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2012-05-24 3:45 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life

I'm curious what they're counting in the "The Cost of a Long Life". I assume there are medical costs, but what else is included? 

For those of us in pretty good health to begin with, could I include the cost of my bike, race wheels, Quarq, Garmin, Zoot shoes, etc?

2012-05-24 3:51 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life

Japan also is much much smaller.  Imagine how many fewer fire stations there needs to be.  Imagine the amount of infrastructure upkeep must be spent to maintain highways.

 

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Oh yeah, come to Canada.  You'll live 2 years longer!



Edited by So Fresh So Clean 2012-05-24 3:52 PM
2012-05-24 4:19 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life
The chart was poorly labeled. It should have stated per capita spending for health care. You can see the write up here. http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php
2012-05-26 5:15 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life

The big question is:

Do we spend so much more because we're unhealthy and need to spend more, or just plain wasteful?

Brian



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2012-05-26 5:49 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life
famelec - 2012-05-26 5:15 PM

The big question is:

Do we spend so much more because we're unhealthy and need to spend more, or just plain wasteful?

Brian

All of the above.   We are unhealthy and most people don't take personal responsibility for their health.  They want a pill or a quick fix.  Also we spends millions of dolloars in teh last 1-2 yers of life.  Also no one wants to make tough decisions for fear of getting sued.  We over order tests for fear of missing something extremely rare for fear of getting sued and people just come in assuming they need 'X"  (In my case its usually an MRI someone is demanding)  The public is directly advetised to by pharmacuetical companies which I think is a travesty and come in demanding 'Y' Drug they saw on TV.  It adds up. 



2012-05-26 10:39 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life
Socks - 2012-05-26 3:49 PM
famelec - 2012-05-26 5:15 PM

The big question is:

Do we spend so much more because we're unhealthy and need to spend more, or just plain wasteful?

Brian

All of the above.   We are unhealthy and most people don't take personal responsibility for their health.  They want a pill or a quick fix.  Also we spends millions of dolloars in teh last 1-2 yers of life.  Also no one wants to make tough decisions for fear of getting sued.  We over order tests for fear of missing something extremely rare for fear of getting sued and people just come in assuming they need 'X"  (In my case its usually an MRI someone is demandingThe public is directly advetised to by pharmacuetical companies which I think is a travesty and come in demanding 'Y' Drug they saw on TV.  It adds up. 

I truly believe that advertising prescription medications to the public should be illegal.  Decisions on drugs to be prescribed should be made by doctors on a patient-by-patient basis, and to market to the lay public just seems wrong.  To expect a consumer to ask for a drug (i.e. Enbrel or Humira) based on an ad or a celebrity endorsement is just wrong.

2012-05-26 11:29 PM
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I don't see the "nagging mother in law effect" line
2012-05-27 6:09 AM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life
velcromom - 2012-05-26 11:39 PM

Socks - 2012-05-26 3:49 PM
famelec - 2012-05-26 5:15 PM

The big question is:

Do we spend so much more because we're unhealthy and need to spend more, or just plain wasteful?

Brian

All of the above.   We are unhealthy and most people don't take personal responsibility for their health.  They want a pill or a quick fix.  Also we spends millions of dolloars in teh last 1-2 yers of life.  Also no one wants to make tough decisions for fear of getting sued.  We over order tests for fear of missing something extremely rare for fear of getting sued and people just come in assuming they need 'X"  (In my case its usually an MRI someone is demandingThe public is directly advetised to by pharmacuetical companies which I think is a travesty and come in demanding 'Y' Drug they saw on TV.  It adds up. 

I truly believe that advertising prescription medications to the public should be illegal.  Decisions on drugs to be prescribed should be made by doctors on a patient-by-patient basis, and to market to the lay public just seems wrong.  To expect a consumer to ask for a drug (i.e. Enbrel or Humira) based on an ad or a celebrity endorsement is just wrong.



I'm in agreement. The United States is one of two (I think? Maybe more since I wrote about this a while ago...I believe the other was New Zealand. Kiwis, confirm?) that allows direct-to-consumer advertising of prescription medications. It just seems...wasteful to me. I am not a doctor, I don't know the pharmacological ins and outs of drugs, so why would I ever ask my doctor for something like that? If nothing else, they're annoying as all heck, and I feel like they give people unrealistic expectations of the drugs.
2012-05-28 2:15 PM
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Subject: RE: The cost of a long life

Doesn't surprise me one bit.  The cost of care for my grandmother in the last 20 months of her life was over $200K - and that is just people looking after her - no aggressive medical interventions, just meds and keeping her from wandering into the middle of the street or calling 911 to ask what day it was.

And no matter how much you spend, everyone dies eventually.

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