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2013-04-12 5:34 PM
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pitt83 - 2013-04-12 6:04 PM My father split wood to fire the stove for hot water. That was 1 generation ago. Aldus Huxley was right: Future Shock is real. We live in exponential growth times.

My dad lived in a really rural area. His family did not have electricity until he was 15. He had to write his senator to get it. He had to use a stamped envelope. 



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2013-04-12 5:42 PM
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KateTri1 - 2013-04-12 6:34 PM

pitt83 - 2013-04-12 6:04 PM My father split wood to fire the stove for hot water. That was 1 generation ago. Aldus Huxley was right: Future Shock is real. We live in exponential growth times.

My dad lived in a really rural area. His family did not have electricity until he was 15. He had to write his senator to get it. He had to use a stamped envelope. 



About the same. His farmhouse got electricity in 1957. I was born in 1961.
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Every time I read the thread title I want to ask if someone will take mine and feed him till he turns 18. I swear teenage boys are a bottomless pit!! Don't even get me started on how he goes through gallons of milk.

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trinnas - 2013-04-12 6:46 PM

Every time I read the thread title I want to ask if someone will take mine and feed him till he turns 18. I swear teenage boys are a bottomless pit!! Don't even get me started on how he goes through gallons of milk.



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2013-04-12 6:54 PM
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tuwood - 2013-04-12 5:10 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2013-04-12 3:05 PM

^Yes, and in many instances those cultural differences have been there for a long, long time.  I'd love to hear some unfiltered opinions from those lands about what they think of "this new generation."  I would betcha their opinions of the current generation would be a bit less flattering than that of the older generation.

Plus, as bad a rap as we give the younger generation here in the States, I'd rather be a girl here in the U.S. than anywhere outside of the western world.  Every area, every generation, has its plusses and minuses.  It's easy to fall into the trap of romanticizing the prior generation.   

I attended a lecture given by a history prof who looked a this very topic via writings and letters by more aged authors across many cultures through the last 2500 years or so and came to this very conclusion.  Every generation thinks the one following them is bereft of morals, has no work ethic, will generally ruin the community/country/culture/whatever, and they all yearn for "the good old days."

So get off my lawn and get to work, you young whipper-snappers!

The only thing I'd throw in for the current generation is their level of change (good or bad) is probably greater than in any other generational change in history.  From 1920 to 1940 there wasn't a lot of change in the world as far as kids growing up;  Dad played with a stick and hoop, kids played with a stick and hoop. However, from 1990 to 2010 we went from no internet, no cellphones, no social media, etc...  It is an interesting thing to think about though.

Personally, I fall into the camp that people in general are a lot more rude and selfish today.  I think both adults and children changed through the last twenty to thirty years due to the culture/technology shift that transpired.

 

Tony, sitting here in 2013 it's easy to see the massive changes that have occurred between 1990 and 2010.  That being said, if the year was 1943, we'd be VERY quick to point out the changes from 1920.  Can you imagine going from only radio...to tv's?  That's just one change, but many others occurred and countless teachers from that era (in that era) would have been talking about them in person and in letters, just as we are on an internet message board today.

One more point.  The big perception of the "black and white" era was that it was some kind of Leave it to Beaver/Andy Griffith Show type utopia.  It most certainly was not.  The unsettling events were not talked about.  Contrary to reports on tv, Eddie Haskell was not the worst of the worst in that era.  Far from it.  

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I loved the times I grew up in and wouldn't change anything about it......what great memories I have!

The best I canl tell my kids love the times they are growing up in.....and judging from the smiles and laughter I see in them and their friends, they are making some great memories as well.

Oh yeah, almost forgot......the music they like sucks!!  Laughing



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trinnas - 2013-04-11 6:46 PM

Every time I read the thread title I want to ask if someone will take mine and feed him till he turns 18. I swear teenage boys are a bottomless pit!! Don't even get me started on how he goes through gallons of milk.

I don't even want to know.  Before we left, the US, we were using 6 gallons a week... as a family of 5.  The 3yo was drinking 2 gallons of whole milk a week. That left one gallon of skim each for the rest of us.

At some point, I'm going to have 3 teenagers 18,16,14.  My wife is going to have to get a job at a dairy.

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trinnas - 2013-04-11 6:46 PM

Every time I read the thread title I want to ask if someone will take mine and feed him till he turns 18. I swear teenage boys are a bottomless pit!! Don't even get me started on how he goes through gallons of milk.

I don't even want to know.  Before we left, the US, we were using 6 gallons a week... as a family of 5.  The 3yo was drinking 2 gallons of whole milk a week. That left one gallon of skim each for the rest of us.

At some point, I'm going to have 3 teenagers 18,16,14.  My wife is going to have to get a job at a dairy.

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gearboy - 2013-04-10 8:07 AM

I think you can emphasize what you want and see the message that you want to see:

TriRSquared - 2013-04-09 3:58 PM ...

 

Sounds nice, but that's not what she's saying.  Here is the transcript:

We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children: Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments.

My kids ARE my responsibility.  Your kids ARE your responsibility.  I'm willing to help you out.  But I'm not willing (and the state has no business) taking OVER any part of your responsibility. Assistance to, not replacement of, the parental figure is the goal.

Kids do NOT belong to communities.  Communities can help children that are not your blood relatives.  But my children do not BELONG to the community.  She has the entire concept backwards.

You can make the "it takes a village" argument at a very high level.  But if you look at what she said, that's not her message.


If you believe that you are not just a member of your family but also a member of your community (defined as a group of people sharing not just some geography but also services such as schools, policing, fire control, etc), it is easier to see her statement as being that we all share the responsibilities for how the community turns out. Much like a condo board decides what work needs to be done on the building, but is itself made up of the individual owners of the units, who can decide what things to do inside their own units, which collectively make up the building. A community is a group of individuals and families who ultimately (unless they choose to remain in isolation) share the responsibility for turning out well educated, law abiding individuals who can contribute meaningfully in the future.

That is how I interpreted the message as well.  I vote YES on school levies because YOUR kids are a member our OUR society and hot dog, I want them as educated as possible.  I don't have any kids and never will but I feel it's my duty to make sure that we give them the foundation they need to be successful. 

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