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2020-09-25 7:00 AM

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Subject: Covid numbers
I had a former boss who insisted I only bring him “facts and data”. So let’s look at the numbers again.

United States

Coronavirus Cases: 7,185,915
Deaths: 207,540
Recovered: 4,438,628

US Population: 328,000,000

Percentage of Americans:
Who got covid: 2.1%
Who died from covid: 0.06%

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.

If you know 100 people, based on these numbers, 0.06 of them died. If you know 1,000 then 0.6 of them died. If you know 1,700 people the chances are 1 (one) of them died.

So your chances of dying from covid is 1 in 1,700. But it’s actually far less than that.

CDC reports “deaths 12 times higher among those with reported underlying conditions compared with those with none”

So if you are healthy your odds are 1/12th of that....or one in 20,000. But wait, there’s more! Because this is not random! You can actually influence the odds by wearing a mask, washing your hands, isolation or avoiding close contact with people.

The question is, how much of your liberty are you willing to sacrifice to avoid a 1 in 20,000 chance of dying from covid?

Give me these odds in Vegas casino and I’d own the place in less than an hour!


2020-09-25 8:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers

Let's also factor in the average age of death due to C-19, and compare that to the average age of death from ALL causes. Last time I saw that statistic, the average age of C-19 death was actually higher than the average age of death from all causes.

And also factor in the number of cases of those who died "with" C-19 and compare it to the number of cases who died "from" C-19. Many states don't make the distinction, and even if you died from a gun shot wound, but tested positive, you're counted as a C-19 death.

Oh, and wait, there's one more to throw in: How many of those that are counted as C-19 deaths are merely "suspected" or "probable"? Those are being thrown into the same bucket as well. You don't even need to have a positive test result any more!

Gotta keep those numbers up, to fuel the fear.

2020-09-25 10:11 AM
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Wasn't scared in March, moved to "don't care at all" status after my daughter got it and nobody else in the house got sick.  I guess I now know hundreds who have contracted it.....a giant Meh from me. 

I'll say the same as I said in March....quarantining healthy people was the dumbest chit in the history of dumb chit.  Take care of the aged and infirm in your family.....it's YOUR responsibility.

2020-09-25 2:09 PM
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From the UK:

2020-09-25 2:25 PM
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Originally posted by briderdt

From the UK:

 

  So ridiculously stupid.

2020-09-25 4:14 PM
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Originally posted by briderdt

Let's also factor in the average age of death due to C-19, and compare that to the average age of death from ALL causes. Last time I saw that statistic, the average age of C-19 death was actually higher than the average age of death from all causes.

And also factor in the number of cases of those who died "with" C-19 and compare it to the number of cases who died "from" C-19. Many states don't make the distinction, and even if you died from a gun shot wound, but tested positive, you're counted as a C-19 death.

Oh, and wait, there's one more to throw in: How many of those that are counted as C-19 deaths are merely "suspected" or "probable"? Those are being thrown into the same bucket as well. You don't even need to have a positive test result any more!

Gotta keep those numbers up, to fuel the fear.

A "slogan" from 6-Sigma training:  "Fact-based decision making"
As implemented in many 6-Sigma projects:  "Decision-based fact making..."

 



2020-09-26 6:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Originally posted by Rogillio

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.



Question, of those 200,000 that died, how many do you believe would not have died had it not been for all the BS: political, media.......Forget who caused the BS.

Yes, more die of cancer and heart disease, but those are mostly "unavoidable".




2020-09-26 6:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.



Question, of those 200,000 that died, how many do you believe would not have died had it not been for all the BS: political, media.......Forget who caused the BS.

Yes, more die of cancer and heart disease, but those are mostly "unavoidable".








The notion that Trump or anyone else could have stopped covid is absurd and naive. Kinda like Biden claiming is he is elected he will cure cancer. I am convinced there was and is nothing that would have stoped the spread. The best we could do is slow it down a little.

I counter your question with a question. How many of those people that died would have died anyway even without the covid?

Chit happens in life and I feel sorry for people who look to the gubment to save them. Protect yourself and your family and don’t rely on the government to keep you safe from all evil.
2020-09-26 6:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Covid deaths by age:

0 - 17 years old 0.06%
18 - 44 years old 3.9%
45 - 64 years old 22.4%
65 - 74 years old 24.9%
2020-09-26 8:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.



Question, of those 200,000 that died, how many do you believe would not have died had it not been for all the BS: political, media.......Forget who caused the BS.

Yes, more die of cancer and heart disease, but those are mostly "unavoidable".








The notion that Trump or anyone else could have stopped covid is absurd and naive. Kinda like Biden claiming is he is elected he will cure cancer. I am convinced there was and is nothing that would have stoped the spread. The best we could do is slow it down a little.

I counter your question with a question. How many of those people that died would have died anyway even without the covid?

Chit happens in life and I feel sorry for people who look to the gubment to save them. Protect yourself and your family and don’t rely on the government to keep you safe from all evil.


First of all I'm not saying it's Trump

Second, nobody could have stopped deaths from Covid. Not a single country managed to do that and there were plenty of different ways of handling it.

But when one country has 2 or 3x the deaths, per population, it's only normal to question if something else could have been done.

You can say "I am willing to accept 2 to 3x death rate to preserve my economy, or fundamental rights or...."

You started this thread with "let's look at the numbers", so look at the numbers.

2020-09-27 2:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.



Question, of those 200,000 that died, how many do you believe would not have died had it not been for all the BS: political, media.......Forget who caused the BS.

Yes, more die of cancer and heart disease, but those are mostly "unavoidable".








The notion that Trump or anyone else could have stopped covid is absurd and naive. Kinda like Biden claiming is he is elected he will cure cancer. I am convinced there was and is nothing that would have stoped the spread. The best we could do is slow it down a little.

I counter your question with a question. How many of those people that died would have died anyway even without the covid?

Chit happens in life and I feel sorry for people who look to the gubment to save them. Protect yourself and your family and don’t rely on the government to keep you safe from all evil.


First of all I'm not saying it's Trump

Second, nobody could have stopped deaths from Covid. Not a single country managed to do that and there were plenty of different ways of handling it.

But when one country has 2 or 3x the deaths, per population, it's only normal to question if something else could have been done.

You can say "I am willing to accept 2 to 3x death rate to preserve my economy, or fundamental rights or...."

You started this thread with "let's look at the numbers", so look at the numbers.



In deaths/million people, the US is currently 11th (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). I find it interesting that 49.8% of US deaths have been in 6 total states. I suspect if we had isolated seniors and other at risk people earlier on, we would have done much better. I think this is the approach that still makes sense now. I know of only one person, a friend from work, whose teenage daughter caught the virus, but my friend and nobody else in his family did. his daughter had a sore throat and that was it.


2020-09-27 4:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Covid numbers
Originally posted by nickster

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio

Leading Causes of Death in US
Heart disease: 647,457 (0.2%)
Cancer: 599,108 (0.18%)

The media recently celebrated the US hitting the “milestone” of “200,000 covid deaths” and, while tragic, one needs to keep things in perspective.



Question, of those 200,000 that died, how many do you believe would not have died had it not been for all the BS: political, media.......Forget who caused the BS.

Yes, more die of cancer and heart disease, but those are mostly "unavoidable".








The notion that Trump or anyone else could have stopped covid is absurd and naive. Kinda like Biden claiming is he is elected he will cure cancer. I am convinced there was and is nothing that would have stoped the spread. The best we could do is slow it down a little.

I counter your question with a question. How many of those people that died would have died anyway even without the covid?

Chit happens in life and I feel sorry for people who look to the gubment to save them. Protect yourself and your family and don’t rely on the government to keep you safe from all evil.


First of all I'm not saying it's Trump

Second, nobody could have stopped deaths from Covid. Not a single country managed to do that and there were plenty of different ways of handling it.

But when one country has 2 or 3x the deaths, per population, it's only normal to question if something else could have been done.

You can say "I am willing to accept 2 to 3x death rate to preserve my economy, or fundamental rights or...."

You started this thread with "let's look at the numbers", so look at the numbers.



In deaths/million people, the US is currently 11th (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). I find it interesting that 49.8% of US deaths have been in 6 total states. I suspect if we had isolated seniors and other at risk people earlier on, we would have done much better. I think this is the approach that still makes sense now. I know of only one person, a friend from work, whose teenage daughter caught the virus, but my friend and nobody else in his family did. his daughter had a sore throat and that was it.


Actually 10th but it's dynamic. If you consider Andorra and San Marino countries :-) Ever been to Andorra ? I bet your city is bigger.

8th otherwise

5 of the top 8 are in South America. Interesting how that is. Shows what happens when someone doesn't contain it and you have a moron like Brazil's president in charge.

And if you want to see really interesting numbers, look at the death rate after that first big hump. Look at say from May 1st on.



Edited by marcag 2020-09-27 4:08 PM
2020-09-29 2:42 PM
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Does anyone not think the "numbers" would be higher but for the forced quarantine? I just wonder.
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