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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/18/us/weeklong-u-s-gun-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



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2014-01-19 3:39 PM
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2014-01-19 3:50 PM
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Originally posted by powerman DARE

Was a largely failed drug education program.......much the same as all drug education programs.......

2014-01-19 5:27 PM
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2014-01-20 8:24 AM
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Obviously depends on how this is looked at ie the country as a whole or on a city by city basis. Baltimore for example had 16 muders in the first 12 days of the 2014. Tallahasee 0. Location is everything. I wonder if there's a study that would show urban vs non urban crime rates and trends ?
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Originally posted by gr33n Obviously depends on how this is looked at ie the country as a whole or on a city by city basis. Baltimore for example had 16 muders in the first 12 days of the 2014. Tallahasee 0. Location is everything. I wonder if there's a study that would show urban vs non urban crime rates and trends ?

Overwhelmingly, crime is down in every venue.   Yeah, there are problem areas, but even in most of those violent crime is much lower than it was in the 70's, for instance. The Uniform Crime Report is pretty extensive, and collects data from EVERY jurisdiction in the country.  If you don't participate the fines/sanctions are big.......the data is  absolutely as good as it can be.



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2014-01-20 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by gr33n

Obviously depends on how this is looked at ie the country as a whole or on a city by city basis. Baltimore for example had 16 muders in the first 12 days of the 2014. Tallahasee 0. Location is everything. I wonder if there's a study that would show urban vs non urban crime rates and trends ?


It all depends on how interested you really are. Have at it:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/index.html

They take the UCR and break it down enough you should be able to be tired of numbers no matter how long that takes.

Some go to 2012, some to 2005, some to other years but a pretty good breakdown for perusing.

2014-01-20 1:18 PM
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Originally posted by gr33n Obviously depends on how this is looked at ie the country as a whole or on a city by city basis. Baltimore for example had 16 muders in the first 12 days of the 2014. Tallahasee 0. Location is everything. I wonder if there's a study that would show urban vs non urban crime rates and trends ?

Agree that location is everything, but here in Colorado for instance, there has been so much development over the past few decades (and I've been here through it all), that there wouldn't even be good juristictional data for many areas around the metro Denver Area.  For instance, Douglas County 15 years ago was barely even a blip on the population screen, while now it is huge.  

I still would stand by overall crime trends.  In places even like NYC, the redistribution of populations thorughout the boroughs has changed significantly over time.  What is the "hip" place to live vs redeveloped hot spots change all the time.

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It is interesting that violent crime has decreased over the past couple decades.  My thought after reading this article (and other articles and studies) is that violent crime is less about the manner and more about the circumstances.  Developing effective ways to deal with mental illness and drug related crime is much more important than trying to restrict firearms, IMHO.  

2014-01-20 8:47 PM
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maybe we have less violet crime because the number of people in prison is going up, up, up. So not enough people to commit the crimes.
2014-01-21 1:39 AM
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All pretty interesting. Thanks for all the referrals. Jokingly the line 'theres lies, dam lies, and statistics' comes to mind.

On another note I was wondering the other day following the texter shooting- with an aging population there's obviously more aging gun owners. I generalize here but I don't think its far out of line to say that seniors are more prone to indignant responses to what originate as non violant social confrontations. Anyhow, with more aging gun owners I would not be surprised to hear of more and more of these senior violent responses to similar incidences of road rage, your music is too loud, get off my lawn situations. Question being- are all those guns that are currently in safe hands the same safe hands of a person as they age into a different mental state ? If not then what ?


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Point I got from the story....

Our society has been irresponsible in addressing mental illness......so we need to take everyone's gun away.



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Originally posted by gr33n All pretty interesting. Thanks for all the referrals. Jokingly the line 'theres lies, dam lies, and statistics' comes to mind. On another note I was wondering the other day following the texter shooting- with an aging population there's obviously more aging gun owners. I generalize here but I don't think its far out of line to say that seniors are more prone to indignant responses to what originate as non violant social confrontations. Anyhow, with more aging gun owners I would not be surprised to hear of more and more of these senior violent responses to similar incidences of road rage, your music is too loud, get off my lawn situations. Question being- are all those guns that are currently in safe hands the same safe hands of a person as they age into a different mental state ? If not then what ?

I think it's interesting too.....and it'll be even more interesting to see how it plays out.  It's one thing to get beat up when you're 40 or 50 if an argument gets physical, but I'm not so sure I'd be willing take a beating at 70 if I had a way to defend myself.  That being said, I still think it's stupid/immature/ridiculous to let an argument get to the physical point, but I see it happen all the time.

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