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2012-02-04 8:20 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-02-04 4:18 AM But which program has the highest (publicized) washout rate of all U.S. special operations groups? Here's a hint: It's not the Navy and it's not the Marine Corps. Or even the Army.

... and does that mean that it is the toughest school... or that it has the worst screening process?

Argumentative. But I'll play ... possibly a little of both. But the same could be said for any of these training programs. I could easily pass the ``minimum'' entry requirements in the SEALs training program but wonder if I could actual training. Same holds true for the one I'm talking about. Though some of the guys in my basic training class went on to USAF special operations and I was in better shape than they were!

I'll go out on a limb and say that your test results wouldn't be strong enough to be competitive for selection to BUDs. (not suggesting mine would either) We all know the minimum is not good enough and is meaningless.



2012-02-04 8:22 AM
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My father in law was an Army Ranger and career Army officer.  He did it all as far as the Ranger stuff goes.  He said the hardest core he ever saw and trained with were the Seals.  He said they were relentless and had a work ethic that was astonishing.  
2012-02-04 8:32 AM
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Found on Military.com:

Swim 500 Yards

Maximum time allowed is 12 minutes, 30 seconds -- but to be competitive, you should swim the distance in at least 8 to 9 minutes, utilizing only the Combat Swimmer Stroke, sidestroke, or breast stroke

Push-ups

Minimum number is 42 in 2 minutes, but you should shoot for at least 100 for an average score. 

Sit-ups

Minimum number is 52 in 2 minutes, but you should strive for at least 100 in 2 minutes for an average score.

Pull-ups

The minimum is eight pull-ups with no time limit, but you cannot touch the ground or let go of the bar. You should be able to do 15 to 20 to be competitive.

1.5-mile run

Wearing boots and pants, the maximum time allowed for this one is 11 minutes, 30 seconds, but you should be able to cover the distance in 9 to 10 minutes to be competitive.

 



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2012-02-04 8:36 AM
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Interesting tidbit I learned from a SEAL...BUDs candidates from northern latitudes have a lower washout rate due to easier acclimation to cold waters of the Pacific.
2012-02-04 8:51 AM
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2012-02-04 9:47 AM
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dangremond - 2012-02-04 8:20 AM

mr2tony - 2012-02-04 6:29 AM
powerman - 2012-02-04 5:24 AM

mr2tony - 2012-02-04 4:18 AM But which program has the highest (publicized) washout rate of all U.S. special operations groups? Here's a hint: It's not the Navy and it's not the Marine Corps. Or even the Army.

... and does that mean that it is the toughest school... or that it has the worst screening process?

Argumentative. But I'll play ... possibly a little of both. But the same could be said for any of these training programs. I could easily pass the ``minimum'' entry requirements in the SEALs training program but wonder if I could actual training. Same holds true for the one I'm talking about. Though some of the guys in my basic training class went on to USAF special operations and I was in better shape than they were!

I'll go out on a limb and say that your test results wouldn't be strong enough to be competitive for selection to BUDs. (not suggesting mine would either) We all know the minimum is not good enough and is meaningless.



Oh no I agree. I doubt Id make it through any special ops training even 20 years ago.
2012-02-04 9:51 AM
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GO watch the video I posted in the other SEAL thread here on page one...even the candidates say that its mental (not that it's not physical...but that isn't the hard part for them).
2012-02-04 10:01 AM
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AdventureBear - 2012-02-04 9:51 AM

GO watch the video I posted in the other SEAL thread here on page one...even the candidates say that its mental (not that it's not physical...but that isn't the hard part for them).


I can't imagine going through that mentally and physically. Amazing how powerful the brain is. I think that's true to a much lesser extent, of course, of basic training in the military. The goal is to break you down then build you back up stronger. I didn't think it was that hard but some guys just cracked. Being 18 made it tougher. I think if people went through basic at a more advanced age, it'd be easier.
2012-02-04 10:48 AM
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Patrick E - 2012-02-03 6:46 AM

I served in the Navy several years ago (but not as a SEAL - not nearly at their level!).  Before I went to boot camp, we were told what the minimum physical requirements for graduation were.  I looked at them and thought to myself how they weren't so bad.  However, within 24 hours of the start of boot camp, we were doing exercises well in advance of the minimum graduation requirements and it only got harder from there. 

Therefore, just based on my limited experience and what I've come to know about the SEALs I would say you can throw out the minimums - the reality is likely much more difficult.  Even as mentally and physically fit as posters on this board are versus the general population, I doubt the majority could get through BUDS.

Weird, not the experience I had. I thought Navy boot camp was a joke... and not because I was physically fit, but because it was a joke. All I got out of it was the Navy boot camp was not at all what Hollywood boot camp was. We had one guy that actually could not do one sit up. Seriously. He was skinny and very weak, so it wasn't because he was the opposite... but he literally could not even do one at the start. I didn't even understand how he could stand upright. He met the minimum to graduate... I think it was 10, and that took him a few minutes. He just made the run cut off by a few seconds.



I second this, Navy boot camp was more about how to fold t-shirts and towels than anything else. We did pretty minimal PT and this was back in the late 80's. We had a ton of guys that did not know how to swim and a bunch more that could not touch their toes(yes, that was a requirement).
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Bradford - 2012-02-04 10:48 AM

powerman - 2012-02-03 9:24 AM

Patrick E - 2012-02-03 6:46 AM

I served in the Navy several years ago (but not as a SEAL - not nearly at their level!).  Before I went to boot camp, we were told what the minimum physical requirements for graduation were.  I looked at them and thought to myself how they weren't so bad.  However, within 24 hours of the start of boot camp, we were doing exercises well in advance of the minimum graduation requirements and it only got harder from there. 

Therefore, just based on my limited experience and what I've come to know about the SEALs I would say you can throw out the minimums - the reality is likely much more difficult.  Even as mentally and physically fit as posters on this board are versus the general population, I doubt the majority could get through BUDS.

Weird, not the experience I had. I thought Navy boot camp was a joke... and not because I was physically fit, but because it was a joke. All I got out of it was the Navy boot camp was not at all what Hollywood boot camp was. We had one guy that actually could not do one sit up. Seriously. He was skinny and very weak, so it wasn't because he was the opposite... but he literally could not even do one at the start. I didn't even understand how he could stand upright. He met the minimum to graduate... I think it was 10, and that took him a few minutes. He just made the run cut off by a few seconds.



I second this, Navy boot camp was more about how to fold t-shirts and towels than anything else. We did pretty minimal PT and this was back in the late 80's. We had a ton of guys that did not know how to swim and a bunch more that could not touch their toes(yes, that was a requirement).


If you can't swim do they automatically boot you from boot in the Navy?


2012-02-04 1:39 PM
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The physical requirements are not what get you into buds or any special forces program. Your mental test scores are just as important, if not more. A successful special warfare operator is a highly self motivated intelligent individual. A majority of DORs are from lack of mental toughness. They are extremely physically fit but much more mentally fit.
2012-02-04 5:15 PM
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If the topic of SEAL training interests you, I recommend reading "Lone Survivor".  True story and an exciting read (despite some of the political diatribes in it).  I thought I was kind of a BAMF until I read it.

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mr2tony - 2012-02-04 9:58 AM  If you can't swim do they automatically boot you from boot in the Navy?

Back then (85) you did not have to swim, you had to tread water for a bit of time. Not too hard. I guess they figured you did not need to know how to swim... if you needed to swim in the Navy you were already screwed.

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powerman - 2012-02-04 9:24 PM

mr2tony - 2012-02-04 9:58 AM  If you can't swim do they automatically boot you from boot in the Navy?

Back then (85) you did not have to swim, you had to tread water for a bit of time. Not too hard. I guess they figured you did not need to know how to swim... if you needed to swim in the Navy you were already screwed.




Ha thats funny stuff right there.
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ssmith2 - 2012-02-04 5:15 PM

If the topic of SEAL training interests you, I recommend reading "Lone Survivor".  True story and an exciting read (despite some of the political diatribes in it).  I thought I was kind of a BAMF until I read it.



Great book! Such an amazing story. BAMF is right.


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Fred D - 2012-02-05 2:41 PM Anyone read the book 'seal team six'?

Not yet but will. You?

2012-02-05 5:12 PM
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This thread cracks me up. It is the minimum, sure you pick up on some of the physical stuff. It's mostly about teamwork, performing Properly under: stress, sleep depervation, hunger, cold, darkness, and underwater
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Fred D - 2012-02-05 3:41 PM

Anyone read the book 'seal team six'?



Yep! Highly recommend it.

Now looking for Lone Survivor!
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ssmith2 - 2012-02-04 6:15 PM

If the topic of SEAL training interests you, I recommend reading "Lone Survivor".  True story and an exciting read (despite some of the political diatribes in it).  I thought I was kind of a BAMF until I read it.

 

Awesome Book!!



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The Navy, and the military in general, doesn't bring people into the forces to fail them or coerce them into joining a Special Operations unit then wash them out to be a paint scrapper on a fueler.

In the last five years the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado has undergone a massive expansion. New buildings, more classes, more instructors. The mandate is clear: Maintain the quality, open the pipeline. Make more operators. There are now at least 10 SEAL teams not counting the cadre at NSWC and the support staff or the Special Boat Teams (SWCC) across the street. SWCC (Special Warfare Combatant craft Crewmen) are another little known Naval Special Warfare asset in the midst of expansion.

From day one in any Special Operations training program the mandate is clear: If you don't want to be here, they'll help you with that. It isn't about number of push-ups you can do. Whether it is a Black Hat instructor in Airborne School at Fort Benning, a BUDS instructor in Coronado or a pipeline instructor for the Air Force Special Operations School at Eglin AFB (and right next door to where I'm typing this at Davis-Monthan AFB) the mandate is to build quality.

Most Special Operations units cannot be "joined" as a recruit. You have to enlist in the military, do your initial training and specialty schools, establish a proven performance record in the military community and then apply to the specialty schools. Once accepted, you have to somehow make it to graduation. Then the fun begins. Regardless of the unit the learning is constant. Languages, equipment, operations, more languages, organizational planning, and then some more languages. Learning new radios, new satcoms, new CEOI's, new radio procedures, new ways to work with other units, new equipment, more land navigation... the learning never ends.

The people in our Special Operations are there because they are exceptional individuals who truly want to be there, and their job has never been as easy as passing a PT test.

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