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 2009-08-05 3:16 PM |
Regular 95 |  Subject: Running bike mount without shoesI just watched the new video clip about speedy T1 transitions. I haven't yet attempted practicing the running mount without shoes. I'm just wondering if people do it without "tri" specific bike shoes. I have a pair of Sidi road shoes with 3 velcro straps. My feeling is that I would probably stomp the velco shut with my foot before even getting my foot into the shoe. Does anyone do this successfully on shoes with more than one strap? It's probably not for me, I get wobbly just reaching for my bottle cage, but I can do a running mount on my mountain bike, so maybe if I ever upgrade to tri shoes, it'll work. |
| 2009-08-05 3:27 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290   The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I have Sidi road shoes, and tried often without success to do the shoes-on-the-bike thing with them. They don't open wide enough unles you undo all three straps, which makes them hard to close, plus you have to deal with the ratcheting buckle. Tri-specific shoes make it a billion times easier, to the point where I wouldn't even recommend attempting to do this with road shoes. Whatever you choose to do, practice it first o perfection before attempting it in a race, where you could easily get in someone else's way. |
| 2009-08-05 3:29 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
Veteran 298 Des Moines, IA | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I have shimano 3 strap velcro shoes and am usually pretty successful with leaving the bottom strap velcroed and the top 2 very loose. The middle one I don't typically strain to hard to make tight as long as the top one is snug everything will be all right. Edited by jtaddei 2009-08-05 3:30 PM |
| 2009-08-05 4:30 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
| Regular 95 | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes Oy! I just went outside with my 8 year old to give it a try in my running shoes, just to see if I could hop onto the seat. The answer was a resounding no, and I nearly fileted my ankle! So I don't think I'll practice this one again before this weekends race, but maybe after that one is done, I'll try practicing it. |
| 2009-08-05 4:44 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
Extreme Veteran 589 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I guess I need tri specific shoes because I have tried this before with my road shoes and the three straps are just too much work - here I go again investing in more gear. I just might have to though - because mounting your bike like that looks really cool! |
| 2009-08-05 4:55 PM in reply to: #2330381 |
Veteran 298 Des Moines, IA | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes vtgirl - 2009-08-05 4:30 PM Oy! I just went outside with my 8 year old to give it a try in my running shoes, just to see if I could hop onto the seat. The answer was a resounding no, and I nearly fileted my ankle! So I don't think I'll practice this one again before this weekends race, but maybe after that one is done, I'll try practicing it. if you mount with your right leg swinging over like i do, try to resist the urge to drop your right foot below your pedal or you can kiss the skin on the back of your ankle good bye. Kick your foot out wide until you are sure you can make contact with the pedal. |
| 2009-08-05 7:48 PM in reply to: #2330405 |
| Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes Maybe the biuke shop will throw in a free pair with your new bike! Just wink and smile a lot when they are fitting you! |
| 2009-08-05 7:48 PM in reply to: #2330405 |
| Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes The Nat - 2009-08-05 5:44 PM Maybe the bike shop will throw in a free pair with your new bike! Just wink and smile a lot when they are fitting you!I guess I need tri specific shoes because I have tried this before with my road shoes and the three straps are just too much work - here I go again investing in more gear. I just might have to though - because mounting your bike like that looks really cool! |
| 2009-08-05 11:15 PM in reply to: #2330405 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes The Nat - 2009-08-05 3:44 PM I guess I need tri specific shoes because I have tried this before with my road shoes and the three straps are just too much work - here I go again investing in more gear. I just might have to though - because mounting your bike like that looks really cool! The purpose and goal of this technique is to go faster/save time, not to look cool. If there is no time savings when trying to do this with a 3 strap bike shoe, then there is no sense doing it. I have tri shoes and I find this is faster for me than running in my shoes. I also mount and dismount from my bike with my shoes attached on every ride. There have been times when I can go a week or more without ever unclipping my shoes from the pedals. The key to faster transitions is to do everything you can while moving forward, and minimize everything you need to do while standing still. Get the proper equipment. You don't run in tennis shoes, do you? |
| 2009-08-06 12:41 AM in reply to: #2330199 |
Veteran 393 The Beautiful San Fernando Valley in Sunny L.A. | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes Here's how I do it: The lowest strap (by your toes) stays fastened. The top two are fastened with the tips of the straps just reaching the fuzzy part so they are as loose as possible, so your feet go in easier, but still attached. I have to rubber band my shoes because I have big feet and big shoes dragging on the ground is not good. Here is the big secret: practice! Go into an empty parking lot one morning (or more) and practice, practice, practice. You'll figure out your own system for getting into and out of your shoes but you have to practice over and over so you don't have to think too much when your mind is fuzzy from a bouncy ocean swim (trust me on this one ;-). |
| 2009-08-06 6:10 AM in reply to: #2330199 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I tried this many times, and eventually I'll get into the shoes, but after a few races, I realized that I actually lost time compared to just putting the bikes shoes on in transition instead. |
| 2009-08-06 9:18 AM in reply to: #2330199 |
Veteran 196 Arlington, VA | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I've done it with road shoes in practice, but failed miserably during a race because doing it with dry feet vs. wet feet is totally different. In practice, everything went smoothly. In the first race I did, I had so much trouble that the main velcro strap came out of the loop, and I couldn't get it back in on the bike. I did the entire race (only 13 miles or so, luckily) with the main strap unbuckled. I don't think it mattered that much, actually. But now I do the flying dismount, but put my shoes on in T1. I thought about trying it in my most recent race again because the situation was perfect for a flying mount. (Long grassy run to the mount line that could have fouled the cleats, slippery uphill run to the mount line, and downhill right after the start.) But I chickened out and put my cleats on in T1 anyway. It's unfortunate that races almost always start with an uphill, but I guess it makes sense because we're coming out of the water, and water usually accumulates in low spots . . . |
| 2009-08-06 10:03 AM in reply to: #2331423 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes kcb203 - 2009-08-06 8:18 AM It's unfortunate that races almost always start with an uphill, but I guess it makes sense because we're coming out of the water, and water usually accumulates in low spots . . . An uphill start makes no difference. All that needs to be done is pedal with your feet on top of the shoes until you reach an area better suited for putting your feet in the shoes. A problem many people have is they just push their bike to the mount line, then come to a stop while they screw around with their shoes. This whole technique is designed to be done while moving forward. |
| 2009-08-06 12:10 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
Extreme Veteran 607 Rochester, MN | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes I've found a key is to have enough speed going while pedaling on top of your shoes BEFORE putting your feet into the shoes and tightening the velcro. Much more difficult to do when barely moving or going slow. It's not a big deal to wait until congestion thins out or you get to away from the beginning uphill to get your feet into the shoes. |
| 2009-08-06 2:32 PM in reply to: #2331980 |
1072 | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes mjewen - 2009-08-06 12:10 PM I've found a key is to have enough speed going while pedaling on top of your shoes BEFORE putting your feet into the shoes and tightening the velcro. Much more difficult to do when barely moving or going slow. It's not a big deal to wait until congestion thins out or you get to away from the beginning uphill to get your feet into the shoes. The importance of getting up to speed before putting your feet into the shoes cannot be over stated. Last year I was a volunteer at the IMLouisville and watched the start of the bike leg. There was a slight uphill climb at the start of the bike. The Pros and more experienced triathletes pedaled with their feet on top of their shoes until they were on a flat part of the course and up to speed before putting thier feet inot their shoes. I then saw many folks attempting to put their feet into their shoes soon after mounting the bike. What a mess. There were people weaving all over the place, getting in the way of others. I saw a couple of them fall and one ride himself and another rider into a barrier. Some had to stop, and get off and put their shoes on. It wasn't "cool" and I don't think many if any of these folks improved their time. Like everything else " nothing new on race day" If you want to do this, practice this until it becomes second nature so you actually save time and don't put yourself or someone else at risk during a race. |
| 2009-08-06 2:44 PM in reply to: #2332436 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes So I'm confused, why can't you do a flying mount (think cyclocross style) if you put your shoes on in T1? For me, it's faster to put my shoes on in t1 and do a running mount then to leave them in the pedals and do a stationary mount in order to keep the 3 straps open. Yes, a single strap shoe in the pedal combined with a flying mount is fastest, but there is no reason (other then lack of ability) you can't do a flying mount if you put your shoes on in T1. ETA, for clarification on why I'm confused, flying mounts and starting with the shoes in the pedals are separated issues for me. A flying mount is just jumping on while at a run. No stopping to get on the bike. It doesn't matter if it's with your shoes already on or clipped into the pedals. Edited by graceful_dave 2009-08-06 2:48 PM |
| 2009-08-06 2:50 PM in reply to: #2332463 |
| Regular 95 | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes graceful_dave - 2009-08-06 3:44 PM So I'm confused, why can't you do a flying mount (think cyclocross style) if you put your shoes on in T1? For me, it's faster to put my shoes on in t1 and do a running mount then to leave them in the pedals and do a stationary mount in order to keep the 3 straps open. Yes, a single strap shoe in the pedal combined with a flying mount is fastest, but there is no reason (other then lack of ability) you can't do a flying mount if you put your shoes on in T1. Well you can do a flying a mount after putting your shoes on in T1, but you'll save more transition time if you do the flying mount barefoot with shoes on pedals. I watched the new video up in the article area about T1, and they show a side by side comparison of two guys going into T1. |
| 2009-08-06 3:17 PM in reply to: #2332485 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes vtgirl - 2009-08-06 2:50 PM graceful_dave - 2009-08-06 3:44 PM So I'm confused, why can't you do a flying mount (think cyclocross style) if you put your shoes on in T1? For me, it's faster to put my shoes on in t1 and do a running mount then to leave them in the pedals and do a stationary mount in order to keep the 3 straps open. Yes, a single strap shoe in the pedal combined with a flying mount is fastest, but there is no reason (other then lack of ability) you can't do a flying mount if you put your shoes on in T1. Well you can do a flying a mount after putting your shoes on in T1, but you'll save more transition time if you do the flying mount barefoot with shoes on pedals. I watched the new video up in the article area about T1, and they show a side by side comparison of two guys going into T1. Link to referenced new video |
| 2009-08-06 9:10 PM in reply to: #2332463 |
Veteran 393 The Beautiful San Fernando Valley in Sunny L.A. | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes graceful_dave - 2009-08-06 12:44 PM So I'm confused, why can't you do a flying mount (think cyclocross style) if you put your shoes on in T1? Aren't cyclocross/MTB shoes more suited to walking and running than road racing shoes? If I tried running in my road shoes I'm sure I'd be slip-sliding all over the place. |
| 2009-08-06 9:18 PM in reply to: #2330199 |
Veteran 187 Boulder, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running bike mount without shoes You've already spent how much on a bike? Go ahead and get some tri shoes! I recently learned how to do a flying mount and dismount in only a few miles of practicing on my tri bike (and first time in shoes and pedals) and performed it great in the race the next day. The key is just to ride back and forth down an empty stretch of road practicing getting in and out of your shoes. However, I don't think I could do it with normal road shoes because I actually reach down and grab the hook on the heel whenever I am getting my foot in or out (this does require some degree of flexibility though, but for me it was easier than fooling around with trying to get in and out by feel). The actual flying mount and dismount was easy enough, just make sure you're not going so fast on your dismount that you hurt your foot when it hits the pavement at speed. |
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