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 2008-09-01 2:12 PM |
 Subject: Running Gait twoAfternoon all I read the post below and not to hi-jack that thread I started this one. I am open for all comments. I seem to get sore on my left knee, but it's getting better. So here I am on a treadmill. I start with a walk, then 10min, 9min and 8:32 pace. Any insights?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20V143a_0Ys Joe |
| 2008-09-01 5:17 PM in reply to: #1641764 |
Expert 810   Southeast | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Very hard to see much from this. If somebody put a knife to my throat and said 'make a comment', I'd say that at 8:30/mile you might want to have a slightly higher kick, to reduce the lever arm as you pull your leg back through. But nobody's holding a knife to my throat, so I'm not saying that... I think that, honestly, about all one can say here is that nothing awful is obvious. Keep on running... |
| 2008-09-02 6:39 AM in reply to: #1641764 |
Master 1741  Chapel Hill, NC | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Well, I'm not a great runner (trying to get there), but I'll tell you my thoughts. Your stride rate looks good (30 footstrikes per 10 seconds = 180/min). Hard to tell anything about your posture from that angle, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Here are a couple things I like to do on the treadmill: 1) I put a mirror in front of the treadmill so you can watch yourself. Then draw a line across the mirror (or use tape) approximately where you see your shoulders. When running, try to minimize vertical movement of your body by watching that line. Too much vertical movement is wasted energy. Also, look for things like shoulders rocking to much. At least, those are two problems I have seen in my own running! 2) One of my problems is my feet spend too much time on the ground. So, when doing fast intervals, I try to focus on my feet coming up very fast, so they spend minimal time on the ground (belt). I try to be aware of my feet, and not allow them to move back with the belt at all. I don't look at them (that woudl probably make me fall over). Just a mental awareness of not allowing them to go backwards at all. Also read about the grey zone here. Hope this helps a little! |
| 2008-09-02 7:34 AM in reply to: #1641764 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Here's my insight: Stop worrying about it. Do some running drills. Work on increasing your volume and consistency. If the knee pain is constant, get it looked at by a medical professional. |
| 2008-09-02 8:04 AM in reply to: #1642670 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Running Gait two keyone - 2008-09-02 6:39 AM Just a mental awareness of not allowing them to go backwards at all. Also read about the grey zone here. As a FYI - the so called "gray zone" is nothing but a mere opinion made famous IIRC by Friel on the TTB of what he thought was not a proper intensity to train at due to the training adaptations vs the cost (recovery). Some coaches/athletes still believe in this but it is inaccurate. There is plenty of evidence (studies) in which it is been proved how training at this intensity refer to some as Z3/tempo or more precisely 80-90% of VO2max or 75-90% of Threshold can produce great training adaptations such as increase in mitochondrial enzymes, increase lactate threshold and increase muscle glycogen storage. If you go to Friel’s blog you can find an article in which he addressed this issue and he even change his view in terms of this ‘grey’ zone after he realized it wasn’t accurate. The reality is that training has to be set based on the athlete’s specific training goals, needs and planned in terms of training load. A mix of volume and intensity will benefit the most athletes and in terms of goals and the load will then move from general to specific to address the athlete’s specific race distance. An athlete training for a marathon, Half Ironman (and even an IM) should and would spend plenty of time training at this ‘gray’ intensity to maximize gains during the specific phase to produce the necessary training adaptations such as marathon pace or HIM race pace leading to the main event. |
| 2008-09-02 8:29 AM in reply to: #1641764 |
Expert 986 Michiana | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Agree with Jorge. As I get close to my HIM and marathon, lots of my running miles, specifically the second half of my long runs are at marathon pace (7:40-8:00) or zone 3 training intensity to prepare for my race. However, during the base and majority of my build phases, my runs are predominantly at the Z1/Z2 intensity(80-90% of run volume) with 1X/week Z4 tempo runs or Z5 track work (10-20%). Edited by mbmoran2 2008-09-02 8:30 AM |
| 2008-09-02 9:07 AM in reply to: #1641764 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: Running Gait two I used to get sore knees - overuse injuries. Then I started cycling more (which is why I ended up doing tri's), and that built up the supporting muscles, which then helped the kneecap track properly, and enabled me to run more without the pains. just a thought... Also, your running gait seems to be a "jogging" gait. maybe check out chi-running. You are striking the ground a bit in front of your body, and with a heel-strike. You do have to do what's right for you, but I changed up a bit so that my footstrike was more underneath my body and that seemed to help me.
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| 2008-09-02 9:13 AM in reply to: #1642734 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Scout7 - 2008-09-02 8:34 AM Here's my insight: Stop worrying about it. Do some running drills. Work on increasing your volume and consistency. If the knee pain is constant, get it looked at by a medical professional. What he said ^^ Proper running form comes with time and mileage. There are "drills" to help with various stride mechanics, but the main thing about form is to not "force" it and allow your body to come up with it's most efficient technique. If you are having pains, then I would have your shoes evaluated and speak with a medical professional (sports medicine practitioner preferably). |
| 2008-09-02 11:30 AM in reply to: #1641764 |
Master 1790 | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Where are you sore on the knee? That affects probable cause. Also, to ask the obvious, are your running shoes ready to be retired? |
| 2008-09-02 2:12 PM in reply to: #1643337 |
| Subject: RE: Running Gait two I get sore on the outer edge of my left knee and it then moves (I feel it ) on the front below the knee cap like where the bones come up. Shoes, I run in two different pairs, one NB and one Asics. However I did buy a new pair of redwings, as I am on concrete and steel all day. The shoe guy insistied I buy a 14d and I usally buy 13e. I have been wearing these for two weeks now and my knee feels better. Today I wore my old boots (13E) and now at the end of a 9 hour day my knees are sore and so are my heels. I am thinking my boots ahve been screwing me for awhile and I was just use to the feeling. As I trained more the boot problem was brought to the forefront. I am over 300 miles on my NB and they are going to move to yard shoe status. The Asics are about 200 miles. The feel on my bottom of my foot and on the heals are great, however I like the way the NB fits my foot overall. The asics feel like they are sliding in the toe box. I guess when I buy my next pair I will go to a running store and not Sports Authority. Thanks for comments Joe |
| 2008-09-02 2:42 PM in reply to: #1641764 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Running Gait two Running in two completely different models and manufacturers probably isn't helping either. I'd recommend that when you replace them, go with the shoe that feels better and stick with that brand/model from now on. I've run in Saucony for the past 3 years and have averaged around 1,400 miles or so per year and even changing from the one model I used to the same model but newer version has caused my legs to have some issues. Subtle differences in shoes can make a big difference in how you run, especially for newer runners. |
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