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 2011-12-23 6:07 PM in reply to: #3951921 |
Master 2460   |  Subject: RE: Real Swim CritiqueFastyellow - 2011-12-23 5:52 PM jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be.
Holy c**p. I feel like having a heart attack just watching your current stroke rate. Gerry Rodriguez (of UCLA) would probably laugh hysterically if he saw my race stroke rate - even though to me it seems pretty similar to most folks swimming in the pools I go to.
Anybody here turning the arms over faster than Dusty? Just curious. |
| 2011-12-23 6:18 PM in reply to: #3951921 |
Master 1404  Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 4:52 PM jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be. Yes, elite open water swimmers have very high stroke rates (mid 90's) as compared to elite pool swimmers who are somewhere in the 70s range. I am curious as to why. Did Gerry Rodrigues comment on the reason for having a higher stroke rate? The races in open water are a lot longer so the only thing I can guess is that it saves more energy with a higher rate and less emphasis on the pull? |
| 2011-12-23 6:29 PM in reply to: #3951926 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 4:57 PM tjfry - 2011-12-23 6:58 AM Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all? It is attached to a string back on land that you pull along with you. It just measures velocity. So you can look at the velocity and determine if you are accelerating or slowing down and then look for reasons why. One thing that was very obvious was that my left arm was much "stronger" or more effective than my right at pulling. Most likely because you are more effective at streamlining (reducing drag) with your right arm leading than with your left. Pretty common for right handed people...are you? |
| 2011-12-23 6:35 PM in reply to: #3951942 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique gerald12 - 2011-12-23 6:18 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 4:52 PM jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be. Yes, elite open water swimmers have very high stroke rates (mid 90's) as compared to elite pool swimmers who are somewhere in the 70s range. I am curious as to why. Did Gerry Rodrigues comment on the reason for having a higher stroke rate? The races in open water are a lot longer so the only thing I can guess is that it saves more energy with a higher rate and less emphasis on the pull? My stroke rate increases in an ows because of the unpredictable water. It's rarely ever smooth like a pool (the water) Edited by tjfry 2011-12-23 6:38 PM |
| 2011-12-23 7:06 PM in reply to: #3951948 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique AdventureBear - 2011-12-23 4:29 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 4:57 PM Most likely because you are more effective at streamlining (reducing drag) with your right arm leading than with your left. Pretty common for right handed people...are you?tjfry - 2011-12-23 6:58 AM Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all? It is attached to a string back on land that you pull along with you. It just measures velocity. So you can look at the velocity and determine if you are accelerating or slowing down and then look for reasons why. One thing that was very obvious was that my left arm was much "stronger" or more effective than my right at pulling. Yes...plus I breathe ever stroke to my right and as you notice, my head position when I breathe sucks. Fixing that. |
| 2011-12-23 7:08 PM in reply to: #3951934 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique agarose2000 - 2011-12-23 4:07 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 5:52 PM jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be.
Holy c**p. I feel like having a heart attack just watching your current stroke rate. Gerry Rodriguez (of UCLA) would probably laugh hysterically if he saw my race stroke rate - even though to me it seems pretty similar to most folks swimming in the pools I go to.
Anybody here turning the arms over faster than Dusty? Just curious. Here is a video of Jodie Swallow at about 90 strokes / min |
| 2011-12-23 7:12 PM in reply to: #3951942 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique gerald12 - 2011-12-23 4:18 PM Yes, elite open water swimmers have very high stroke rates (mid 90's) as compared to elite pool swimmers who are somewhere in the 70s range. I am curious as to why. Did Gerry Rodrigues comment on the reason for having a higher stroke rate? The races in open water are a lot longer so the only thing I can guess is that it saves more energy with a higher rate and less emphasis on the pull? Yes, TJ touched on the fact that most open water swims, the water is much rougher and a faster turnover does much better. It's also analogous to cycling with a higher cadence rather than pushing a really big gear. Same power output by spinning quicker rather than pushing harder. It's more economical in open water. |
| 2011-12-24 2:19 AM in reply to: #3951985 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 6:06 PM AdventureBear - 2011-12-23 4:29 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-23 4:57 PM Most likely because you are more effective at streamlining (reducing drag) with your right arm leading than with your left. Pretty common for right handed people...are you?tjfry - 2011-12-23 6:58 AM Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all? It is attached to a string back on land that you pull along with you. It just measures velocity. So you can look at the velocity and determine if you are accelerating or slowing down and then look for reasons why. One thing that was very obvious was that my left arm was much "stronger" or more effective than my right at pulling. Yes...plus I breathe ever stroke to my right and as you notice, my head position when I breathe sucks. Fixing that. Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing  I have a long thread on here called "The Swim Breathing Thread..." that has helped a few people. Keep up the great work. |
| 2011-12-25 1:00 AM in reply to: #3952212 |
| Regular 132 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique AdventureBear - 2011-12-24 7:19 PM Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing
Just ... shameless!
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| 2011-12-25 4:40 PM in reply to: #3953050 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique There is no Tri - 2011-12-25 12:00 AM AdventureBear - 2011-12-24 7:19 PM Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing
Just ... shameless!
non-sequitor |
| 2011-12-27 1:56 PM in reply to: #3952212 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique AdventureBear - 2011-12-24 12:19 AM Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing I have a long thread on here called "The Swim Breathing Thread..." that has helped a few people. Keep up the great work. I would say it's both...if you have a lot of power, you can make up for a lot in form. Sometimes, form is a tough tough thing to fix. |
| 2011-12-27 2:05 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
| Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique The most important unasked question: Did you shower first???????? Great opportunity for you to come out of the water even further in front of me than last season |
| 2011-12-27 3:54 PM in reply to: #3955840 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Fastyellow - 2011-12-27 12:56 PM AdventureBear - 2011-12-24 12:19 AM Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing I have a long thread on here called "The Swim Breathing Thread..." that has helped a few people. Keep up the great work. I would say it's both...if you have a lot of power, you can make up for a lot in form. Sometimes, form is a tough tough thing to fix. That's what coaches are far. Any one can stand on deck and say swim hard... |
| 2011-12-27 4:22 PM in reply to: #3956205 |
| Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique AdventureBear - 2011-12-27 3:54 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-27 12:56 PM That's what coaches are far. Any one can stand on deck and say swim hard... AdventureBear - 2011-12-24 12:19 AM Right, so it's not a power thing...it's a form thing I have a long thread on here called "The Swim Breathing Thread..." that has helped a few people. Keep up the great work. I would say it's both...if you have a lot of power, you can make up for a lot in form. Sometimes, form is a tough tough thing to fix.
But the number of people who actually HTFU is small.
If it was so easy just to HTFU, everyone should be FOP on bike and run, as it's pretty much just HTFU on those. If you're not fast enough on those, you gotta do more volume and more speed. Unfortunately, HTFU isn't altogether a common thing when considering the masses.
Throw in the added technical difficulties on swimming, and it's pretty easy to see how HTFU can be tough on the swim. |
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