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2012-09-25 6:03 PM

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Subject: Are the NFL Owners in the Wrong
So you have some part time employees making some fairly aggressive demands including a pension plan. My first thought is I am with the owners. However, the old theory of supply and demand goes in favor of the officials. They are the best (not always great) at their profession. The abysmal performance of the replacements not only backs this up, but also gives the locked out officials a lot of bargaining power. However, to make the $$$ as a part time employee that the locked out officials make and to ask for more as well as something that most full time employees and probably no part time employees do not get is unreasonable in my opinion. Therefore, I hope the owner’s stick to their guns on this one no matter how bad it gets.

P.S. I love some of the comments of the players that the owners are greedy. Talk about calling the kettle black.


2012-09-25 6:11 PM
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I thought the refs already had a pension plan and the owners want to get rid if it? As I understood it, the refs aren't making any demands-they want to preserve the status quo.
2012-09-25 6:18 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-09-25 5:11 PM I thought the refs already had a pension plan and the owners want to get rid if it? As I understood it, the refs aren't making any demands-they want to preserve the status quo.

I believe the owners want to change it from a defined benefit pension to a 401k.  The refs want to keep it as it.  They were saying on the radio the real reason for the lockout is that Goodell is trying to build up his reputation as a hard bargainer for negotiations with the players which is coming up next year.  That's the real fight they're positioning themselves for.



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2012-09-25 6:37 PM
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I'm usually pretty anti-union, especially when it comes to public unions.

But these officials are members of a private union, they are the best at what they do and their individual performance is regularly assessed. They have contributed to the overwhelming success of the company they serve and they should in some measure participate in that success.

I can understand why owners want to define their future benefits but I do think the officials should get something in return.

2012-09-25 6:39 PM
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From what I have heard, while the pension plan has dominated the news, it is actually the back up crews issue that is the sticking point. The NFL wants to bring on something like 4 additional crews so there is more than 1 backup crew for the season. The ref union sees this as a threat to existing referees.

 

Honestly, I agree with the owners on this one. With some of the past terrible calls made, I wouldn't mind havinf some alternates available during the season.

2012-09-25 7:12 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2012-09-25 7:39 PM

From what I have heard, while the pension plan has dominated the news, it is actually the back up crews issue that is the sticking point. The NFL wants to bring on something like 4 additional crews so there is more than 1 backup crew for the season. The ref union sees this as a threat to existing referees.

 

Honestly, I agree with the owners on this one. With some of the past terrible calls made, I wouldn't mind havinf some alternates available during the season.



I have heard the issue with the back up crews also. I think it is also important to remember that Goodell works for the owners. I am sure he has a huge ego, but this is about the owners.


2012-09-25 7:52 PM
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scoobysdad - 2012-09-24 7:37 PM I'm usually pretty anti-union, especially when it comes to public unions. But these officials are members of a private union, they are the best at what they do and their individual performance is regularly assessed. They have contributed to the overwhelming success of the company they serve and they should in some measure participate in that success. I can understand why owners want to define their future benefits but I do think the officials should get something in return.

I agree.  This is exactly the kind of place where Unions are appropriate... there is no "market" for the refs to seek another job.  

 

I'll admit to not looking at any of the news (or watching the games... not a fan) but IMHO the owners should be offering to keep the defined benefit plan for existing employees but offering 401k for new employees.  That seems "fair."

2012-09-25 8:03 PM
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The refs are certainly to blame somewhat, too. I read on Bleacher Report that they basically intimidated the college refs and others who would be qualified to replace them.  Granted, the journalistic integrity of Bleacher Report is suspect at times, but you have to wonder why any ref in college wouldn't want to work an NFL game.

Plus, they make REALLY good money (like $150K/year) for a part time job.  That's not a bad gig.  Hard to say what their real worth is though.

JMHO

2012-09-25 8:23 PM
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Refs make $70k per year, and it's hardly "part-time" even if it is 1 game a week.

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2012-09-25 8:35 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2012-09-25 7:39 PM

From what I have heard, while the pension plan has dominated the news, it is actually the back up crews issue that is the sticking point. The NFL wants to bring on something like 4 additional crews so there is more than 1 backup crew for the season. The ref union sees this as a threat to existing referees.

 

Honestly, I agree with the owners on this one. With some of the past terrible calls made, I wouldn't mind havinf some alternates available during the season.

The problem with the backup refs is not that they are a threat to the existing referees.  It has more to do with the NFL wanting to add all these additional referees while keeping the referee money pool the same.  

2012-09-25 9:11 PM
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scoobysdad - 2012-09-25 7:37 PM

I'm usually pretty anti-union, especially when it comes to public unions.

But these officials are members of a private union, they are the best at what they do and their individual performance is regularly assessed. They have contributed to the overwhelming success of the company they serve and they should in some measure participate in that success.

I can understand why owners want to define their future benefits but I do think the officials should get something in return.



Same here, usually anti-union, but something's not quite right. Still reading up on it.

2012-09-25 9:30 PM
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Most of these guys are insurance salesman, teachers, etc. This is a part time job that pays $150k - $190k plus per diem. Hard to support their dise IMO. Part of their argument is the league makes billions so it can afford more that the 5%-10% raise they are offering. Sorry, but the owners are called owners for a reason. Just because they can afford it doesn't make it right.
2012-09-25 9:47 PM
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As long as the games keep selling out, and the TV contracts become bigger and bigger, what incentive would the owners have to give in?  As bad as the current officiating is, I can't see where it's cost the owners a single penny.  

The statement from the NFL today about last night's game ending call should be all you need to know with regard to what the owners think.

Allow me to paraphrase:

"we stand by the call and you can all pound salt"



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