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tjtryon - 2010-03-06 11:14 AM Before you slam me on my interpretation of the Tennessee law, though I personally think Tennessee's laws are unconstitutional, I agree with what Tennessee is trying to do in limiting the fed. reach into these issues. I am a NRA member and a CCW holder, and have been known to exercise my right to carry when cycling or running, so I am biased in favor of less gun laws. Tennessee unfortunatly got the concept wrong, though, fortunatly, it has not correctly been challenged.

Nah, I wouldn't slam you for anything... my post was a 50,000ft view to bring up additional points. I knew Heller was going to stir things up. Especially since it was left so open. I didn't get into details because I had to get to the pool.

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SevenZulu - 2010-03-06 11:47 AM

I'll take an iced caramel macchiato with a hollow point double tap please.

Would you like whip cream with that?

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Tjtryon

Thank your for the very well presented information.

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trinnas - 2010-03-06 7:24 PM

Tjtryon

Thank your for the very well presented information.

A couple semesters of Con Law, and it's something I can somewhat intelligently discuss - it's a subject I actually really enjoy.

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JeffIrvin - 2010-03-05 4:16 PM

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JeffIrvin - 2010-03-05 11:55 AM Like you two, when I carry, it is my preference to concealed carry. One of the main reasons for this is because I also prefer a shoulder holster. That concealed vs. open carry debate runs for pages and pages on gun forums. It's just like the debate over condition 1 carry and manual safeties. My preference, according to some, is equivalent of carrying a brick instead of a firearm. Because I have children, I don't prefer to have one in the pipe and I prefer a manual safety. 15rds in an M9 is perfect for me.

I never have one in the chamber unless I intend to use it as well. My feelings are that if I can't pull the slide in half a second, I wasn't going to win the fight anyway. I do have 17+1 capacity in my PX4 in 9mm. Love the ambidextrousness. I'm a lefty.

Same as you guys. I usually carry a sub-compact Glock 33 (.357 sig) in the square of my back and never have a round in the chamber. The slide can be pulled so quick and since a Glock only has the single trigger safety I feel much more comfortable this way.

I carry a Sig P228, and I always carry with one in the chamber. Everything I've been taught is that your fine motor control goes to crap when your adrenaline kicks in, and that remember to, and then actually racking the slide isn't very likely to happen in time. I'd rather be safe than sorry I guess!

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aaron.ard - 2010-03-08 4:52 PM

JeffIrvin - 2010-03-05 4:16 PM

crazyyella - 2010-03-05 3:37 PM

Pector55 - 2010-03-05 1:21 PM

JeffIrvin - 2010-03-05 11:55 AM Like you two, when I carry, it is my preference to concealed carry. One of the main reasons for this is because I also prefer a shoulder holster. That concealed vs. open carry debate runs for pages and pages on gun forums. It's just like the debate over condition 1 carry and manual safeties. My preference, according to some, is equivalent of carrying a brick instead of a firearm. Because I have children, I don't prefer to have one in the pipe and I prefer a manual safety. 15rds in an M9 is perfect for me.

I never have one in the chamber unless I intend to use it as well. My feelings are that if I can't pull the slide in half a second, I wasn't going to win the fight anyway. I do have 17+1 capacity in my PX4 in 9mm. Love the ambidextrousness. I'm a lefty.

Same as you guys. I usually carry a sub-compact Glock 33 (.357 sig) in the square of my back and never have a round in the chamber. The slide can be pulled so quick and since a Glock only has the single trigger safety I feel much more comfortable this way.

I carry a Sig P228, and I always carry with one in the chamber. Everything I've been taught is that your fine motor control goes to crap when your adrenaline kicks in, and that remember to, and then actually racking the slide isn't very likely to happen in time. I'd rather be safe than sorry I guess!

Aaron

My non-run/bike carry gun is a Beretta .40. My run/bike carry gun is a Kel-tek 6 shot .380 (P3-AT). It tucks nicely into a cycling jersey pocket, or in the band of my bike shorts (it has a "pocket clip", and does not weigh anything...). It's a last resort, if I can not outrun whatever threat, I have 6 shots. If it takes more than 6 shots to deal with the issue, I'm probably beyond-screwed at that point in time anyways.

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trinnas - 2010-03-06 8:45 AM Jackemy (the quote is getting too long):

Thank you I think I understand your thinking now and if find the discussion very interesting. I understand what you mean about the tyranny of the minority in a lot of politics today. That being said, shouldn't rights granted by the bill of rights necessarily be considered inviolable at any level? If not then what was the point? Why bother to amend the constitution to give citizens a group of fundamental rights that could then be violated at will by the states? Additionally why would some of the rights granted by the bill of rights be considered inviolable by the states and some not?

You know, it's not like I don't have enough to study already. Now you guys have piqued my curiosity about the questions I just asked. I guess it's a good thing it's spring break, now that I only have work, the family and training to worry about I might be able to find some spare time to look into it.

I think Tj is doing a great job at anwering these things at a more studied level. I'm just a hack local politician and taught myself enough about the Constitution to talk about it in broad brush strokes.

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I have a CPL, carry every day, everywhere I can. I am not a fan of open carry. The reason being is that no one needs to know I am carrying and I dont need some over protective mom coming up and chewing me out for carrying open in the grocery store if I felt the need. There are enough people out there that are anti gun nuts that I dont need them raising a stink to management so that the store puts a sign on their door saying no firearms. Once they add that sign, that's one more place I can't carry into.

Those of us that are licensed, trained, and legally carry are not the problem, the problem is those that obtain firearms illegally. If you outlaw all the legal firearms, the only people that will have them is the criminals. Take Chicago for instance, do you think the criminals really care if its illegal to carry? If they want a gun, they are going to buy it black market

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Shortyy - 2010-03-09 9:13 AM

I have a CPL, carry every day, everywhere I can. I am not a fan of open carry. The reason being is that no one needs to know I am carrying and I dont need some over protective mom coming up and chewing me out for carrying open in the grocery store if I felt the need. There are enough people out there that are anti gun nuts that I dont need them raising a stink to management so that the store puts a sign on their door saying no firearms. Once they add that sign, that's one more place I can't carry into.

Those of us that are licensed, trained, and legally carry are not the problem, the problem is those that obtain firearms illegally. If you outlaw all the legal firearms, the only people that will have them is the criminals. Take Chicago for instance, do you think the criminals really care if its illegal to carry? If they want a gun, they are going to buy it black market

What is a CPL? In PA we have a LTCF "License to Carry Firearms" but in reality it is a license to concealed carry since open carry is already legal. While I agree with what you are saying, it's a shame that we can be bullied into giving up a legal right.

If a private business puts a sign on their door you can still carry there. If they ask you to leave, you have to leave. You cannot get in trouble for carrying there in the first place though.

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