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2005-09-21 11:21 AM
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Motivated - 2005-09-20 4:57 AM

For those of you who don't live in the vaunted South, there's a certain aire about it with regard to the SEC.  If you listen to radio sports talk, the news casts, or read the papers, its SEC first and everything else second.  What these poor folks fail to realize is that the glory days of the SEC began to fade years ago.  At best, the SEC is the 4th or 5th strongest conference in the nation, but you'd never know it living here in Atlanta.

Can someone from a very down Big XII weigh in here.  SEC 4th or 5th strongest conference at best???  Are you high?  So if you claim ACC to be the strongest conference, who would be 2, 3, and 4?  Big Ten?  They have Michigan,

Ohio St
, and maybe Iowa??  Big XII.  You got Texas???  Pac 10??  You got USC???  SEC has a minimum of 5 top 25 teams each year.  SEC produced the National Champion(LSU) 2 years ago.  Should have had a team in it last year(undefeated Auburn). 



2005-09-21 11:36 AM
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ghart2 - 2005-09-21 8:21 AM

Motivated - 2005-09-20 4:57 AM

For those of you who don't live in the vaunted South, there's a certain aire about it with regard to the SEC.  If you listen to radio sports talk, the news casts, or read the papers, its SEC first and everything else second.  What these poor folks fail to realize is that the glory days of the SEC began to fade years ago.  At best, the SEC is the 4th or 5th strongest conference in the nation, but you'd never know it living here in Atlanta.

Can someone from a very down Big XII weigh in here.  SEC 4th or 5th strongest conference at best???  Are you high?  So if you claim ACC to be the strongest conference, who would be 2, 3, and 4?  Big Ten?  They have Michigan,

Ohio St
, and maybe Iowa??  Big XII.  You got Texas???  Pac 10??  You got USC???  SEC has a minimum of 5 top 25 teams each year.  SEC produced the National Champion(LSU) 2 years ago.  Should have had a team in it last year(undefeated Auburn). 



PAC10 has in the top 25:

Arizona State
California
Oregon
UCLA
USC

Leave us out of your Easy Coast bias argument....





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2005-09-21 12:33 PM
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Rocket Man - 2005-09-21 11:01 AM

Thanks Jim.....the argument is about which is the better conference.....not who is the better team. Before this year there is no way anyone could argue ACC vs SEC....there is just no comparing the two. This year with VaTech playing well, the ACC has 3 good teams (FSU, Miami), the SEC however has 6 (GA, FLA, TENN, ALA, LSU, AUB)...and don't give me the "GA Tech beat Auburn" argument. The North Ave Trade School are inconsistant at best......


Are we talking today as we sit here or the past. It's important, because in the past the SEC was the better conference, however, this year it doesn't seem to be shaping up that way. I'll give you Ga., Fla., Tenn, and LSU, but the ACC puts that many quality teams also in FSU, Miami, and Va. Tech. I'm not sold on Ala or Auburn Warchickens being quality teams. At least not of the same calibre of the previously mentioned 6 teams. If they are they are no better than Ga. Tech, Clemson or BC.

The original post is right, this year the ACC is just as good, top-to-bottom as the SEC, if not better.

The better team issue comes into play because it was said specifically that winning the SEC was just as good as winning a national title because of the difficulty of the conference. That's total garbage.
2005-09-21 1:00 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-09-21 8:16 AM

Hoo...sombody's got their panties in a bunch...

ASA22 - 2005-09-21 7:50 AM  You, as a fan really believe that winning an SEC title is just as good as winning a National title?!? OK...maybe not as meaningful, but in many cases as difficult.

If that is the honest truth, then my point has been proven. I'm so tired of hearing that crap! It's the justification used by SEC teams for playing week non-coference schedules. C'mon...you're going to say that two weeks after FSU looked like a mediocre I-AA team for three quarters against the Citadel?

Oh...our conference is so difficult we can't play the top teir teams out of conference. B.S.!!! The Citadel.

The proof is in the pudding, look at the winning percentage of the SEC verse ranked non-conference opponents and compare to the ACC's winning percentage against ranked non-conference opponents. The ACC's winning percentage against RANKED non-conference opponents is higher. The actual numbers show that in any way you want to measure the strength of the conference the ACC, top-to-bottom, is a stronger conference. Blah, blah, blah. The fact is, it's a fluke that you can even make that argument for one year. So this ACC is relatively strong this year. But you know that par for the ACC course is one or two good teams, plus a bunch of door mats.

So little gator, you be happy with your SEC conference win. I am happy with an SEC championship. I'd love to see how FSU would do in a conference where they had to play Georgia, Auburn and FLorida back-to-back-back, year in and year out.

For me, I expect to win the ACC every year, even now with Miami, Va. Tech, and BC in the conference. I would, too, in a conference filled with perrenial doormats. What happened last year? Oh yeah...no ACC championship, and a loss to Florida. No wonder all the hostility.What I also expect is to challenge for a National title. When was your last one? Oh yeah. 1999. Been a long time, huh?

And contrary to your assertion... A conference title IS NOT as good as winning a National Championship! Yeah...you already said that. Running out of arguments? It's an excuse that SEC teams keep chanting to themselves...."Our conference is the toughest, so wining the conference is just as good as winning a National Title....." Keep saying it enough and you might actually believe it. Oh... and FSU isn't in the SEC so what are the Gators excuse for the 'Noles relative lopsided winning percentage against the Gators from the mid 80's through the present? Florida 20, FSU 13 (at Doak, no less). Is it because the Gators are so beat up from playing that tough SEC schedule every year. Must be tough winning against the likes of Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, vanderbilt, So. Carolina, Miss St., Kentucky, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana Tech., FAMU, San Jose State. The Citadel.

FACT: Since 1998 the Mighty gators are 4-11 against non-conferance ranked opponents. I guess that's why the SEC championship is so important, because your likelyhood of beating a non-conference ranked opponent is practically nil! Unless it's FSU.



Dude, FSU is 9-5-1 against the Gators since 1990, you are 4-11-1 verse non-conference ranked oppenents over the same time period. In addition to Fla. in our schedules for the upcoming years we've added non-conference games against, Colorado, BYU, Oklahoma and are trying to schedule USC to a home and home after 2011.

2005-09-21 1:00 PM
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ASA22 - 2005-09-21 11:33 AM
Rocket Man - 2005-09-21 11:01 AM Thanks Jim.....the argument is about which is the better conference.....not who is the better team. Before this year there is no way anyone could argue ACC vs SEC....there is just no comparing the two. This year with VaTech playing well, the ACC has 3 good teams (FSU, Miami), the SEC however has 6 (GA, FLA, TENN, ALA, LSU, AUB)...and don't give me the "GA Tech beat Auburn" argument. The North Ave Trade School are inconsistant at best......
Are we talking today as we sit here or the past. It's important, because in the past the SEC was the better conference, however, this year it doesn't seem to be shaping up that way. I'll give you Ga., Fla., Tenn, and LSU, but the ACC puts that many quality teams also in FSU, Miami, and Va. Tech. I'm not sold on Ala or Auburn Warchickens being quality teams. At least not of the same calibre of the previously mentioned 6 teams. If they are they are no better than Ga. Tech, Clemson or BC. The original post is right, this year the ACC is just as good, top-to-bottom as the SEC, if not better. The better team issue comes into play because it was said specifically that winning the SEC was just as good as winning a national title because of the difficulty of the conference. That's total garbage.

I don't see how you can even claim that as of today?  What does anyone really know as of today?  Teams have played maybe 3 games.  You just said you are not sold on Bama or Auburn being quality teams and if they are, they are no better than G. Tech, Clemson, or BC.  But correct me if I am wrong, FSU needed a muffed field goal to beat Miami, who needed 3 OT's to beat a Clemson team, who needed a last second field goal to beat Texas A&M at home.  So as of today, can you really claim FSU and Miami being all that quality??

2005-09-21 1:21 PM
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This is a useless debate, FSU and Florida play in November, we'll see then. At the end of the year we will be able to break down each conferences performance.

but as a brief answer, do i believe FSU, Va. Tech, and Miami are quality teams...yes. Do I believe Fla., Tenn., and Ga. are quality teams...yes.



I'm done.


2005-09-21 2:22 PM
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ASA22 - 2005-09-21 1:21 PM This is a useless debate.

Talk to Karl. The 'nole started it...

2005-09-21 4:09 PM
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ASA22 - 2005-09-21 9:15 AM
Really, you want to compare bowl victories between FSU and Georgia.. really, OK I'm game: 1982 FSU 31 W. Va. 12 1983 FSU 28 NC 3 1984 FSU 17 GA 17 1985 FSU 34 Ok St. 23 1986 FSU 27 Indiana 13 1988 FSU 31 Nebraska 28 1989 FSU 13 Auburn 7 1990 FSU 41 Nebraska 17 1991 FSU 24 Penn State 17 1992 FSU 10 Texas A&M 2 1993 FSU 27 Nebraska 13 1994 FSU 18 Nebraska 16 1995 FSU 23 Florida 17 1996 FSU 31 Notre Dame 26 1997 FSU 20 Florida 52 (Yikes, a butt kickin' by the Gators!!!) 1998 FSU 31 Ohio State 14 1999 FSU 46 Va. Tech 29 2000 FSU 2 Okl. 13 2001 FSU 30 Va. Tech 17 2002 FSU 13 Ga. 26 2003 FSU 14 Miami 16 2004 FSU 30 w. Va 18 16-4-1: 2 National Championships (Most wins of ANY program since 1990)

It is nice to see that you conveniently left out the Noles loss to Tennessee in the first BCS National Championship game! 

2005-09-21 5:08 PM
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ASA22 - 2005-09-21 1:21 PM This is a useless debate.

Talk to Karl. The 'nole started it...

Yeah, and its some good shit, too.  Great reading.



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