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2009-12-11 8:03 AM

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Heard this mornin on Fox 2 and on WWJ that the house and senate both passed a restaurant and bar smoking ban. The govenor said she would sign it and it will take affect in May! Oh happy dance!


2009-12-11 8:31 AM
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OmiGOD!! That would be amazing!!! Come out of the dark ages, Michigan!
2009-12-11 9:28 AM
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Can't wait to go out and not come home smelling like i smoke a couple packs.  We often go to a place that already has banned smoking inside for that reason. 
2009-12-11 11:55 AM
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We've been advocating for this for years through my work...I can't believe it's finally happening!
2009-12-11 12:07 PM
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Our Smoking Cessation provider is doing flips. she has been working to get this pushed through. however I work at the federal level and this law does not apply. We are work at the national level to get that changed too.
2009-12-11 12:23 PM
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My wife & I were in Chicago for the RnR 1/2 in August and went to Howl at the Moon the Friday Night before.  Being in a bar THAT big with ZERO smoke was awesome, as IL already has a ban.  This is great news (just wish they would have eliminated it the casinos too, but I get why they didn't).


2009-12-11 2:47 PM
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Oh boy....here it is. 

I don't smoke and I don't like smelling like smoke from others that do...but I think the owner of the business should make the decision as to if they are a smoking or non-smoking establishment.  Not the government.

 

 

2009-12-11 3:03 PM
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hamiltks10 - 2009-12-11 3:47 PM

Oh boy....here it is. 

I don't smoke and I don't like smelling like smoke from others that do...but I think the owner of the business should make the decision as to if they are a smoking or non-smoking establishment.  Not the government.

 

 




....OR....the officials in the government that were DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people can make a law that not only protects my individual rights to enjoy clean air, but also protects the employees of that business, similar to other labor laws that have been on the books for decades.
2009-12-11 3:22 PM
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jazz82482 - 2009-12-11 4:03 PM
hamiltks10 - 2009-12-11 3:47 PM

Oh boy....here it is. 

I don't smoke and I don't like smelling like smoke from others that do...but I think the owner of the business should make the decision as to if they are a smoking or non-smoking establishment.  Not the government.

 

 

....OR....the officials in the government that were DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people can make a law that not only protects my individual rights to enjoy clean air, but also protects the employees of that business, similar to other labor laws that have been on the books for decades.


Yup...it's silly that we have OSHA to protect workers in worksites from things like harmful chemicals, but those workers could also be regularly exposed to a class A carcinogen.  I worked my way through school by waiting tables and bartending...it was good money and had flexible hours...just wish this ban had been in effect back then! 

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jazz82482 - 2009-12-11 4:03 PM
hamiltks10 - 2009-12-11 3:47 PM

Oh boy....here it is. 

I don't smoke and I don't like smelling like smoke from others that do...but I think the owner of the business should make the decision as to if they are a smoking or non-smoking establishment.  Not the government.

 

 

....OR....the officials in the government that were DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people can make a law that not only protects my individual rights to enjoy clean air, but also protects the employees of that business, similar to other labor laws that have been on the books for decades.

You make a fine point.  And I guess I do have the right to leave this state if I am unhappy in the way the people continue to vote and how our democratically elected leaders run things.

They pass the non-smoking bill and everyone is happy...I'm sure they're hoping the voters will forget that our elected leaders can't pass a budget without the threat of shutting down the state, are taking money away from schools and are cutting basic services. 

It looks like a "smoke" screen to me.  : )

(Really...I'll be a happier person coming home at night not smelling like an ash tray.  I don't deny that one bit.  Also, it's too close to the holidays to be talking politics.  This is it for me until next year.)

2009-12-11 3:35 PM
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hamiltks10 - 2009-12-11 4:23 PM

jazz82482 - 2009-12-11 4:03 PM
hamiltks10 - 2009-12-11 3:47 PM

Oh boy....here it is. 

I don't smoke and I don't like smelling like smoke from others that do...but I think the owner of the business should make the decision as to if they are a smoking or non-smoking establishment.  Not the government.

 

 

....OR....the officials in the government that were DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people can make a law that not only protects my individual rights to enjoy clean air, but also protects the employees of that business, similar to other labor laws that have been on the books for decades.

You make a fine point.  And I guess I do have the right to leave this state if I am unhappy in the way the people continue to vote and how our democratically elected leaders run things.

They pass the non-smoking bill and everyone is happy...I'm sure they're hoping the voters will forget that our elected leaders can't pass a budget without the threat of shutting down the state, are taking money away from schools and are cutting basic services. 

It looks like a "smoke" screen to me.  : )

(Really...I'll be a happier person coming home at night not smelling like an ash tray.  I don't deny that one bit.  Also, it's too close to the holidays to be talking politics.  This is it for me until next year.)



I most definitely see through the smoke screen

I do not envy the lawmakers job one bit. What a crappy time to be a politician in Michigan. But I'm still stoked about the no smoking ban

OK, no more politics- just egg nog and holiday shopping.


2009-12-12 9:52 AM
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This is rediculous!  I don't smoke, hate the things, but the government does not have the right to tell me as a business owner how to run my business.

If second hand smoke is so dangerous, why allow the employees in casino's and other selected bars to be poisoned?  Doesn't the government care about those people.

What about the children of smokers.  Doesn't the government care about the children.  Why ban smoking in business where everyone including employees has the choice of entering, but allow it in homes with children where the children have no choice but to inhale the smoke?

It is all about the money.  The government just can't live without the tax from cigaretts.

What choices will they take away next?

2009-12-12 1:52 PM
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This sucks for me.  Not because of personal rights but purely selfish, SMOKERS ARE JOB SECURITY for me.  The more smokers there are, the more second hand smoke that people inhale, the more cancer patients I see.   How dare the government try to decrease my patient population.  How dare the government stick up for the rights of the majority.  How dare anyone decide that I should live by rules. 

If you are totally naive, you will read the above and not catch my sarcastic tone.  I see people everyday that smoke or live with smokers, or work in an area where smoking is allowed, dying, and I can't do anything to help them.  I feel sorry for them but it is not my choice or the choice of the majority to smoke. 

So sorry if this offends but I deal with death from cigarettes daily.  Every day I try to find better ways to cure cancer.  The only thing that is truly effective is preventing it in the first place. 

For many years, I've had the right to choose to go to a bar that allows smoking or not, this only gives smokers the same choice, just opposite.  The smokers will now have to choose if they want to go somewhere that does not allow smoking.  Maybe I'll give up tri's and start bowling. 



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2009-12-12 2:39 PM
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jogo - 2009-12-12 1:52 PM

How dare the government stick up for the rights of the majority.  How dare anyone decide that I should live by rules. 

If you are totally naive, you will read the above and not catch my sarcastic tone.  I see people everyday that smoke or live with smokers, or work in an area where smoking is allowed, dying, and I can't do anything to help them.  I feel sorry for them but it is not my choice or the choice of the majority to smoke. 

So sorry if this offends but I deal with death from cigarettes daily.  Every day I try to find better ways to cure cancer.  The only thing that is truly effective is preventing it in the first place. 

For many years, I've had the right to choose to go to a bar that allows smoking or not, this only gives smokers the same choice, just opposite.  The smokers will now have to choose if they want to go somewhere that does not allow smoking.  Maybe I'll give up tri's and start bowling. 



Yea for years you had a choice, but now the business owner does not.  What about the bar owner where 80% of his patrons smoked.  Now he may loose 50% of his business and have to close.   Anyone who doesn't like smoking should tell the business owner that they will not come back as long as there is smoking.  Then let the owner make his choice.

Yes, the majority has rights, but those rights stop at my property.

Yes, smoking is deadly both to the smoker and probably to the people around them.

My wife and one son has alergies so we have to avoid bars with a lot of smoke and even avoid her parents house for long periods of time.  Everyone who does not smoke should avoid bars and restaurants that allow smoking, but it is not the governments right to tell someone how to run their business.

If they can stop individuals from doing something, why can't the government mandate triathlon training for everyone.  You can't argue that it would be beneficial.  Everyone has to train for at least 5 hours a week, and all fast food restaurants are closed.  There are probably as many doctors who would recommend exercise as there are who would advise against smoking.

I know this is not triathlon related, but I spent years growing my business.  The first two years it was 7 days a week and I didn't draw a pay check.  Then a year of every other Sunday off, then things got really easy for me and I took every Sunday off.  Now after 9 years I get every Sunday off and every other Saturday.  I did this because it is my business, I made the choice to make the sacrifice.  And since I made the sacrifice and it is MY business and the government does not have the right to make rules for my private property.  My customers make the rules for me.
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jogo - 2009-12-12 1:52 PM

How dare the government stick up for the rights of the majority.  How dare anyone decide that I should live by rules. 

If you are totally naive, you will read the above and not catch my sarcastic tone.  I see people everyday that smoke or live with smokers, or work in an area where smoking is allowed, dying, and I can't do anything to help them.  I feel sorry for them but it is not my choice or the choice of the majority to smoke. 

So sorry if this offends but I deal with death from cigarettes daily.  Every day I try to find better ways to cure cancer.  The only thing that is truly effective is preventing it in the first place. 

For many years, I've had the right to choose to go to a bar that allows smoking or not, this only gives smokers the same choice, just opposite.  The smokers will now have to choose if they want to go somewhere that does not allow smoking.  Maybe I'll give up tri's and start bowling. 



Yea for years you had a choice, but now the business owner does not.  What about the bar owner where 80% of his patrons smoked.  Now he may loose 50% of his business and have to close.   Anyone who doesn't like smoking should tell the business owner that they will not come back as long as there is smoking.  Then let the owner make his choice.

Yes, the majority has rights, but those rights stop at my property.

Yes, smoking is deadly both to the smoker and probably to the people around them.

My wife and one son has alergies so we have to avoid bars with a lot of smoke and even avoid her parents house for long periods of time.  Everyone who does not smoke should avoid bars and restaurants that allow smoking, but it is not the governments right to tell someone how to run their business.

If they can stop individuals from doing something, why can't the government mandate triathlon training for everyone.  You can't argue that it would be beneficial.  Everyone has to train for at least 5 hours a week, and all fast food restaurants are closed.  There are probably as many doctors who would recommend exercise as there are who would advise against smoking.

I know this is not triathlon related, but I spent years growing my business.  The first two years it was 7 days a week and I didn't draw a pay check.  Then a year of every other Sunday off, then things got really easy for me and I took every Sunday off.  Now after 9 years I get every Sunday off and every other Saturday.  I did this because it is my business, I made the choice to make the sacrifice.  And since I made the sacrifice and it is MY business and the government does not have the right to make rules for my private property.  My customers make the rules for me.

People go into a bar for the socialization.  We can smoke and drink at home. Many of my friends, when given the choice of a smokey bar vs. somewhere not smokey to drink, choose the latter. WE ARE NOT YOUR CUSTOMERS RIGHT NOW but may be in the future. You make adjustments.   I can guarantee you I have more money to spend because I do not waste my money on cigarettes.

Your points are valid but there are already rules for your private property, drinking age, illegal drugs, prostitution, etc..  This is just another rule and actually is good for the majority.  You may see an increase with the non-smoking, just a different clientele, ones that actually might have more money to spend because they don't waste it on a pack of cigs.  I personally avoid bars right now, I do not avoid alcohol.  Its not like your smoking customers are going to choose the bar down the street because they allow smoking and you don't.  This is an across the board ruling. 

2009-12-12 5:15 PM
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I agree it should be up to the business owner.  There are places I go and don't go as a non-smoker but it's my choice.  There are places that will adapt and stay open and there will be failures of bars and jobs will be loss.

If this worthless state goverenment wants to help the people of this state, they should  stop the Canadian trash that ships in daily.


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