Tell me about Obama (Page 2)

Based on the IRS, NSA, Benghazi etc.. scandals that have come to light as of late, I think that is all it will ever be.... a dream...(or maybe a memory) The US government has some serious fundamental issues that are going to cause massive problems in the future.  Our grandchildren will live in a MUCH different world that we are.

It's taken on a life of it's own... and the other problem with that is government workers. This whole thing with the IRS and they just keep saying... oh, well you can't actually fire a government worker. Like that takes a act of Congress to do. Anywhere I go, I can be fired for incompetence of falsifying/covering up work. And yes... in fact, I am a government worker, I'm just not in the Federal union. It is ridiculous.

I'll expand on it, but only with the qualifier that I feel like a total dumbazz.  The other qualifier being that I think all current politicians are effed up.  The entire Congress should be gutted.  They're despicable.  They no longer represent their constituents; they pander to lobbyists and PACS and need to be thrown out.

OK, that being said, I think Obama's been weak. I voted him for the second time because I thought, having secured a second term, he would be the president I hoped he would be in the first term.  And because Mittens?  Seriously?  No, helllllllz no.

The current partisan political climate is completely disgusting.  Our budget crisis, and continued outrageous levels of spending, are a sick joke that I don't know how we are going to recover from.

There really has not been a candidate that I have loved lately.  I am pro-choice. I think people should be able to marry whoever they want.  I think we should have real environmental controls and looking for REAL energy independence through "green" technology.  I think we should wean Big AG off of subsidies, just as I think we should put limits on welfare and unemployment. We need to overhaul SS.  And we need a freakin balanced budget. I don't mind paying my taxes, but not for the crap that we're currently doing.  That candidate doesn't exist, but I thought Obama would come closer than Mittens.

I'm no die-hard Dem.  I will vote for the right person, or, the least of the evils.  Hence, Obama x2.  If the Pubs could have come up with anyone halfway decent, I would have seriously considered them.  The litany of losers they put forth was just mind-blowing. 

Believe it or not, union members can be fired for that too... I've seen it happen. 

... If only Washington focused on what is good for the country instead of what is good for the careers.....

It isn't going to change, and we will never be without a two party system. Social animals just can't get over the us vs. them mentality.... and it is just so easy to stoke that fire.

Fundamentally, it is legit. From the days of our founding, there have been those that saw a bigger role for the Federal government, and those that saw a limited role with more weight on the states. Right now, the (R) are all for big government, and the (D) just want a bigger one.

But it isn't a big or small, (R) or (D) thing, it is a money thing. It has corrupted DC absolutely. The People can't compete with the size of government, and the money involved. Now I am not saying the government is "tyranical", but the American people have lost control of DC. And it isn't a conspiracy, and nobody stole anything... the American people freely gave it demanding more and more... and we are not getting it back barring a complete financial melt down, or some sort of natural reset.

... and all the while they just keep putting out more smoke and mirrors and stoke the Us vs. Them mentality.

OK, I may still have too much faith in the American populous, but I think people are getting sick of the whole lot in DC.  I know, I know, we have a nation of sheeple, but when things get bad, and by bad I mean a lot worse than they are now (not to minimize now), people are going to be very willing to throw everyone out, revolution style.  At least third party style.  Now, whether or not a third party could raise enough money to be a legit challenge, well, we'll have to wait and see.  I think we'll see it.

Well let's put this in context... We went to war "in" Iraq on trump up intel... without declaring war "on" Iraq... 100 of thousands of Iraqi citizens were killed, or displaced as a direct result.... It cost us nearly a trillion dollars....and we re-elected the guy that did it so he could finish.

The next guy denounced all that in the longest campaign in U.S. history.... said he was going to do it all different... promised a whole host of changes....actually did the opposite of mostly everything he said he was going to do... and the American people re-elected him so he could finish that job.

All the while, the U.S. entered into the worst financial crisis in American history... effected global economy... all entirely cause by policy from DC from (R)s and (D) raping the public blind... and not one person went to jail, and not one pitchfork made it to the WH lawn.

And you have faith in the American people?

We have had a third party for decades... the only legitimate one, the Libertarian Party.... it can't accomplish squat.... The most popular of all Libertarians, Ron Paul... switched parties because he would never get elected as a Libertarian... and not one single special interest group will give one single dollar to a party that will strip themselves of power and shrink the Federal government.

So we already know that is not enough to get any change from the American voters.... what do you think it will take?

I've heard people from both sides who have spent their LIVES in politics abandoning the system.  It's an interesting time.

Yet it is very rare.

Does the union potentially protect workers from being indiscriminately fired and put in terrible working conditions? yes.

Are there a few bad eggs that know the system and are able to protect themselves? yes

Are 98 percent of the union employees hard working and doing as good a job as anyone that could "replace" them?

In my personal experience, yes. 

Some excellent wisdom right there!

Some excellent wisdom right there!

More job loss, a stock market crash, food and prices that we've never seen (think 2-3x what they are now, and, oh yes, that oculd happen) and overwhelming infrastructure failure.  I think that'll do it.

I've heard people from both sides who have spent their LIVES in politics abandoning the system.  It's an interesting time.

This.

term limits.

Anyone who spends their "life" in office only has one goal. To stay there.