Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes
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2008-03-18 9:57 AM |
Master 1641 Cambridge, MA | Subject: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes and others prepare for the worst competition conditions of their careers. Gebrselassie is already out for the marathon, focusing instead on breaking his own marathon world record elsewhere because of his concern that competing in Beijing will set off his exercise-induced asthma and may impair his performance in the future. Others -- fans and athletes alike -- will likely be challenged by the food and transportation issues on the ground in China, not just the air quality and environment. This article (though dated Jul06) appears to respond to their concerns with several recommendations: http://coaching.usolympicteam.com/coaching/kpub.nsf/v/5Jul06
Makes me wonder if the IOC's decision to host in Beijing was wrong-headed from the start. Aren't there several dozen other cities in China that could host the games without these issues? As an environmental scientist, I want to look into this further... -Sunny
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2008-03-18 10:07 AM in reply to: #1277992 |
Expert 1202 Montana | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes It is very strange to me that these things weren't considered, or maybe they were, by the Olympic Committee before the city was chosen. Makes no sense. |
2008-03-18 10:37 AM in reply to: #1278020 |
Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes I didn't read the articles you posted (don't have time now), but I think I read somewhere that Beijing's hosting of the Olympics was conditional, and that there were "clean ups" that had to be implemented by a certain date, etc. Not sure where I read it (that was a few years ago) and what those were. The IOC is prepared, I think, to move the Olympics to another location if need be (there was talk of moving the Athens games when it appeared the city wouldn't be ready in time). Unfortunately, I would imagine we're well past the point of no return, with the games only 20 weeks away; I would imagine any change of venue would have occurred at least a year or two out. But, I don't really know what I am talking about... It's really a shame, though . |
2008-03-18 11:15 AM in reply to: #1278089 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes There have already been a few athletes that have either dropped from events or changed to shorter ones because of the air quality. And there is now rumors of boycotts because of the situation in Tibet. No surprise that in an impoverished communist country that there are all sorts of issues popping up after the fact ........ |
2008-03-18 12:12 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes We were in Beijing two years ago and the air was aweful! Not only could you see the smog, you could smell it. I guess for a short time one is there for the Olympics it won't kill ya though. The population of Beijing is about 17.5 million. The population of Houston (one of our most poluted cities) is about 2 million. NYC about 8 million.
This is a picture from our hotel:
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2008-03-18 12:45 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Extreme Veteran 323 Seoul Expat Community | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Here in Seoul, we get Beijing's 'air' all the time, especially this time of year when the Yellow Dust starts flying. We have air quality alerts every day. I've heard Beijing is much worse than Seoul, and that's hard to imagine! As for the situation in Tibet, and etc.......I mean, the human rights, environmental, and animal abuses.......some of the stuff that goes on definitely turns my stomach (especially some of the ways in which they treat animals). There's a reason why, in twelve years in Korea as an expat, we have traveled to almost every other country in Asia except China. Rant over. |
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2008-03-18 1:54 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Master 1641 Cambridge, MA | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Seeing your responses, I'm even more concerned. I hadn't seen their air looking that bad -- and that's on a regular basis. I didn't know that Korea also felt effects from China's bad air. It's just very telling to me when athletes choose to not participate for health reasons as compared to political motives. And yes, it does seem way too late to do anything more about it. Their only short-term solution that I've seen is to do cloud-seeding, which one wouldn't think is needed given the soots and PM2.5-PM10 already airborne, but at least that addition of "seed" molecules would bring rain to rain out much of the PM-matter. And what do you get after rain? Add heat and get really high humidity, another outdoor exerciser's issue. How did China get to be top-dog for this year's games?? |
2008-03-18 2:55 PM in reply to: #1278613 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes The same way every other city usually ends up hosting it ... they threw the most money at the IOC ....... |
2008-03-18 3:22 PM in reply to: #1278806 |
Master 1641 Cambridge, MA | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Daremo - 2008-03-18 3:55 PM The same way every other city usually ends up hosting it ... they threw the most money at the IOC ....... Gah, how depressing...I thought there was more to it than that. |
2008-03-18 3:34 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Direct from the the IOC's Commission Evaluation of the five city finalists when choosing the host city for the 2008 Olympic Games: THEME 4: ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND METEOROLOGY Plans and Actions The centrepieces of the overall environmental plans and policies are: – the Beijing Sustainable Development plan (1998–2007), costing US$ 12.2 billion, (US$ 3.6 billion already spent) including 20 key projects and a number of anti-pollution measures, such as removal or alteration of factories, conversion of businesses from coal to gas, and planting of trees – the “Olympic Green” project incorporating 14 venues, the Olympic Village, and the 760 hectare “Forest Park”. The Bid Committee claims the Beijing and OCOG environmental plans and actions will leave “the greatest Olympic Games environmental legacy ever”. Initial environmental impact assessments (EIAs) have been conducted, and detailed EIAs will be done for all venues. The OCOG will have a budget of US$ 118 million for Games environmental measures, spread across budgets of relevant departments. In accordance with this, environmental personnel, considerations and policies will be integrated into all departments and operations of the OCOG. There will be a comprehensive environmental education programme. Air and Water Quality Air and water quality is expected to be within WHO standards at all venues, and in Beijing generally. Meteorology Average wind gust conditions at relevant venues (rowing, canoe-kayak sprint and archery in particular) are within acceptable levels. The Bid Committee had recommended hosting the Games in cooler, drier September, but Beijing’s average temperatures (e.g. 29° C at 15h00) and humidity levels (e.g. 67% at 15h00) and precipitation days (about 1 day in 3) at proposed Games time are considered acceptable. Specific Comments Although many of the plans are not Olympic specific, the bid has provided and a Beijing Games would provide, an impetus and a catalyst for many measures, and their timing. The Beijing Municipal Government is committed to greatly reducing the pollution levels of Beijing, increasing environmental areas and protection, introducing environmental technology and controls, such as transport emission measures, and increasing sewerage treatment. Beijing currently faces a number of environmental pressures and issues, particularly air pollution. However, it has an ambitious set of plans and actions designed and comprehensive enough to greatly improve overall environmental conditions. These plans and actions will require a significant effort and financial investment. The result would be a major environmental legacy for Beijing from the Olympic Games, which includes increased environmental awareness among the population. |
2008-03-18 3:40 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes I thought the air quality issue was due mostly to the large chunks of lead zipping by in the general vicinity of human rights supporters that speak out. I could be wrong..... |
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2008-03-18 3:46 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Veteran 437 | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes This event is clearly a big deal to China. They have said they would do what it takes to clean up this issue. Then even publicly talked about the problem the other day. They are unique in that they might literally shut down everything for weeks leading up to the event to clean up the air. It sounds like this was not an ideal choice for so many reasons . . . but many are not really part of this discussion. Only the air quality. |
2008-03-18 4:27 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes If anyone is going to the Olympics (or not), you might find these interesting.
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2008-03-18 4:29 PM in reply to: #1279003 |
Member 1699 | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes indygreg - 2008-03-18 3:46 PM I read this before, and I think they even did a practice run of this. The police and maybe even the army went to factories and shut them down for days, and I believe they will do it again before the Games begin. That is just amazing to me. The power that the Chinese government has over its people and businesses is stunning compared to the U.S. However, if the people and businesses actually followed the pollution rules in place on a regular basis, they may not have to resort to such drastic actions. |
2008-03-18 4:44 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Veteran 437 | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes it is nuts x10. But that is one of the ways they were able to land the games IMHO. They were able to make promises that few other places could. Pollution an issue? We will idle all factories and native auto traffic. Bad traffic? We will stop all non-essential people from even starting their cars. It is sort of cool in a Dr. Evil kind of way. Let me be clear - I am SO glad I live in a place where the government could not do this. |
2008-03-18 5:29 PM in reply to: #1278393 |
Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Krakatoa - 2008-03-18 10:45 AM Here in Seoul, we get Beijing's 'air' all the time, especially this time of year when the Yellow Dust starts flying. We have air quality alerts every day. I've heard Beijing is much worse than Seoul, and that's hard to imagine! I've been to Seoul, and the air was horrible. You can't see more than 1 or 2 miles because the smog is so thick. You come home covered in a thin layer of soot. If you wear a short sleeve shirt, there will be rings of black around the arm holes. It's scary to think Beijing is worse. The sad part is, if you live there, you get accustomed to living in it, you don't think about it, it's just the way things are. |
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2008-03-18 5:52 PM in reply to: #1279110 |
Elite 3130 | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes Rogillio - 2008-03-18 3:27 PM If anyone is going to the Olympics (or not), you might find these interesting.
Thanks for posting those pictures, they are cateful to meet. Esp the in-floor urinal. |
2008-03-18 6:16 PM in reply to: #1279228 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes ScottoNM - 2008-03-18 5:52 PM Rogillio - 2008-03-18 3:27 PM If anyone is going to the Olympics (or not), you might find these interesting.
Thanks for posting those pictures, they are cateful to meet. Esp the in-floor urinal.
That's no urinal man....that's the darn toilet in the woman's bathroom! They had the same thing in the men's in addition to the unrinals. You have to learn to stand and go. We never did figure out what that sign meant....obviously something was lost in translation.
~Mike |
2008-03-18 8:18 PM in reply to: #1278981 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes rkreuser - 2008-03-18 4:40 PM I thought the air quality issue was due mostly to the large chunks of lead zipping by in the general vicinity of human rights supporters that speak out. I could be wrong..... Excellent point............... some of their govt leaders are barbarians... they scare me a lot more than the Soviets ever did...... they're not rational. I hope our athletes stay safe. Edited by tri42 2008-03-18 8:20 PM |
2008-03-18 9:13 PM in reply to: #1277992 |
Supersonicus Idioticus 2439 Thunder Bay, ON | Subject: RE: Beijing air quality -- concerns for athletes I remember hearing about a study done in Sydney where during the olympics they banned automobile travel to the downtown core. The amount of breathing related problems admitted to the hospital during that period was (this number is probably wrong) one third of the norm. Maybe that might happen again. |