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 2013-01-02 10:50 PM in reply to: #4558413 |
 Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers)mr2tony - 2013-01-02 12:58 PM So we made it over the fiscal cliff, softly. I guess all is well in the world and everybody's happy now. It would appear Obama only has 10 minutes to sign it if he hasn't. If he doesn't the Bill it's dead. Edited by crusevegas 2013-01-02 10:51 PM |
| 2013-01-03 8:38 AM in reply to: #4559168 |
Champion  6999      Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) crusevegas - 2013-01-02 10:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-02 12:58 PM So we made it over the fiscal cliff, softly. I guess all is well in the world and everybody's happy now. It would appear Obama only has 10 minutes to sign it if he hasn't. If he doesn't the Bill it's dead. no. its not dead. Its a pocket veto. congress can still override it by 2/3 majority or is it 3/4 majority. something like that. Chances are it will not get the votes. |
| 2013-01-03 9:42 AM in reply to: #4559544 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) chirunner134 - 2013-01-03 9:38 AM crusevegas - 2013-01-02 10:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-02 12:58 PM So we made it over the fiscal cliff, softly. I guess all is well in the world and everybody's happy now. It would appear Obama only has 10 minutes to sign it if he hasn't. If he doesn't the Bill it's dead. no. its not dead. Its a pocket veto. congress can still override it by 2/3 majority or is it 3/4 majority. something like that. Chances are it will not get the votes. It was signed by autopen. It's law. A stupid, band-aid of a law, but a law. |
| 2013-01-03 9:47 AM in reply to: #4555138 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) My pension account gained $17,000 yesterday.......cliff on!! |
| 2013-01-03 9:49 AM in reply to: #4555138 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) Senate got the bill 3 mins before voting on it... http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senators-got-154-page-fiscal-cliff-bill-3-minutes-voting-it I just don't have words anymore to describe my contempt for the US government. |
| 2013-01-03 9:56 AM in reply to: #4559709 |
Regular 1023 Madrid | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) Left Brain - 2013-01-03 4:47 PM My pension account gained $17,000 yesterday.......cliff on!! Seriosuly there's a lot more happy people around today than pre yesterday. If the economic data starts to percolate a little watch and see how quickly people forget about cliffs and go around whistling crisis, what crisis ? |
| 2013-01-03 9:57 AM in reply to: #4559718 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) TriRSquared - 2013-01-03 9:49 AM Senate got the bill 3 mins before voting on it... http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senators-got-154-page-fiscal-cliff-bill-3-minutes-voting-it I just don't have words anymore to describe my contempt for the US government. people are upset when it takes forever to get anything done and people get upset when things are done too fast. its a no win situation. I agree with you there. I know time is not on there side (in theory) but I never like it when they never get a chance to get an intern to read it and give them a summary. |
| 2013-01-03 10:10 AM in reply to: #4558240 |
Expert 606 Lakeville, MN | Subject: RE: Fiscal Cliff Watching Thread (There may be spoilers) Aarondb4 - 2013-01-02 12:47 PM TriRSquared - 2013-01-02 12:28 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2013-01-02 11:28 AM The true problem is the American people. Yeah - I said it! Obviously the Congress is willing to try and give everything for nothing. Even a "fiscal cliff" isn't enough to scare them into action. So why is it the America peoples' fault? Because they keep re-electing the same people into office year after year after year. 90%+ reelection of incumbants! I understand the mentality behind the "Tea Party", but their approach IMHO is simply wrong. "Say no. Hold the one-sided line at all costs. Abandon pragmatism." Congress makes their own rules, so of course they're unwilling to change anything that would threaten their current power and jobs. But I guess the big question is how we seperate the political desire to appease (voters, lobbyists, financial backers) to continually get reelected from the willingness to do what is right for the country? Term limits. I have decided that I am basing my voting on 2 key factors. 1. If you are an incumbent I'm voting you out (until we get term limits) 2. If you do not support term limits I'm not voting you in That fact that someone like Charlie Rangel can win a 22nd term in Congress with 90% of the vote AFTER being essentially convicted of tax evasion and 13 counts of ethics violations is disgusting. And it shows that the American people, for the most part are indeed morons. How does term limits really help though? To me the problem is that idiots like Rangel can get voted in so it is not the votee but the voter that I have a problem with. I like the guys we send from Idaho and they have been in for a while. Crapo was in the gang of 8, not that it went anywhere but I was glad he was there. Term limits already exist; they're called "elections that happen every few years." Perhaps we should have voter limits instead. You vote for an incumbent, that incumbent continues to suck, you b*tch about it, you lose your ability to vote for a term. OK, I'm joking, but we, the voter, have the authority to dictate policy through our representative gov't. For reasons I can't understand, we continue down a path of status quo but then continue to exercise our freedom of speech to voice our displeasure. |
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