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2005-08-26 10:27 AM

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I thought this was interesting. 9 states in the Northeast are drafting their own plan to cut emissions by 10% by 2020 since the federal government decided not to do it. Its nice to see local governments taking control of important issues on the enviroment when the federal government chooses not to. If anyone is interested maybe a nice letter to the local legislature or city council might let the local governments know we care about clean air.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/nyregion/24air.html?th=&adxnnl=1&...


2005-08-26 10:42 AM
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I wonder how much emissions would be cut if local goverments actually got serious about improving bike commuting.  I live in California which is supposedly supposed to by kinda bike friendly but I don't see it.  The bike lanes will be going along and then just end at a overpass or on ramp.  Being a bike newbie, I am still nervous about getting into traffic.

I wonder how many people would commute if they required all large office buildings to have showers? But then again I wonder how much energy we would save if they required the office buildings to turn off some of the lights at night.

However, I can't complain about my commute. Its from the bedroom to the next room which is my office. My traffic jam entails getting around my very fat black lab.

2005-08-26 10:49 AM
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CVSURF - 2005-08-26 11:42 AM

I But then again I wonder how much energy we would save if they required the office buildings to turn off some of the lights at night.



I'm with ya there brother...that's a pet peeve of mine. Seeing pictures of any city at night and looking at all the buildings totally lit up. Multiply that by thousands of cities.

And to think my mom always yelled at me about leaving the bathroom light on!


You know, we COULD be driving in more fuel efficient vehicles, but we're our own worst enemy. How many of us are willing to give up size and power for efficiency? Not many it appears. So we will just sit back and eventually let OPEC force us into into it.



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2005-08-26 10:55 AM
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kanoelani - 2005-08-26 8:27 AM ...since the federal government decided not to do it. Its nice to see local governments taking control of important issues on the enviroment when the federal government chooses not to.

I work in the pollution control industry (design emissions control systems for power plants) and just wanted to clear up some ambiguity here.  The federal government DOES regulate power plant emissions, and recently passed a number of new regulations that will force power plants to significantly reduce SO2, NOx, particulate, and mercury emissions in the next 5-15 years.  Utilities and engineering firms in the US are going to be hard-pressed to find the resources to complete the design/construction of these controls by the imposed federal deadlines. 

This article is specifically talking about the emissions of CO2 from power plants.  There is a lot of data that contradicts the claim that CO2 is directly linked to global warming, and therefore our current administration (whether wrong or right - I'm not advocating any opinion here) has chosen not to support regulations on CO2 at this time.  It is likely that federal regulations will be introduced in the future, when the technology to reduce these emissions is more highly developed.

I don't have a problem with states deciding to regulate their power plants above and beyond what the federal government calls for (it keeps me employed!!), just be warned that regulations like do result in a higher utility bill for all of us, and aren't always based on hard science. 

Just my 2 cents.  I hate it when everyone walks around acting like the government doesn't regulate power plants - if they didn't, I wouldn't have a job!



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2005-08-26 1:10 PM
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Stacy,
I have a question. What are the countries that signed the Kyoto Accord doing to make changes. Do you think we didn't sign it because it would be too expensive to implement? I'm glad there is some regulation, but why not take further steps. Would people be more conservative with power usage if it was more expensive. It doesn't seem so with gasoline and cars. I wonder when the shift away from SUV's will happen or when more SUV's will switch to hybrid models. How expensive will gasoline and power have to get before people start being more conservative. I say let's give the industry you work in more work to do. If there is a demand for more efficient power using devices someone will manufacture it. We need to let the government and big business know that what we want are more fuel/power efficient models in everything from refrigerators to cars.

I vote for more bike lanes.
2005-08-26 1:46 PM
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Yeah, essentially the conservatives felt Kyoto could have too much of a negative impact on the economy.  I don't know how much of that is true and how much is exaggeration, because I haven't followed it too closely (i.e. haven't seen any real projected numbers on what it would cost).  It is likely that it would have a significant impact on power generation prices.

In the industry, I think most utilities and engineering companies are expecting the government to pass *some* sort of CO2 legislation within this decade.  We already have utility customers asking us to evaluate CO2 reduction technologies for them - I think it will happen eventually, but it won't be as strict as Kyoto.  These 9 states are probably anticipating that and figure they might as well clean up their air sooner than later, and please democratic voters while they're at it.

I agree with you - I wish there was a point where people would reduce dependance on fossil fuels as prices rise, but it doesn't seem to happen...  There are a lot of renewable energy technogies being developed, but I don't think any of them will become mainstream until the fossil fuel shortage becomes a crisis.  I think that will come sooner for the oil industry than for the power industry - there's a lot more coal left to burn...

I vote for more bike lanes too



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kanoelani - 2005-08-26 10:10 AMStacy,I have a question. What are the countries that signed the Kyoto Accord doing to make changes. Do you think we didn't sign it because it would be too expensive to implement? I'm glad there is some regulation, but why not take further steps. Would people be more conservative with power usage if it was more expensive. It doesn't seem so with gasoline and cars. I wonder when the shift away from SUV's will happen or when more SUV's will switch to hybrid models. How expensive will gasoline and power have to get before people start being more conservative. I say let's give the industry you work in more work to do. If there is a demand for more efficient power using devices someone will manufacture it. We need to let the government and big business know that what we want are more fuel/power efficient models in everything from refrigerators to cars.I vote for more bike lanes.


Remember, it takes money to create more power efficient equipment (e.g., autos, power plants). You have to balance the economic impacts with the environmental impacts. If you place such strict requirements on auto manufacturers and power plants, then they would go bankrupt. Toyota is an example of a manufacturer responding to demand for its hybrid vehicles, but it is not a result of government regulations. But realize, the Toyota Pruis costs quite a bit more than a comparable Corolla or Camry and it takes alot of driving (mileage) to make up the cost difference between fuel cost and auto cost for the user (driver). Also, we are using more fuel/power efficient equipment today than compared to years in the past but there are simply more users (people) in the world which tends to make environmental impacts look greater.

But I agree with you on more bike lanes. I for one enjoy commuting by my Cervelo more than by my Jeep.

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