at night but try to avoid it. Don't be afraid of a day off if you need one. I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? Amen bro. 4:20 alarm and I'm done once the kids go down. I'm lucky if I get a show or two in with the wife. I fall asleep on the couch most night at 9. So lame. My husband says I'll be going to bed at 8 with the kids next summer, when I'm training for HIM distance. LOL
You'll want to. Trust me. |
| 2011-07-14 7:26 PM in reply to: #3596881 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 4:32 PM I generally fall asleep with a kid after booksYoga - my wife does tons of yoga, that and hiking a her primary forms of exercise. I do it sometimes. For bikrum (hot) yoga make sure you go to a real bikrum studio, otherwise it's just ashtanga or vinyasa in a hot room and you won't get the benefits of the bikrum method. I personally think yoga is likely the best method of exercise you ccan do, particularly a good power yoga class. You work the enti body using body weight and stretching. 90 minutes of power yoga and and you will hurt. It's also a great core workout. Off season I try and do yoga or pilates also good, 2x week. I do not like spooky-witchy yoga where you chant , hold hands and breathe, and speak in sanskrit which is big in bikrum, hence a reason I don't do it. It's all about the instructor. This off season I think I'm going to do a lot of bike training and cross fituhcoog - 2011-07-14 3:37 PM jsklarz - 2011-07-14 12:29 PM jarvy01 - 2011-07-14 7:50 AM I find it nearly impossible to train at night. My days start between 430/5 and by the time I get home around 630/7 I am cooked. I will sometimes workout at night but try to avoid it. Don't be afraid of a day off if you need one. I was supposed to meet my mother on Friday to get my middle 2 kids. Yesterday she called and said Madge has been crying a lot for me. We had to move the switch to this morning, so I get to drive 3 hours today. Hooray! LOL Funny that she's been crying for me when it seems like she hates me lately. I mean, she tells me she hates me at least 3 times a day (yes, my 4 year old is a DIVA). Hip and glute feel a little strained today. I'm going to have to run easy the next couple week. An injury would really suck right now. I might hit the pool for a long swim after I get the kids in bed tonight, but we'll see. I'm really unmotivated to workout after 8 p.m. Anyone else feel that way? Amen bro. 4:20 alarm and I'm done once the kids go down. I'm lucky if I get a show or two in with the wife. I fall asleep on the couch most night at 9. So lame. My husband says I'll be going to bed at 8 with the kids next summer, when I'm training for HIM distance. LOL |
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