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 2009-05-27 11:48 AM in reply to: #2175826 |
Giver  18427     |  Subject: RE: The Biblejford2309 - 2009-05-27 12:46 PM The reason I started this thread was b/c I attended a church and the pastor stated that the bible contained no errors, and that it was the unequivocal Word of God. I just don't believe that. I really think that it has been added to, over the (early) years, as the Church saw fit. I believe that the Bible is the unequivocal word of God, containing no errors and I believe that due to my faith. I am curious as to what you think has been added? I do not believe there are errors in the Bible, but I am more apt to believe people interpertations are wrong... I don't think anyone can provide examples of how the Bible is wrong, unless you're the one God was speaking to originally. Or, maybe if you got your hands on the original Aramaic text... You can, however, look at the various differences in translations and speculate where errors might lie. Edited by run4yrlif 2009-05-27 11:49 AM |
| 2009-05-27 11:49 AM in reply to: #2175775 |
 Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible briderdt - Given all that, does it make one iota of difference in your faith? Yeah, it does for me. It makes all the difference in the world. The Catholic writer Flannery O'Conner said something along the lines of, "If the Eucharist is just a symbol, then to hell with it." I agree with her. If Jesus isn't the Son of God, if He didn't die for our salvation and then rise from the dead, then to hell with it. It's not worth the trouble. |
| 2009-05-27 12:07 PM in reply to: #2175836 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: The Bible dontracy - 2009-05-27 11:49 AM briderdt - Given all that, does it make one iota of difference in your faith? Yeah, it does for me. It makes all the difference in the world. The Catholic writer Flannery O'Conner said something along the lines of, "If the Eucharist is just a symbol, then to hell with it." I agree with her. If Jesus isn't the Son of God, if He didn't die for our salvation and then rise from the dead, then to hell with it. It's not worth the trouble. AMEN!
Sorry couldn't resist! |
| 2009-05-27 12:15 PM in reply to: #2175899 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible jford2309 - AMEN!
Sorry couldn't resist!
LOL... (is it just me, or is this thread not showing up when you hit the "New Threads" icon?) |
| 2009-05-27 12:22 PM in reply to: #2175320 |
Extreme Veteran 683 Cleveland Area | Subject: RE: The Bible How come Noah didn't save the dinosaurs? |
| 2009-05-27 12:28 PM in reply to: #2175775 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible briderdt - But I now have no church membership, and my worship is a daily practice. David, to get back to your question on whether these things matter regarding one's faith, it seems that you're positing here that one doesn't need to belong to the capital C Church in order to belong to the small c church. Do I have that right? All of the questions brought up on this thread do matter. If Dan Brown was right, it does matter. It all affects faith. For example, Paul tells us in 1st Timothy 3 15: But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth. No where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth, or that it is the final authority. Yet here is Paul saying that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. So what exactly did Paul mean by "the church"? The answer to that can have a huge impact on what is meant by Christian "Faith". Edited by dontracy 2009-05-27 12:29 PM |
| 2009-05-27 12:32 PM in reply to: #2175949 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: The Bible dontracy - 2009-05-27 1:28 PM So what exactly did Paul mean by "the church"? The answer to that can have a huge impact on what is meant by Christian "Faith". My take: The Church existed long before there were churches per se, right? So to me, the Church is simply the body of evangelizing believers. If your living and spreading the word, you're part of the Curch. Regardless of where you spend your Sunday mornings. Edited by run4yrlif 2009-05-27 12:34 PM |
| 2009-05-27 12:32 PM in reply to: #2175568 |
Extreme Veteran 406 | Subject: RE: The Bible bradword - 2009-05-27 9:35 AMI'm LDS (Mormon) so I'll throw out what we believe. This is straight from our Articles of Faith, a quick concise answer to our basic beliefs. 8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.So in direct answer to your question:1. It was written by men through inspiration from God as far as it is translated correctly.2. It does have errors.3. By "The Church", like I said, having it change hands over and over creates improper translations. x2. Glad to see I'm not the only one.  |
| 2009-05-27 12:32 PM in reply to: #2175938 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible abrezo - How come Noah didn't save the dinosaurs? Because The Flood happened in Turkey, and the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs (except for their decendents the birds) happened in the Gulf of Mexico, and you can't float an Ark from Turkey to Mexico in forty days back then given the currents. Everyone know that. |
| 2009-05-27 12:38 PM in reply to: #2175960 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible run4yrlif - The Church existed long before there were churches per se, right? No. The Church began at Pentecost with the descent of the Holy Spirit. The development of a perfect institution, The Church, was now in the hands of imperfect human beings guided by the Holy Spirit. Edited by dontracy 2009-05-27 12:39 PM |
| 2009-05-27 12:38 PM in reply to: #2175949 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: The Bible dontracy - 2009-05-27 12:28 PM briderdt - But I now have no church membership, and my worship is a daily practice. David, to get back to your question on whether these things matter regarding one's faith, it seems that you're positing here that one doesn't need to belong to the capital C Church in order to belong to the small c church. Do I have that right? All of the questions brought up on this thread do matter. If Dan Brown was right, it does matter. It all affects faith. For example, Paul tells us in 1st Timothy 3 15: But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth. No where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth, or that it is the final authority. Yet here is Paul saying that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. So what exactly did Paul mean by "the church"? The answer to that can have a huge impact on what is meant by Christian "Faith". Maybe this should be a different thread, but it goes back to the questions brought into the spotlight by Dan Brown. How does it matter if Jesus had a wife a child/children? I'm asking this in a completely curious manner. While I have never managed to sit down and read the bible cover to cover (damn ADD!) I have had a fair share of education in Christianity as well as a healthy dose of the other major religions. I've never learned anything that makes it wrong/impossible for Jesus to have been married and had children while still fulfilling the role portrayed in the bible? Edited by graceful_dave 2009-05-27 12:40 PM |
| 2009-05-27 12:42 PM in reply to: #2175984 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible graceful_dave - How does it matter if Jesus had a wife a child/children? Aside from the ontological nature of children from such a union, would they be fully human and fully divine as was Jesus ect., it doesn't matter. God could have saved the world anyway He wanted to. However, there is no evidence or reason to believe that Jesus was married and had children, other than the fanciful imagination of some authors. Edited by dontracy 2009-05-27 12:43 PM |
| 2009-05-27 12:51 PM in reply to: #2175966 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: The Bible dontracy - 2009-05-27 1:32 PM abrezo - How come Noah didn't save the dinosaurs? Because The Flood happened in Turkey, and the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs (except for their decendents the birds) happened in the Gulf of Mexico, and you can't float an Ark from Turkey to Mexico in forty days back then given the currents. Everyone know that. I thought it was because God hated the dinosaurs and their sinful ways. And on a more serious note, why does this question only seem to be answered by Christians and not other "people of the book" - jews and muslims? I was taught that everything antediluvian was meant to provide an allegorical framework to understand my people's history and world view, but that post flood history was essentially meant to record our history. The various christian books that followed, as well as the koran more or less followed this framework, to record what the principals involved were experiencing. This would seem to reconcile the otherwise irreconcilable differences in the different gospels as I understand them (speaking as a jew who attending a catholic university). It also means that the bible is written by men, that it is prone to error as men are, and that errors or modifications certainly creep in. There were other prophets at the time of Jesus, who also had followers and whose followers would have kept some sort of recording of their peoples. I believe the Dead Sea scrolls were an example of this, as were other apocryphal books. |
| 2009-05-27 12:52 PM in reply to: #2175980 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: The Bible dontracy - 2009-05-27 1:38 PM run4yrlif - The Church existed long before there were churches per se, right? No. The Church began at Pentecost with the descent of the Holy Spirit. The development of a perfect institution, The Church, was now in the hands of imperfect human beings guided by the Holy Spirit. I think we're sort of saying the same thing... The buildings with crosses that we call churches came long after the Church, right? Therefore, the Church has not much to do with the places we go on Sunday, right? |
| 2009-05-27 12:57 PM in reply to: #2176027 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: The Bible run4yrlif - 2009-05-27 12:52 PM dontracy - 2009-05-27 1:38 PM run4yrlif - The Church existed long before there were churches per se, right? No. The Church began at Pentecost with the descent of the Holy Spirit. The development of a perfect institution, The Church, was now in the hands of imperfect human beings guided by the Holy Spirit. I think we're sort of saying the same thing... The buildings with crosses that we call churches came long after the Church, right? Therefore, the Church has not much to do with the places we go on Sunday, right?
I agree with Jim here (shock!) |
| 2009-05-27 1:00 PM in reply to: #2175320 |
Pro 4339 Husker Nation | Subject: RE: The Bible For you, is it the Word of God or was it written by men? Yes. Does it contain errors? No. Did the church "add and delete" to it as they saw fit? Churches have in the past, but the manuscript evidence is very reliable and consistent. The next 8 most well-documented books in antiquity only have about 1/6 the manuscript evidence of the Bible. |
| 2009-05-27 1:04 PM in reply to: #2176042 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: The Bible jford2309 - 2009-05-27 1:57 PM I agree with Jim here (shock!) Eh...don't be shocked...everyone agrees with me eventually. |
| 2009-05-27 1:12 PM in reply to: #2175320 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: The Bible Now let's pass the offering plate! |
| 2009-05-27 1:17 PM in reply to: #2175377 |
Master 1669 "Home of Superman" | Subject: RE: The Bible jonmetz - 2009-05-27 11:53 AM No comment on the OP questions. However, I predict that this thread is going to get ugly! Oh yea, REAL ugly! How long before it gets pulled? Any guesses?
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| 2009-05-27 1:29 PM in reply to: #2176098 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: The Bible medic1962 - 2009-05-27 2:17 PM jonmetz - 2009-05-27 11:53 AM No comment on the OP questions. However, I predict that this thread is going to get ugly! Oh yea, REAL ugly! How long before it gets pulled? Any guesses?
Well...ya know, page 3 and it's completely civil. |
| 2009-05-27 1:35 PM in reply to: #2176042 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible
run4yrlif - The buildings with crosses that we call churches came long after the Church, right? Therefore, the Church has not much to do with the places we go on Sunday, right?
jford2309 - I agree with Jim here (shock!) Yeah, I agree too. The church is the mystical body of Christ. |
| 2009-05-27 1:37 PM in reply to: #2176023 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible gearboy - I thought it was because God hated the dinosaurs and their sinful ways. Actually, come to think of it Noah did save the dinosaurs because he had those birds on board. |
| 2009-05-27 1:45 PM in reply to: #2176023 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: The Bible gearboy - And on a more serious note, why does this question only seem to be answered by Christians and not other "people of the book" - jews and muslims? I was taught that everything antediluvian was meant to provide an allegorical framework to understand my people's history and world view, but that post flood history was essentially meant to record our history. The various christian books that followed, as well as the koran more or less followed this framework, to record what the principals involved were experiencing. This would seem to reconcile the otherwise irreconcilable differences in the different gospels as I understand them That's a really good point. It's really a very small minority of Christians who have historically interpreted the Bible literally. Looking to the history of the study of Torah would give us good insight into how scripture was interpreted at the time of Jesus and in the centuries that followed. Edited by dontracy 2009-05-27 2:00 PM |
| 2009-05-27 1:55 PM in reply to: #2175320 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: The Bible Take all this with a grain of salt, because, I'll be the first to admit I do not "live the life." I was born & raised baptist. I still believe in the big 3 (death, resurrection, return) That said... I think it is EXTREMELY pompous to think that by geographic location / birth, I am correct in my beliefs. Of all the religions out there, mine just happened to be the right one, and all the kids that were born in Asia/India/etc are doomed unless they hear a missionary and convert... kind of like winning the lottery. Another thing I always consider... I do good to make it to church 1x a week, if that. I don't think I have much right to go around telling anyone that they are incorrect. I mean c'mon, Radical Muslims are willing (and, as turning your news channel on will indicate, often do) to die for what they believe, but I can't make it to sundayschool... and I'm right and they are wrong... On the other hand, I think we should all make the best choice with the limited information we have. |
 2009-05-27 2:18 PM in reply to: #2176059 |
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