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2009-05-04 8:21 PM

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Subject: older model running shoes
So i've just exhausted my 8th pair of asics kayano 11's, and went to a local running shop to browse the new shoes.  i mentioned this to the salesman and he said that older model running shoes are no good because they will wear out a lot quicker since they have just been sitting for 5 years.  i didn't know if this was a valid argument, like a halflife, or if he was just throwing me some sales pitch to get me to buy one of the newer models as opposed to ordering mine online again.  i tried to do some research on the but couldn't come up with anything, just wanted to check and see if anyone had any input on the topic.  


2009-05-04 8:49 PM
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Subject: RE: older model running shoes
My sports trainer says the same thing. I went to him for advice on shoes for my underpronation 2 weeks ago. During the conversation he mentioned that the cushion in the shoes deteriorate even if they are sitting on the shelf. I don't know if I would have believed that if someone else had told me.

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2009-05-05 9:21 AM
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I've heard that before but don't believe it.  Running shoes are made of completely synthetic materials that are known not to break down even in landfills.  It's why you need to recycle your shoes.  Why would a couple years in your closet be bad for them.  
2009-05-05 9:28 AM
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I think it'd probably be pretty safe to buy the previous year's model - say, they just came out with the "12" model of your shoe - getting the "11" on sale is probably fine. I guess it comes down to who you think is trying to make more money - the running store trying to push the new model, or the running stores who show up at race expos with truckloads of out-of-date shoe models selling them for 40% off. I doubt either is really concerned about whether the shoes are "bad" or not.

2009-05-05 10:39 AM
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Subject: RE: older model running shoes
Well.... let's just put it this way....

After having to take a 2 month hiatus from running, I recently started back. I have 2 pairs of running shoes that are not retired. One pair is an Asics GT2120 that I bought online last summer because I hated the GT2130s and the other pair is the new GT2140. Now, my GT2120s don't have all that many miles on them... I got them just before IM WI and they were in the 3 pair rotation this winter and my mileage was lower. I got a new pair of GT2140s right before I had to stop running.

So after taking 2 months off, I just recently started back up, and have been rotating the 2120s (that are about 1.5-2 years old in age, but don't have that many miles on them, let's say around 150-175) and the newer pair of GT2140s.

I can tell a distinct difference in the cushioning. Now I've been able to run in both without incident or injury, but the 2140s are wayyyyy cushy-er.

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2009-05-05 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: older model running shoes

I've heard similar comments as well.  I believe one of the things I was told is that as the shoes sit on the shelf the internal cushioning materials can become "brittle".  Not in the sense that it falls apart, rather it loses it's "peak" ability to absorb the pounding....

I however tend to think it's as much a ploy to keep selling the new shoes at $120 rather than the closeouts at $85....



2009-05-05 10:58 AM
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TriMike - 2009-05-05 11:56 AM

I however tend to think it's as much a ploy to keep selling the new shoes at $120 rather than the closeouts at $85....

Yup.

2009-05-05 11:05 AM
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Subject: RE: older model running shoes
This question has been posed to the running shoe experts on the Runner's World forums nearly as often as we have "How Do You Count Laps in the Pool" threads, and the answer is always a resounding, NO, shelf life doesn't matter.

Anecdotally, I've run in previous-model running shoes quite often (usually 40%-off the current model), never noticed a cushioning difference.

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I've been running in outdated shoes (usually two years old, but never worn) for years now.  They seem to wear at the same rate as any other shoe I've worn.  And they usually cost less than half of what the current year model is going for.
2009-05-05 11:11 AM
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Running shoes may lose between 30% and 50% of their shock absorption after about 250 miles of use. Even sitting on a shelf, their shock absorbing capabilities are significantly reduced after 1 to 2 years (Robert P. Wilder, MD, written communication, July 8, 2004).

From here

I cannot find this "written communication" from Dr. Wilder, so don't flame me for quality or lack of research backing up this statement.  I bring it to you for discussion.

That being said, I don't buy the older model shoes.  I'm "older", run a lot, and have been injured in the past.  Being injured sucks.  Not running is like ripping out a valuable piece of my life. 

Yea, often some coin can be saved on closeouts, but running is important to me so I spend the extra.  Placebo, peace of mind, or backed by science, I really don't care.

2009-05-05 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: older model running shoes

I used to work as a plastic materials chemist and still work in the plastics industry.  Plastics and elastomers of the types used to manufacture shoes do have a limited shelf life.  The variables on how long they last are storage temperature/humidity/UV history to name a few.  In an ideal world stored at room temperature in a vacuum they would last forever.  Plastics will absorb water into their structure especially cross linked elastomers and they breath with humidy and temperature.  Really how long your training shoes last depends on storage more than anything else.  Cool dry conditions will make them last longer.

God I sound boring!



2009-05-08 10:35 PM
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I found an email address for Dr. Wilder (see my post above).  I emailed him the question regarding running shoes and shelf life.  His response is below...

Dan: In response to the question regarding stale shoes:  This is a question that is frequently asked, but unfortunately we don't have any data correlating the use of old shoes to specific running injuries.  Although it is reported that the polymers in running shoes will demonstrate degradation over time, what percentage of degradation then becomes significant clinically has not been established.  Based on recommendations from shoe engineers we have collaborated with in our SPEED Clinic Lab, who have reported that degredation seems to increase after about 2 years, I have recommended that folks use shoes before they turn 2 years old.  So, buying a couple pairs or even three pairs as a model is getting ready to expire is probably reasonable, but more MIGHT pose an issue.  Again, this is a recommendation and should not be considered a hard and fast rule.  Hope this helps.

 
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