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2013-02-02 1:48 AM

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I hope I don't get flamed here for this - but swimming is my favorite segment and I would like to be good here in OWS and pools.  

My next target in pool is to learn dolphin kick when pushing off the wall. I have watched several videos and can't really get my head wrapped around executing it. Are there any tips you guys can suggest someone trying to learn this kick?

On USMS forum, folks were talking about using a monofin as a learning device when trying to learn this particular kick. Any thoughts and experience to chime there?



2013-02-02 4:05 AM
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Even regular fins are great for working on dolphin kick. They make your kick much stronger and it's easier to feel what you are doing in the water. Hard to explain the mechanics--the videos no doubt do a better job. The key is that it comes from your core and your butt/hips, NOT your knees, and that the legs move in unison. It goes along with an undulating body motion--hard to do with a kickboard. Your head should be down and pretty much parallel with the pool bottom. You can do it on the surface but more fun to do in a few feet below, and pop up to breathe when needed./. Once mastered, it's actually very relaxing and great for warmup, cooldown, stretching out your back, and resting between sets, esp. with fins.
2013-02-02 6:36 AM
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2013-02-02 6:41 AM
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simpsonbo - 2013-02-02 6:36 AMgood training video and then a race from Cdn Masters. I'm the guy who swims 2:12. Listen to the coach in the video and do the kick on your back 50%.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsa1ct5FpqA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV8Fq5t7Fz8&feature=youtube_gdata_pl...
2013-02-02 7:03 AM
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Basically when you keep a good tight streamline, arms behind your head, elbows locked and tight against your ears, you start the dolphin kick. The undulating motion should start from what feels like right below your nipple line/ribcage. Keep your feet together but not to the point they're stuck, they do need to flex out a little. The hard part isn't getting your feet downwards but when you undulate back upwards as well. The motion starts from your ribs, not from your abs and not your knees and definitely don't start the motion from your fingertips either. The YouTube videos should help
2013-02-02 9:18 AM
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I would not recommend the large (trainer 1 and trainer 2) monofins for learning dolphin kick.  While they provide a great workout, they can be on the painful side both in your feet and legs.

The tips that I would give you for learning the kick is give yourself a tight streamline, concentrate on generating the power from your hips, and don't rush the kicks.



2013-02-02 9:46 AM
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Press your chest into the water. Then press your hips into the water. Repeat (repeat repeat). The body motion, not the legs, creates the kick.

Stand up in the water and stretch your arms out up above your head (as if you were streamlining). Now, leading with your hands, dive over a pretend bar that's just above the water (as if clearing a hurdle), making an inverted U-shape over the "Bar" with your body. Repeat (repeat repeat).

When you feel like you've got that down and smooth and it really does look and feel like a U-shape rather than an A-frame, once you dive over that bar, pretend there's another that you need to swim under to come up for air. So you're making an S-shape with your body now: over the bar, under the next bar. Repeat (repeat repeat).

Eventually you want to make these motions as if there were far-spaced out monkey bars in the water that you were diving over and under--but they are located at the same height. To do that, use the press-chest then press-hips idea, but it becomes one smooth motion with your arms stretched out in front of you.

Once you have that undulating motion down, it's very easy to put a little extra oomph in there with your legs that's a "kick". What it really is, is like the tail end of a whip snapping. The initiation comes from the body.

2013-02-02 9:57 AM
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simpsonbo - 2013-02-02 7:36 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsa1ct5FpqA&feature=youtube_gdat... really like this one. I actually linked to it in a blog post of mine about dolphin kick!

This is a really good place to start - then practice practice!

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This is how I would teach a young one...
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This is how I would teach a young one...
2013-02-02 2:11 PM
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very similar motion to a certain bedroom motion if you're a dude. Obviously not how it will be described on a pool deck.....

easiest way to explain it. The PG version is "generate the kick from your hips"

 

hope this helps.



2013-02-02 2:21 PM
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I watched GoSwim TV's video a dozen times before posting here. They do a pretty good job of the tutorial videos.

I haven't been able to try in the pool but I am trying to do some land drills on undulating my body. When I tried that in the past, it seemed very awkward... perhaps my unathletic body lacks flexibility. 

 

TriAya - 2013-02-02 10:46 AM

Press your chest into the water. Then press your hips into the water. Repeat (repeat repeat). The body motion, not the legs, creates the kick.

Stand up in the water and stretch your arms out up above your head (as if you were streamlining). Now, leading with your hands, dive over a pretend bar that's just above the water (as if clearing a hurdle), making an inverted U-shape over the "Bar" with your body. Repeat (repeat repeat).

When you feel like you've got that down and smooth and it really does look and feel like a U-shape rather than an A-frame, once you dive over that bar, pretend there's another that you need to swim under to come up for air. So you're making an S-shape with your body now: over the bar, under the next bar. Repeat (repeat repeat).

Eventually you want to make these motions as if there were far-spaced out monkey bars in the water that you were diving over and under--but they are located at the same height. To do that, use the press-chest then press-hips idea, but it becomes one smooth motion with your arms stretched out in front of you.

Once you have that undulating motion down, it's very easy to put a little extra oomph in there with your legs that's a "kick". What it really is, is like the tail end of a whip snapping. The initiation comes from the body.

TriAva that's a good drill. I will use that during off-times in the pool. 

I feel the push from chest (for me) is very little and much more from the hips. Almost feels like all the energy is coming from the hips in this kick. It feels more like pushing the chest and hips in water at  alternating times but not in one motion. The motion seems to break around the abdomen rather than flowing into lower half of the body. 

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Yanti (TriAya) is never wrong. Especially when it comes to swim technique...

Dolphin kicks are more from the abs than the legs. The P90X exercise Superman Banana is great.
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Know how to swim butterfly? basically it's the butterfly kick, keep arms streamlined above your head.
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GomesBolt - 2013-02-03 4:57 AM Yanti (TriAya) is never wrong. Especially when it comes to swim technique...

Dolphin kicks are more from the abs than the legs. The P90X exercise Superman Banana is great.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken Nah, the above are just some simple techniques (among hundreds) that may help get people started on dolphin kick and/or butterfly and/or dolphin diving if you have to get through a lot of shallow water in a triathlon and/or diving under waves and coming up. It's all the same motion, really, just the timing is a little different and the motion may be more or less exaggerated dep/up the circumstances.

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Tried in the pool today... lanes were busy so I couldn't do the drill mentioned by Yanti but I tried to do some kicks based on the tips above. It felt like the kick was mostly driven from hips. Undulation motion was very little on the upper half of torso. Is that bad form?


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ironbaby - 2013-02-04 5:29 PM Tried in the pool today... lanes were busy so I couldn't do the drill mentioned by Yanti but I tried to do some kicks based on the tips above. It felt like the kick was mostly driven from hips. Undulation motion was very little on the upper half of torso. Is that bad form?

It doesn't sound like it. On a streamline off the wall, there will be some undulation in the upper body but it is indeed mostly from the hips down; as I said, the "kick" is just a final snap of the feet at the end of a whip cracking that consists of your lower body with legs together.

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Sounds like you're doing alright! Maybe there is someone at the pool who could watch you just to see if there is anything blatantly wrong?
2013-02-04 11:27 AM
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Everyone has made good points here. I would say get used to the motion by trying it with fins too.

If by chance you are interested in learning to do it for backstroke my advice is to try not to push off the wall in a way that sends you too deep -- it is harder to tell when you are looking up out of the water. Also would say you'll need to learn how to hold your head so that water doesn't get up your nose as the air leaks out. As you get better you can really go pretty far (up to the legal limit) which will drop your time and help to conserve energy. You'll be in the same kind of streamlined position as on your belly only on your back. Your arms should be covering your ears in a good streamline. Good luck

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