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 2008-08-22 12:58 PM in reply to: #1619059 |
Veteran  379   NYC |  Subject: RE: Is it really about the form?Like many above have said, I think focusing on technique is most important for beginner swimmers. The TI method is, IMO, the best way to get someone from not being able to swim at all to the point of finishing a race/middle of the pack. Development after that is about what works for you and putting in time in the pool. But we shouldn't dismiss the "technique" police (of which I admit I'm a member), because for most of us we have a lot of room to improve technique before we are at the level to take over with what works for us. |
| 2008-08-22 1:01 PM in reply to: #1619999 |
Extreme Veteran 644 Anaheim | Subject: RE: Is it really about the form? bryancd - 2008-08-21 4:52 PM Is it really about the form? No, it's about the pace.  It is a race, after all. I think a common misconception made with triathletes is "you can't win the race in the swim but can lose it" that creates a paranoia about swimming fast. Although it is true that if you hammer the swim and are not a strong swimmer that will be a problem, but many folks really go too slow, in training and racing, and miss their potential. It's the same thing with hydration, fear drives people to drink too much. Don't fear the swim! Don't worry excessively about form! Just get through the water as fast as you can.Interesting! I interpreted that axiom as don't get left behind on the swim. Meaning that being first out fo the water isn't ging to win the race for you but being last out is really bad. Good job, Pashda Edited by Broompatrol 2008-08-22 1:01 PM |
| 2008-08-22 3:25 PM in reply to: #1619263 |
Champion 5782 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Is it really about the form? amiine - 2008-08-21 11:35 AM That’s the problem, what is proper form? Iit seems that in this site there are some myths (IMO) about what it is perceived as perfect swim form such as TI for swimming and perfect run form such as Chi or Pose running, etc. I believe there is no one way to do things and as you can see at the Olympics from running to swimming there are more than a few athletes who are very very fast with what it seems to be unorthodox form. Yes swimming is a lot more technique oriented than bike/run however and there are some basics to focus on (long reach, balance, EVF, etc) but I think at some point athletes need to just swim and swim some more. As you do it over and over you get ‘aha’ moments, you develop feel for the water and you find the stroke rate that works for you, but that after many laps in the pool.I don’t buy the whole statement that: “If you swim with bad habits you will reinforce bad habits” IMO the more you swim the more you get to realize what are you doing wrong and can work on fix it. Plus it doesn’t matter what’s going on outside the water, what matters is below the water, how are you propelling through the water. You can either swim ‘pretty’ but slow following the TI style or you can swim ‘ugly’ but fast. I prefer fast A paragraph that should be read over...and over...and over...and over... Good post. |
| 2008-08-23 5:18 AM in reply to: #1619059 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Is it really about the form? I would also argue that the stroke form for swimming an all-out sprint, or even a longer distance all-out swim event like the 1500 m, is somewhat different than the approach of your average triathlete. For me anyway, the triathlon swim is about going as fast as I can with the greatest degree of efficiency so that I come out of the water with the ability to get on the bike, and then finish the run. Sprint swimmers are truly going all out and leaving it all in the pool. When I do interval swimming (faster pace) my stroke count is higher than when I'm doing endurance swimming (slower pace) work. If you're basing your concept of a "perfect stroke" on, say TI, I think it's going to be MUCH different (IMO) than perfect stroke for a sprinter. TI is more about efficiency than speed (of course, improved efficiency can lead to improved speed, but I think the TI perfect stroke can only take you so far...) Of course, you can take my ramblings all with a grain of salt, since my very fastest 50m swims are about 45 seconds... so I'm obviously no expert  |
| 2008-08-23 12:42 PM in reply to: #1619059 |
Extreme Veteran 492 Cleveland, Ohio | Subject: RE: Is it really about the form? Over the years I have ran and swam with gals that had TERRIBLE form problems...and they still kicked my . Actually they often kicked everyone's . Text book isn't always the fastest for everyone. |
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