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2020-12-11 7:54 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain Liberals will do anything to get what they want....
So the supreme court, stacked with Republicans, tells Trump "sorry, you lost" So the Chairman of the GOP of Texas sends out : "Perhaps law abiding states should bond together and form a union of states that will abide by the constitution"

Is that statement sedition, or treason?  I'm getting confused by the minute as to how bad these arseholes are.

All the whining of the Reps is right now is magnitudes of order higher than the wacko left in 2016.  Please just stop.  I have five questions for Republicans (I've been registered Rep since 1988):

1)  Do you think Joe biden duly won this election?  If NO, go to #2  (I stop here, but I'm apparently a RINO, so there's that)

2)  Do you think the level of fraud that was suggested swung the election to Biden from Trump?  If YES, go to #3 

3)  Would you have signed your name on that amicus brief supporting Texas' bid to overturn the election results and disenfranchise my fellow Republican cousin's Biden vote in PA?  If YES, continued to #4  (most people stop here)

4)  Do you support armed protestors peacefully protesting outside an election official's home, be they Dem/Rep/Other?  If YES, continue to #5

5)  Do you support armed militia or otherwise attempting to subvert the peaceful transfer of presidential power to Joe Biden?

Cards down.  No whattaboutism, please.

 



2020-12-11 8:23 PM
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2020-12-12 5:31 AM
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I support 1-3 above the rest is ridiculous. I’ve said over and over here that protests accomplish nothing. The only way change is accomplished is thru elections and they the courts. You characterization of the legal challenges as ‘whining’ show a lack of understanding of the rule of law. Putting on puzsy hats and screaming in the streets is whining. Filing a lawsuit to challenge the vote is pure American. The only whining is coming from the left with their “oh please just stop it. Accept that the election was fair and there was no fraud”.

From what I can tell the SC decision was about standing. Note that it was a 7-2 decision not a unanimous decision. The cases will be file in several circuit courts with Trump as the plaintiff and he does have standing. Then maybe the cases can be heard on the merits not thrown out for procedural issues.

My hope is the investigations will continue and all allegations of fraud and ‘irregularities’ are addressed and fixed before the next election.

In other news...Biden’s time on the thrown will be short lived. His mental decline will continue - it’s a medical certainty and cannot be stopped. Watching his latest speeches is painful. He seems dazed and confused and struggles to read the prompter. Soon Harris will be running things as either the de facto president or as actual president. And then there are the 2 FBI investigations of Hunter Biden - one for China and one for Ukraine (which I find ironic). And then there’s Biden’s bother being investigated. Hard to imagine that they won’t find any links to Joe when they start digging. Can’t indict a sitting president for something he did before taking office but he could be forced to resign by the socialist left who would much rather socialist Harris be president.

I’ll venture 50% chance he doesn’t finish 1 year. 75% change he doesn’t finish 2nd year and 99% change he doesn’t finish 3 years.
2020-12-12 7:04 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio I support 1-3 above the rest is ridiculous. 

I'm glad you think so.  Well #4 has already happened and #5 is being proposed, or at least alluded to, by those in authority in the Republican party.  Arizona in particular ("are you willing to die for this?").  Now maybe it's all bluster to you, but there is a significant fringe on the right that really believes they should violently overthrow the government.  As opposed to the fringe on the left that just wants to break stuff (and I think those are more opportunist criminals).

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the ruling (or lack thereof).  The vote wasn't 7-2 by any means (there were no dissenting arguments).  Alito and Thomas said they would have heard it, and THEN thrown in out.  Just because they stopped at "you have no standing" which is step one, doesn't mean that it would pass the next twenty steps.  Trump can continue to sue and have his supporters continue to bankroll him and his family until the end of time - it's not going to change the election.

As for Hunter Biden, if he committed crimes I hope he is convicted.  That guy is a d-bag anyway.  I think Biden makes it through one term and then leaves.  Then we'll see where the Rep party stands...do they go with a moderate like Larry Hogan (MD governor) or roll out Trump again (who will be older than Biden is right now).  I don't think Harris is shoe-in for 2024 nomination either.

As for your point about making sure fraud doesn't happen in the future,  I 100% agree.  I also think we should make it as easy as possible to vote, including secure online voting.  Independent redistricting to reduce gerrymandering.  Term limits.  Sequenced SC appointments that aren't lifetime (one per term unless someone dies) or an expansion that includes a random selection from a pool.  We need to reverse the trend of tribalism that started with the Clinton impeachment and has been growing ever since.

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We are irrevocably split. I have no idea how it will be resolved, but let's get on with it. I have no desire to leave it for my kids. There will be NO capitulation at this point, from either side...believe it.

Edited by Left Brain 2020-12-12 8:02 PM
2020-12-31 5:37 AM
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Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


2021-01-01 6:06 AM
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Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.
2021-01-01 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by feh

Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.


There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.
2021-01-01 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by feh

Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.



There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


So if the republicans owned the senate and the congress they can theoretically overturn the election ?




2021-01-01 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by feh

Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.



There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


So if the republicans owned the senate and the congress they can theoretically overturn the election ?




That's right. It's possible for them to reject the electoral results of the states in question. If they managed to do this in enough states to put Biden below the 270 mark the House of Representatives chooses.
2021-01-01 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by feh

Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.



There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


So if the republicans owned the senate and the congress they can theoretically overturn the election ?




That's right. It's possible for them to reject the electoral results of the states in question. If they managed to do this in enough states to put Biden below the 270 mark the House of Representatives chooses.


So the people in power decide the people in power. Nice.



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Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Synon

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by feh

Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

Could be another wild year in politics.



There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


So if the republicans owned the senate and the congress they can theoretically overturn the election ?




That's right. It's possible for them to reject the electoral results of the states in question. If they managed to do this in enough states to put Biden below the 270 mark the House of Representatives chooses.


So the people in power decide the people in power. Nice.





It’s in the Constitution. There is plenty of evidence of widespread fraud. To deny this one has to be willfully ignorant or have their head in a dark, smelly place. If enough congressmen see enough evidence to convince them there was enough fraud to swing the election it is their constitutional duty to challenge the electors and uphold the democratic process.

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BTW, democrats tried EXACTLY the same thing in 2017! And the effort was led by none other than Biden. Go figure. How’s that for karma?
2021-01-01 1:22 PM
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  • .There is plenty of evidence of widespread fraud. To deny this one has to be willfully ignorant or have their head in a dark, smelly place


  • Ay yes, the evidence the justice dept (under a Republican, Trump kiss a$$ AG) and all level of courts (many Trump appointees) could not find.

    But Sydney and Rudy are there to save the day

    2021-01-01 1:27 PM
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    Need to look no further than this thread for examples:

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Right-Lost-Its-Mind/dp/1250147174

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  • .There is plenty of evidence of widespread fraud. To deny this one has to be willfully ignorant or have their head in a dark, smelly place


  • Ay yes, the evidence the justice dept (under a Republican, Trump kiss a$$ AG) and all level of courts (many Trump appointees) could not find.

    But Sydney and Rudy are there to save the day




    Glad you have blind faith in the judiciary. Just because a court refuses to hear a case does not mean they case has no merit. It’s just been shown more than 200,000 mail in ballots were received than sent out.

    I’ve said for some time the election will not likely flip but there are literally hundreds of cases pending in at least 9 states....including one before the Supreme Court that will be heard after inauguration. Eventually the truth will come our...just like on the bogus Russian hoax.

    It’s not just Rudy and Sydney. If you think that, you drank the media kool-ade.

    In other news...Bama set to face ND in about an hour. Should be good game. Roll Tide!


    2021-01-02 7:09 AM
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    Originally posted by Synon

    Originally posted by Rogillio

    Originally posted by feh

    Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


    So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

    So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

    Could be another wild year in politics.


    There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

    I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


    “ The last three times a Republican has been elected president — Trump in 2016 and George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 — Democrats in the House have brought objections to the electoral votes in states the GOP nominee won.”

    Guess Dems don’t support the “democratic process”. LOL.
    2021-01-02 7:13 AM
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    Originally posted by Rogillio

    Originally posted by Synon

    Originally posted by Rogillio

    Originally posted by feh

    Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


    So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

    So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

    Could be another wild year in politics.


    There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

    I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


    “ The last three times a Republican has been elected president — Trump in 2016 and George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 — Democrats in the House have brought objections to the electoral votes in states the GOP nominee won.”

    Guess Dems don’t support the “democratic process”. LOL.



    Raising an objection is one thing. Attempting to overthrow results is another. Now some lawmakers are doing the former. Trump is definitely trying to overthrow this.
    2021-01-02 9:21 AM
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    Originally posted by marcag

    Originally posted by Rogillio

    Originally posted by Synon

    Originally posted by Rogillio

    Originally posted by feh

    Two-thirds of Republicans surveyed said they believe that voter fraud helped Biden win the election, and fewer than half of Republicans said they accept the outcome of the election.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-fi...


    So from what I can tell, if Congress rejects the electoral vote, which they intend to do,!then the House elects president. So Biden wins. But then the Senate elects the VP which, of GA goes rep then presumably Pence becomes VP.

    So then, if Biden reigns before the end of his term, Pence becomes President. He names Trump as VP then resigns making Trump president who names Pence as VP. :-)

    Could be another wild year in politics.


    There would need to be a simple majority from both chambers for that to happen. Obviously it won't.

    I say go for it! Put them on record as to whether they support the democratic process, or a coup.


    “ The last three times a Republican has been elected president — Trump in 2016 and George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 — Democrats in the House have brought objections to the electoral votes in states the GOP nominee won.”

    Guess Dems don’t support the “democratic process”. LOL.



    Raising an objection is one thing. Attempting to overthrow results is another. Now some lawmakers are doing the former. Trump is definitely trying to overthrow this.


    What you call “0verthough” tens of millions call righting a wrong. Making sure the election was fair is 100% American. The election will not flip unless there is incontrovertible proof. Which makes one wonder why there is so muck pushback. If everything is on the up and up seems like Dems would welcome all investigations to remove the cloud of doubt.
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    What you call “0verthough” tens of millions call righting a wrong. Making sure the election was fair is 100% American. The election will not flip unless there is incontrovertible proof. Which makes one wonder why there is so muck pushback. If everything is on the up and up seems like Dems would welcome all investigations to remove the cloud of doubt.



    For almost 2 months now Trump has been unable to show a shred of real evidence. How long do you continue, a year, two years ?

    Every claim has been shown to be false BY REPUBLICANS. Every recount, the signature verifications, every court case. ALL OF THEM.

    The FBI, under a Republican AG found nothing. Republican Secretaries of states found nothin. Republican judges (Trump appointees) all found nothing.

    I am not counting those that threw case out for procedural reasons etc. I am talking about those that looked at the evidence.

    You really believe if there was a credible bit of evidence it would be exposed at the highest levels rather than on fringe right wing news sources ?



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    You really believe if there was a credible bit of evidence it would be exposed at the highest levels rather than on fringe right wing news sources ?






    You're wasting your time. The cult members are irrational.


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    You really believe if there was a credible bit of evidence it would be exposed at the highest levels rather than on fringe right wing news sources ?






    You're wasting your time. The cult members are irrational.


    And you fail to see the irony of you continuing to waste your time by posting the same exact post over and over. Quit being a troll and try to come up with something original.
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    What you call “0verthough” tens of millions call righting a wrong. Making sure the election was fair is 100% American. The election will not flip unless there is incontrovertible proof. Which makes one wonder why there is so muck pushback. If everything is on the up and up seems like Dems would welcome all investigations to remove the cloud of doubt.



    For almost 2 months now Trump has been unable to show a shred of real evidence. How long do you continue, a year, two years ?

    Every claim has been shown to be false BY REPUBLICANS. Every recount, the signature verifications, every court case. ALL OF THEM.

    The FBI, under a Republican AG found nothing. Republican Secretaries of states found nothin. Republican judges (Trump appointees) all found nothing.

    I am not counting those that threw case out for procedural reasons etc. I am talking about those that looked at the evidence.

    You really believe if there was a credible bit of evidence it would be exposed at the highest levels rather than on fringe right wing news sources ?







    You haven’t see evidence because you refuse to look. Are you saying the 150 US Congressmen who are contesting the vote are all right wing nutjobs? You have no idea what the FBI has and has not found or what investigations are ongoing. Every claim has NOT been proven false. Claims have been denied but there are numerous claims still pending that have yet to be addressed.

    There is also hundreds of sworn affidavits from people, under penalty of perjury, who witnessed fraud. Maybe they are all crazy too. At least 3 legislatures have on going investigations. Just more nuts I suppose.

    Biden will be sworn in but he will never be viewed as a legitimate president. As time goes by the fraud will be exposed and it will likely be the end of the Democrat party. Or maybe not. I always leave open the possibility I may be wrong. That is how we differ I suppose.

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    Biden will be sworn in but he will never be viewed as a legitimate president.


    He'll be legitimate to everybody except the mentally deranged cult members.
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    Biden will be sworn in but he will never be viewed as a legitimate president.


    He'll be legitimate to everybody except the mentally deranged cult members.


    Ouch that hurts so bad. Us mentally deranged are going to clean house and rid the country of you socialists in 2 years. Mark my word. If you thought the right was energized in 2020 wait till you get a load of 2022. Prolly should start knitting your pszy hat now....
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