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2013-08-29 12:33 PM

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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps
I am curious as to what problem he's trying to fix.

I don't recall any rash of crimes being committed by felons registering firearms to a trust or corporation. I don't think the gang bangers in Chicago are legally purchasing imported guns either.

I'll be curious if there's a legal challenge.

 



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2013-08-29 1:12 PM
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"See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check"
It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something.

The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

2013-08-29 1:57 PM
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Is it possible to do anything any more useless???

FELONS CAN NOT LEGALLY POSSES GUNS.

It isn't a dodge. Registering does nothing... they can't actually posses them, hold them, transport them... nothing. So if you are a felon... and you actually WANT TO REGISTER them.... it get's you exactly SQUAT. You will be charged with "possesion of a firearm by prior convicted".

And importing surplus rifles back in.... when criminals can get all the brand new firepower they want off the street. Undecided

2013-08-29 2:43 PM
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Is it possible to do anything any more useless???

WTH! Useless????

At a MINIMUM it gets the "Gun Thread" crowd all worked up..AGAIN. 

THAT, alone, is worth the price of admission.  Innocent 

(no sarc font intended)

2013-08-29 4:11 PM
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Is it possible to do anything any more useless???

WTH! Useless????

At a MINIMUM it gets the "Gun Thread" crowd all worked up..AGAIN. 

THAT, alone, is worth the price of admission.  Innocent 

(no sarc font intended)

I'm not worked up. It means absolutely squat to me.

You are the one that should be worked up... that the Great One can't come up with anything more than a meaningless EO on the issue.

2013-08-29 4:20 PM
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The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering certain guns, like machine guns and short-barreled shotguns, to a corporation or trust.

This guy is an absolute moron.  There are never crimes with NFA items and the people who go through the process to obtain NFA items jump through major hoops to get them.  I have multiple firearms and suppressors registered to my Trust and there is no bypassing any sort of background check.  They still took MONTHS to get through, I have my Trust info, city and state engraved on the receiver.  On top of that, the BATFE has your information as the executor when you submit your Trust informaton.  Does anyone other than a total hoplophobe really think they do not check out the executor?

 



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Originally posted by powerman

Is it possible to do anything any more useless???

FELONS CAN NOT LEGALLY POSSES GUNS.

It isn't a dodge. Registering does nothing... they can't actually posses them, hold them, transport them... nothing. So if you are a felon... and you actually WANT TO REGISTER them.... it get's you exactly SQUAT. You will be charged with "possesion of a firearm by prior convicted".

And importing surplus rifles back in.... when criminals can get all the brand new firepower they want off the street. Undecided

 

He is protecting us from all those Korean made M1 Garands that you constantly read about.  hmm, if criminals did use the Garand, maybe the media could actually not sound mentally challenged every time they tossed around the word, "clip."

2013-08-29 4:29 PM
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The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register those types of guns.

"It's a very artful dodge to get around people who are not capable, constitutionally or legally, of owning a weapon," Biden said.

 

Had Biden ever gone through this process, he would understand that if I die, and my family may legally own an NFA item, the firearm can stay in my trust and legally stay on premise.  Also, trustees, such as my brother or son, would be allowed to possess the firearm at the range or in transport, legally.  Finally, there are some local sherriffs who simply will not provide the fingerprint services required, therefore people have used the "artful dodge to get around the constitutional VIOLATIONS of statists." 

Biden = dumb dick

What is really going on is that if there is an AWB as there is in CA, a resident must register the rifle and then they own it until they die.  When they die, it goes to the state where it's destroyed.  However, if it's registered to a Trust, it can stay in a family forever (as long as someone manages the trust and there are family members participating) without the state ever having a way to take it.  So if they can eliminate this, they can just progressively get more states to institute an AWB and continue to seize firearms from lawful gun owners.

2013-08-29 4:31 PM
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Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

2013-08-29 4:41 PM
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Great... now there will be a run on M1's at the gun shop.

2013-08-29 4:44 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

 

There is only so much misinformation you can read before you want to punch someone in the face.



2013-08-29 5:09 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

 

There is only so much misinformation you can read before you want to punch someone in the face.

Dude, tell me about it.  I have a heavy bag hanging in my kitchen.  I get it :)
2013-08-29 5:10 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

 

**EDIT**

Sorry, was getting worked up.  ;-)



Edited by tuwood 2013-08-29 5:23 PM
2013-08-29 5:16 PM
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nice shoes bro

EDIT* I was actually trying to find something in a different vein to respond to your "kitty," but I got distracted by this guy's mad skillz.  Seemed perfectly appropriate.  Is he one of yours? :)



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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

 

There is only so much misinformation you can read before you want to punch someone in the face.

I know! Right?

2013-08-29 5:43 PM
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Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.




I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.



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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE
2013-08-29 6:05 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE


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2013-08-29 6:14 PM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE
Your avatar is well I don't get it

 

OMG, I looked closer and realized that it's not Tony and Yanti as I originally thought.  My eyes!!!

2013-08-29 6:23 PM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE
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2013-08-29 6:35 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Puppetmaster
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE
Your avatar is well I don't get it
It's Yanti. A number of BT folk have changed their Avis to pics from her albums in honor of her IM this weekend. I picked the one I liked the best


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2013-08-29 6:54 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by DanielG "See? I closed a loophole that allowed people to legally get firearms without a background check" It's a useless gesture that people who don't look too closely will believe actually does something. The biggie is he's not going to allow a few hundred thousand M1 Garands back into the US. 10 pound, 36" long semi-auto rifles that don't have a detachable magazine that quite a few people would like as a 30-06 rifle with a lot of US history attached to it.

I've got nothing useful to add here except that I was just wondering where you were, and here you are!

As for the rest of this thread, always fun to see the "worked up" gun crowd, regardless of whether or not you are, in fact,  "worked up". 

Carry on.

I'm slumming in Orlando waiting for Saturday to be in ATL to watch Alabama Vs VA Tech.
Well, I can't say that travel pattern makes sense, but what do I know...ROLL TIDE


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So I'm toughing it out until Friday afternoon.

2013-08-29 7:15 PM
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Gotcha. Some places in Orlando are pretty sketchy; you're obviously not in one of them. I used to go to Winter Park for spring training. Good times. Have fun!
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CO voters recall 2 State Senators (both "D") who supported statewide universal background checks.  I'm too lazy and not savy enough to post a link; but it appears that the ousted Senators raised MORE money than their opposition and the the NRA donated a 'mere' $500,000 (which is frankly, small change, in todays political landscape IMO).

The Democratic process worked as designed and the voting public's voices were heard.   Interesting......

2013-09-11 12:28 PM
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CO voters recall 2 State Senators (both "D") who supported statewide universal background checks.  I'm too lazy and not savy enough to post a link; but it appears that the ousted Senators raised MORE money than their opposition and the the NRA donated a 'mere' $500,000 (which is frankly, small change, in todays political landscape IMO).

The Democratic process worked as designed and the voting public's voices were heard.   Interesting......

I saw that this morning as well.  Purely from a political standpoint, it's one of those issues that crosses political boundaries for support.  There are a lot of pro gun Democrats as well as Republicans.

I suspect we won't see too many big pushes for additional gun control in the foreseeable future.

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