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2008-10-29 2:31 PM
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I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.



2008-10-29 2:32 PM
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trigods - 2008-10-29 1:51 PM

bradword - 2008-10-29 1:45 PM You can rip on anyone you want. You just might want to be accurate. Because I know Japan, China, Australia etc etc don't have the rich and famous, only America after all :P

I am sure they do Bradword but we are not talking about the gap in wealth in China are we???? Well that would be do to socialism...
we are not talking about the gap in wealth in Japan are we?

I have not heard of any reports of Austalians or Japanese who bi**c and moan because their neighbor has more and makes more they they do; like americans do.

We are one whiney country.... He makes more, he is smarter than I am, his family left him more money than mine did, he is faster, he can swim longer... blah blah blah...

No wonder everyone hates us, we are that whiney azz little kid on the playground who compains to the teacher when someone does something we dont like.

We ARE Bi**HES....




The growing culture of liberalism that needs to have everyone get the same thing is what has made people whiny. That is the reason every kids gets a trophy, the reason kids don't get letter grades till 4th grade, etc. etc.

It won't get better if BO wins.
2008-10-29 2:33 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money. 

vs.

.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.

2008-10-29 2:35 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.

 

I am confused here...

2008-10-29 2:38 PM
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trigods - 2008-10-29 1:17 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:08 PM
Scout7 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter?

 Well I think it does matter.  There is a fine line between using Greed to help motivate people and it being destructive.  Factory worker who makes 25k - 35k working 40 hours a week does not work as hard as his job as a Engineer or an excutive?  An Excutive that makes $2mil a year works 1066 hours a week over the Engineers 40 hours?  Granted that you are getting paid more for what you know than what you do.  if that excutive made only 1 mil and not  2 mil you could hire 13 more Engineers or 28 factory workers based on 35k for the factory worker. 

How does this matter for the economy?  simple the guy with 2 mil a year will buy maybe buy 5 hdtvs.  At the same cost to a company the Engineers would buy 26 hdtvs and if they factory workers could afford it they would buy 56 hdtvs.  Which would do more for the economy?  Mass production requires mass consumption.   If your workers can not afford to buy the products they make or can not afford to buy your customers products then who will be able to afford it?

the Excutive can make 2 mil and invest some of that money (making him even more money) but what good does the investment do if what he invests in can not make money because there are not enough people to buy the goods and services? 

 

OR the company decides it is paying the executive too much and they want to spread the wealth to hire other employees. So they cut the executives salary and he quits to go work for another company that will pay him what he is worth. The company then puts out it's feelers and tries to hire a new executive. They cannot find anyone that will do that job for just 1 million exept for a few less QUALIFIED persons. So they hire the best candidate that they can,
2 years later the 1 mil executive has made some less than smart moves because his is not as experienced and the company incurres losses and has to shut down a lot of its operation. Eventially the company closes its doors after laying off 2K of its employees, 500 of them got to work for the company for 2 years before they went back on unemployment. then the V people came and repoed the flat screens...

lately I think we have seen plenty of EXPERIENCED 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

ETA "Experienced"



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2008-10-29 2:43 PM
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graceful_dave - 2008-10-29 2:21 PM
bcart1991 - 2008-10-29 12:33 PM

Most people who work hard have money.

Most people who do not work hard do not have money.

HTFU and earn it.

That's such a BS statement. I don't work nearly hard selling the crap that the people in my manufacturing facility make. Yes I have to juggle way more balls and be away from my family every other week, but I've done what they do and would never go back to it.

So, if you have done that job and now moved up to another job that pays you more - wouldn't you say that you earned that, from your hard work in your earlier years?



2008-10-29 2:43 PM
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rayd - 2008-10-29 2:38 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:17 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:08 PM
Scout7 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter?

 Well I think it does matter.  There is a fine line between using Greed to help motivate people and it being destructive.  Factory worker who makes 25k - 35k working 40 hours a week does not work as hard as his job as a Engineer or an excutive?  An Excutive that makes $2mil a year works 1066 hours a week over the Engineers 40 hours?  Granted that you are getting paid more for what you know than what you do.  if that excutive made only 1 mil and not  2 mil you could hire 13 more Engineers or 28 factory workers based on 35k for the factory worker. 

How does this matter for the economy?  simple the guy with 2 mil a year will buy maybe buy 5 hdtvs.  At the same cost to a company the Engineers would buy 26 hdtvs and if they factory workers could afford it they would buy 56 hdtvs.  Which would do more for the economy?  Mass production requires mass consumption.   If your workers can not afford to buy the products they make or can not afford to buy your customers products then who will be able to afford it?

the Excutive can make 2 mil and invest some of that money (making him even more money) but what good does the investment do if what he invests in can not make money because there are not enough people to buy the goods and services? 

 

OR the company decides it is paying the executive too much and they want to spread the wealth to hire other employees. So they cut the executives salary and he quits to go work for another company that will pay him what he is worth. The company then puts out it's feelers and tries to hire a new executive. They cannot find anyone that will do that job for just 1 million exept for a few less QUALIFIED persons. So they hire the best candidate that they can,
2 years later the 1 mil executive has made some less than smart moves because his is not as experienced and the company incurres losses and has to shut down a lot of its operation. Eventially the company closes its doors after laying off 2K of its employees, 500 of them got to work for the company for 2 years before they went back on unemployment. then the V people came and repoed the flat screens...

lately I think we have seen plenty of 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

I guess i fail to see how that is the executives fault that they got the parachute.... That perk was nagotiated when they were hired. I do not think they had intentions of the company not working or them continuing to work for the company long term.
The company and the board of directors had no problem agreeing to the golden parachute....

When you sign on for a job and negotiate your salary and perks (ohhh like HEALTHCARE is a perk), if you do not do your job right and you get fired should you have to pay back that perk????

2008-10-29 2:43 PM
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rayd - 2008-10-29 2:38 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:17 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:08 PM
Scout7 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter?

 Well I think it does matter.  There is a fine line between using Greed to help motivate people and it being destructive.  Factory worker who makes 25k - 35k working 40 hours a week does not work as hard as his job as a Engineer or an excutive?  An Excutive that makes $2mil a year works 1066 hours a week over the Engineers 40 hours?  Granted that you are getting paid more for what you know than what you do.  if that excutive made only 1 mil and not  2 mil you could hire 13 more Engineers or 28 factory workers based on 35k for the factory worker. 

How does this matter for the economy?  simple the guy with 2 mil a year will buy maybe buy 5 hdtvs.  At the same cost to a company the Engineers would buy 26 hdtvs and if they factory workers could afford it they would buy 56 hdtvs.  Which would do more for the economy?  Mass production requires mass consumption.   If your workers can not afford to buy the products they make or can not afford to buy your customers products then who will be able to afford it?

the Excutive can make 2 mil and invest some of that money (making him even more money) but what good does the investment do if what he invests in can not make money because there are not enough people to buy the goods and services? 

 

OR the company decides it is paying the executive too much and they want to spread the wealth to hire other employees. So they cut the executives salary and he quits to go work for another company that will pay him what he is worth. The company then puts out it's feelers and tries to hire a new executive. They cannot find anyone that will do that job for just 1 million exept for a few less QUALIFIED persons. So they hire the best candidate that they can,
2 years later the 1 mil executive has made some less than smart moves because his is not as experienced and the company incurres losses and has to shut down a lot of its operation. Eventially the company closes its doors after laying off 2K of its employees, 500 of them got to work for the company for 2 years before they went back on unemployment. then the V people came and repoed the flat screens...

lately I think we have seen plenty of EXPERIENCED 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

ETA "Experienced"

And there are also 7 figure execs that are running their companies just fine.  I dont see them getting any press about it ever.  Bad apples in anything.  Maybe the solution is to let a worker run the show?
2008-10-29 2:45 PM
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jdwright56 - 2008-10-29 2:43 PM
graceful_dave - 2008-10-29 2:21 PM
bcart1991 - 2008-10-29 12:33 PM

Most people who work hard have money.

Most people who do not work hard do not have money.

HTFU and earn it.

That's such a BS statement. I don't work nearly hard selling the crap that the people in my manufacturing facility make. Yes I have to juggle way more balls and be away from my family every other week, but I've done what they do and would never go back to it.

So, if you have done that job and now moved up to another job that pays you more - wouldn't you say that you earned that, from your hard work in your earlier years?

or developed a necessary skill set for the new job by taking classes?
2008-10-29 2:48 PM
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Hmmm.. maybe we could all let the government control all the jobs, they can distribute the salaries evenly amongst all the workers, your check goes directly to the government to distribute your income as they see fit, and give you what they feel is appropriate for spending money. Then, its all equal, everyone gets the same, and screw what type of job you have, if you are good at it or not, or if your the one peeling potatoes or doing brain surgery on your neighbor that means life or death. And there we go, EVERYONE is happy then and EVERYONE is getting what they deserve.

There will always be a gap, there will always be people that want more, work for more, people that milk the system, etc. If we want it changed I suppose we should become politicians and try for reform, but then again, most of us dont want that job either

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the best solution is the govt mandate that everyone makes equal money. 

what would that become?  A communist country!



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2008-10-29 2:50 PM
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kellc09 - 2008-10-29 2:48 PM Hmmm.. maybe we could all let the government control all the jobs, they can distribute the salaries evenly amongst all the workers, your check goes directly to the government to distribute your income as they see fit, and give you what they feel is appropriate for spending money. Then, its all equal, everyone gets the same, and screw what type of job you have, if you are good at it or not, or if your the one peeling potatoes or doing brain surgery on your neighbor that means life or death. And there we go, EVERYONE is happy then and EVERYONE is getting what they deserve. There will always be a gap, there will always be people that want more, work for more, people that milk the system, etc. If we want it changed I suppose we should become politicians and try for reform.

 

Ohhhhh I want to be the brian surgone under that government project. I have always wanted to be one but noway am I going to college for like 6 years and have to pass tests to be one.

SWEET! When can i start the new job

2008-10-29 2:53 PM
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D.K. - 2008-10-29 3:48 PM

the best solution is the govt mandate that everyone makes equal money. 

what would that become?  A communist country!

Actually, that'd be a socialist country.  Eliminate the government, and the "country" part, and it would be communism.

2008-10-29 2:54 PM
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kellc09 - 2008-10-29 2:48 PM Hmmm.. maybe we could all let the government control all the jobs, they can distribute the salaries evenly amongst all the workers, your check goes directly to the government to distribute your income as they see fit, and give you what they feel is appropriate for spending money. Then, its all equal, everyone gets the same, and screw what type of job you have, if you are good at it or not, or if your the one peeling potatoes or doing brain surgery on your neighbor that means life or death. And there we go, EVERYONE is happy then and EVERYONE is getting what they deserve. There will always be a gap, there will always be people that want more, work for more, people that milk the system, etc. If we want it changed I suppose we should become politicians and try for reform, but then again, most of us dont want that job either
i want to be a fireman and an astronaut and then play pro football and then be a cowboy! yay!
2008-10-29 2:54 PM
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I actually wrote a paper about the disparity a few years ago.

Our disparity started in the late 1970s with the technical boom.  Technical workers started making a lot more than non-technical workers and the gap has widened considerably since then.  Technical jobs tend to pay a lot more than non technical jobs.  

One of my friends had a lot of resentment towards me because she thought going to college would automatically guarantee her a good paying job.  My first job out of college paid more than twice of what she was getting out of college a few years after me.  She wasn't in a technical field so she didn't understand job offers of $9-$10/hour when that was about what she made before going to college.  

 I don't understand all the reasons for the gap or why it keeps widening.  I am grateful for my opportunities and I'd say there are people that work harder than me that get paid much less. 

2008-10-29 2:55 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.



Hmmm - Should for example Bill Gates make the same amount as a programmer for MS who has been there for 5 years??

People make money based on the MONEY they make for a firm. That is why a Lawyer makes more than the paralegal, the Cheif Building Engineer more than the janitor.

Communism has been a great success hasn't it?? In GENERAL, people who are paid more deserve it.

In the Socialist view every football player should make the EXACT same amount of money because they are all just playnign football correct?


2008-10-29 3:00 PM
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jszat - 2008-10-29 1:43 PM
rayd - 2008-10-29 2:38 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:17 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:08 PM
Scout7 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter?

 Well I think it does matter.  There is a fine line between using Greed to help motivate people and it being destructive.  Factory worker who makes 25k - 35k working 40 hours a week does not work as hard as his job as a Engineer or an excutive?  An Excutive that makes $2mil a year works 1066 hours a week over the Engineers 40 hours?  Granted that you are getting paid more for what you know than what you do.  if that excutive made only 1 mil and not  2 mil you could hire 13 more Engineers or 28 factory workers based on 35k for the factory worker. 

How does this matter for the economy?  simple the guy with 2 mil a year will buy maybe buy 5 hdtvs.  At the same cost to a company the Engineers would buy 26 hdtvs and if they factory workers could afford it they would buy 56 hdtvs.  Which would do more for the economy?  Mass production requires mass consumption.   If your workers can not afford to buy the products they make or can not afford to buy your customers products then who will be able to afford it?

the Excutive can make 2 mil and invest some of that money (making him even more money) but what good does the investment do if what he invests in can not make money because there are not enough people to buy the goods and services? 

 

OR the company decides it is paying the executive too much and they want to spread the wealth to hire other employees. So they cut the executives salary and he quits to go work for another company that will pay him what he is worth. The company then puts out it's feelers and tries to hire a new executive. They cannot find anyone that will do that job for just 1 million exept for a few less QUALIFIED persons. So they hire the best candidate that they can,
2 years later the 1 mil executive has made some less than smart moves because his is not as experienced and the company incurres losses and has to shut down a lot of its operation. Eventially the company closes its doors after laying off 2K of its employees, 500 of them got to work for the company for 2 years before they went back on unemployment. then the V people came and repoed the flat screens...

lately I think we have seen plenty of EXPERIENCED 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

ETA "Experienced"

And there are also 7 figure execs that are running their companies just fine.  I dont see them getting any press about it ever.  Bad apples in anything.  Maybe the solution is to let a worker run the show?

sure they get press...Bill Gates...remember Jack Welch?  I have no problem seeing these guys getting paid well for running a company well.  Letely though we have a lot of executives getting fatter when their company has not shown a profit for consequetive quarters...or maybe has never shown a profit.  yet they still get their fat salaries and bonuses.  I don't think the solution is letting the line person run the show...but it some cases it the company may not be any worse off for it!

2008-10-29 3:04 PM
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rayd - 2008-10-29 4:00 PM

sure they get press...Bill Gates...remember Jack Welch?  I have no problem seeing these guys getting paid well for running a company well.  Letely though we have a lot of executives getting fatter when their company has not shown a profit for consequetive quarters...or maybe has never shown a profit.  yet they still get their fat salaries and bonuses.  I don't think the solution is letting the line person run the show...but it some cases it the company may not be any worse off for it!

Actually, I think they did the job they were assigned to do very well, and got paid appropriately.

Unfortunately, the problem is that the job they were assigned to do was not conducive to long-term growth.  Instead, they were focused on short-term stock prices, which is probably not the greatest indicator.

This situation is not the fault of the executives as much as it is the fault of the shareholders, boards, and investors.

2008-10-29 3:06 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.



Hmmm - Should for example Bill Gates make the same amount as a programmer for MS who has been there for 5 years??

People make money based on the MONEY they make for a firm. That is why a Lawyer makes more than the paralegal, the Cheif Building Engineer more than the janitor.

Communism has been a great success hasn't it?? In GENERAL, people who are paid more deserve it.

In the Socialist view every football player should make the EXACT same amount of money because they are all just playnign football correct?


There are some major problems your statements. I'm impressed you left the candidates out of it, though - kudos. Please check your facts before making statements like these.

Socialism is not everyone making the EXACT same amount of money. Socialism is when government controls major industry. I suspect there are LOADS of Canadians around here who will attest to the variety of wages that exist in their country. Enough with the scare tactics please.

There are NUMEROUS examples of people losing GOBS of money and leaving with a golden parachute. Check AIG.
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D.Z. - 2008-10-29 3:06 PM

Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 3:55 PM

chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.



Hmmm - Should for example Bill Gates make the same amount as a programmer for MS who has been there for 5 years??

People make money based on the MONEY they make for a firm. That is why a Lawyer makes more than the paralegal, the Cheif Building Engineer more than the janitor.

Communism has been a great success hasn't it?? In GENERAL, people who are paid more deserve it.

In the Socialist view every football player should make the EXACT same amount of money because they are all just playnign football correct?


There are some major problems your statements. I'm impressed you left the candidates out of it, though - kudos. Please check your facts before making statements like these.

Socialism is not everyone making the EXACT same amount of money. Socialism is when government controls major industry. I suspect there are LOADS of Canadians around here who will attest to the variety of wages that exist in their country. Enough with the scare tactics please.

There are NUMEROUS examples of people losing GOBS of money and leaving with a golden parachute. Check AIG.


Your right, there is, but there are also many examples of people in charge of smaller companies taking risks, running their own accts dry to make the business work and keep people employed and they sink to. We just get to hear about all the big attention grabbing ones
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rayd - 2008-10-29 3:00 PM
jszat - 2008-10-29 1:43 PM
rayd - 2008-10-29 2:38 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:17 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:08 PM
Scout7 - 2008-10-29 12:31 PM

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter?

 Well I think it does matter.  There is a fine line between using Greed to help motivate people and it being destructive.  Factory worker who makes 25k - 35k working 40 hours a week does not work as hard as his job as a Engineer or an excutive?  An Excutive that makes $2mil a year works 1066 hours a week over the Engineers 40 hours?  Granted that you are getting paid more for what you know than what you do.  if that excutive made only 1 mil and not  2 mil you could hire 13 more Engineers or 28 factory workers based on 35k for the factory worker. 

How does this matter for the economy?  simple the guy with 2 mil a year will buy maybe buy 5 hdtvs.  At the same cost to a company the Engineers would buy 26 hdtvs and if they factory workers could afford it they would buy 56 hdtvs.  Which would do more for the economy?  Mass production requires mass consumption.   If your workers can not afford to buy the products they make or can not afford to buy your customers products then who will be able to afford it?

the Excutive can make 2 mil and invest some of that money (making him even more money) but what good does the investment do if what he invests in can not make money because there are not enough people to buy the goods and services? 

 

OR the company decides it is paying the executive too much and they want to spread the wealth to hire other employees. So they cut the executives salary and he quits to go work for another company that will pay him what he is worth. The company then puts out it's feelers and tries to hire a new executive. They cannot find anyone that will do that job for just 1 million exept for a few less QUALIFIED persons. So they hire the best candidate that they can,
2 years later the 1 mil executive has made some less than smart moves because his is not as experienced and the company incurres losses and has to shut down a lot of its operation. Eventially the company closes its doors after laying off 2K of its employees, 500 of them got to work for the company for 2 years before they went back on unemployment. then the V people came and repoed the flat screens...

lately I think we have seen plenty of EXPERIENCED 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

ETA "Experienced"

And there are also 7 figure execs that are running their companies just fine.  I dont see them getting any press about it ever.  Bad apples in anything.  Maybe the solution is to let a worker run the show?

sure they get press...Bill Gates...remember Jack Welch?  I have no problem seeing these guys getting paid well for running a company well.  Letely though we have a lot of executives getting fatter when their company has not shown a profit for consequetive quarters...or maybe has never shown a profit.  yet they still get their fat salaries and bonuses.  I don't think the solution is letting the line person run the show...but it some cases it the company may not be any worse off for it!

I get the feeling though that a lot of folks made very broad statements about the cases reported where there is abuse/bad management and make blanket statements about the larger economy.  The wheels are not falling off of the majority of companies because people are screwing stockholders and pilaging the company coffers.  again, it is what the press wants to report.  There are good business models and bad ones.  Ones run well, and ones run terribly.  Maybe its a bit extreme, but its like mega panic when there is a shark attack on the news and suddenly you are at risk. 


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Subject: RE: Spread The Wealth

D.Z. - 2008-10-29 4:06 PM   Socialism is when government controls major industry.

Not quite true.

Socialism is when there is either state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.

2008-10-29 3:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Spread The Wealth
AcesFull - 2008-10-29 3:10 PM

kellc09 - 2008-10-29 2:48 PM Hmmm.. maybe we could all let the government control all the jobs, they can distribute the salaries evenly amongst all the workers, your check goes directly to the government to distribute your income as they see fit, and give you what they feel is appropriate for spending money. Then, its all equal, everyone gets the same, and screw what type of job you have, if you are good at it or not, or if your the one peeling potatoes or doing brain surgery on your neighbor that means life or death. And there we go, EVERYONE is happy then and EVERYONE is getting what they deserve. There will always be a gap, there will always be people that want more, work for more, people that milk the system, etc. If we want it changed I suppose we should become politicians and try for reform, but then again, most of us dont want that job either

This is, of course, a gross distortion of what many are saying.  I would never suggest that all jobs are equal, that all pay should be equal or that the gov't should regulate this.  What I am saying is that when incomes at the top and bottom reach a certain level of disparity, those at the bottom revolt.  Incomes should be higher for certain jobs than for others.  Hard work should be rewarded.



Its a gross distortion, yes. That was the point. It wasnt necessarily in response to your post, but a general snapshot of how some people feel with all the "entitled to" talk. But my point is, at what point do you draw the line. No one will ever agree on that. So the gap continues.
2008-10-29 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Spread The Wealth
Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 2:55 PM
chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 2:31 PM

I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.

Hmmm - Should for example Bill Gates make the same amount as a programmer for MS who has been there for 5 years?? People make money based on the MONEY they make for a firm. That is why a Lawyer makes more than the paralegal, the Cheif Building Engineer more than the janitor. Communism has been a great success hasn't it?? In GENERAL, people who are paid more deserve it. In the Socialist view every football player should make the EXACT same amount of money because they are all just playnign football correct?

 No but its fine line.  If a football owner has only 100 mil to spend on his team does he pay 99 mil on one guy and 1 mill on the rest of the 54 players? Nope a superstar can not make the team.  Yes your QB will get paid alot but without a line to protect him or receivers to throw to the QB is nothing. 

This assuming the owner will even pay 100 mil because if he can only pay 75 mil he makes 25 mil more.  

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