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2008-10-27 6:15 AM


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Hi Beginners (and not so beginners)...

 This is just a reminder to make sure you check in with your doc before you start any exercise program and periodically while you are in one.  I know, I know, everyone says it, but does anyone actually do it?  Yesterday, I was out on a hike, and was picnicing with my family at the top of a small mountain when a 50-something man came by trail-running.  I don't know anything about him...how long he has been running, his medical history, or anything....what I do know is that he made it to about 10 feet from our picnic table when he collapsed with a heart attack.  I ran for help while my husband administered CPR, but it is unlikely that he survived (he hadn't rescusitated by the time they took him to the hospital in the ambulance).  He was obviously enjoying being relatively fit and getting in a run on a beautiful day, just like any of us could have been doing yesterday, but his heart was just not up for it.  So, please, if you are just starting or have any doubts....get a quick check-out from your doc, just to make sure there aren't any obvious issues.....and get CPR trained!!!



2008-10-27 6:25 AM
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Wow, I did that before I started training for Ironman last year. Even had a stress test and everything was fine.

I'm sorry to hear about your day, good job on getting him help.

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2008-10-27 9:34 AM
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I did.  Not before I started, but when I started trying to use a HRM and realized that my HR seemed really high.  I would pick up into a slow jog and my HR would bust through 180 and stay there (which supposedly translated to 80% or higher of my max).  Given the heart problems in my family, I decided to check it out.  Doc didn't seem worried but did an in office EKG and told me to go have fun.  We both figured it was due to my having never run since early HS (unless about to miss a plane) and I'm now 25.  So that is a lot of years without asking my body to put up even slow jog effort.  I've actually been meaning to go back out with a HRM and see if there has been any change since I've been focusing more on the run.  I stopped using it when I realized all it was going to do was beep at me to slow down - which meant just walking.  I feel better when I'm out there and seem to recover fairly quickly once I stop so, so far so good!

 

2008-10-27 10:04 AM
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I checked with my PCP before starting due to some oldish injuries that I like to keep an eye on. New PCP for me as well due to my change in insurance at my job. Luckily I was able to get a doc who practices family medicine and has an interest/degree in sports medicine. So he keeps a good eye on me.

Scary ordeal with the heart attack guy. And definately a good reminder to renew my cpr certification.

2008-10-27 10:21 AM
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Thank you for the reminder.  I was due for my physical in September and just didn't get around to scheduling.  I just called up the Dr. for the full shebang--including cardiogram tomorrow AM.

I am sorry about your frightening experience. 

2008-10-27 10:29 AM
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I went in to the doctor a couple of month ago, and he just looked at me kinda strange, like "You're healthy, why are you here?" Seemed like a total waste of $25 and a half day off from work.


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Scary experience for you, and a GREAT reminder for us... Thanks!

I went to my Doc (before I started training) because my cholesterol numbers were strange... he took an EKG, and freaked out because my HR was too low... He sent me to a Cardiologist - who nearly threw me out of his office, said I was fine, and to go out and exercise! Then I started training for my Marathon... My cholesterol numbers are now in normal range

2008-10-27 12:22 PM
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Sorry to hear about your morning, however I believe we will go when we will go. Remember Ryan Shay?

He could have gone while sitting in traffic or at the office at the very same time/second he was running and enjoying his day, but he went out doing something he hopefully enjoyed.

Life is short; yes kinda, it's the longest thing we are guaranteed to have, so enjoy it while you have it.




2008-10-27 12:32 PM
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ZekeB - 2008-10-27 1:22 PM
Sorry to hear about your morning, however I believe we will go when we will go. Remember Ryan Shay?

He could have gone while sitting in traffic or at the office at the very same time/second he was running and enjoying his day, but he went out doing something he hopefully enjoyed.

Life is short; yes kinda, it's the longest thing we are guaranteed to have, so enjoy it while you have it.


Yea but one should still take all reasonable precautions.... I mean you wear a seat belt right?
2008-10-27 12:37 PM
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dtjunkie - 2008-10-27 10:32 AM

ZekeB - 2008-10-27 1:22 PM
Sorry to hear about your morning, however I believe we will go when we will go. Remember Ryan Shay?

He could have gone while sitting in traffic or at the office at the very same time/second he was running and enjoying his day, but he went out doing something he hopefully enjoyed.

Life is short; yes kinda, it's the longest thing we are guaranteed to have, so enjoy it while you have it.


Yea but one should still take all reasonable precautions.... I mean you wear a seat belt right?


Only while texting and eating when driving over 150mph in the dark with my headlights off!
2008-10-27 9:49 PM
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kmanus - 2008-10-27 8:34 AM

I stopped using it when I realized all it was going to do was beep at me to slow down - which meant just walking. 


In that case you should do some threshold heart rate testing...everyone is different and a HR monitor is great tool for training when used properly.


2008-10-28 10:27 AM
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AdventureBear - 2008-10-27 7:49 PM
kmanus - 2008-10-27 8:34 AM I stopped using it when I realized all it was going to do was beep at me to slow down - which meant just walking. 
In that case you should do some threshold heart rate testing...everyone is different and a HR monitor is great tool for training when used properly.

Yeah it is on the list.  Trying to decide which is more worthwhile - LT test or VO2max testing.  Part of my reasoning for dumping it was because I knew I was totally out of shape so while it is probably  useful for that slow progessive get in shape option, I prefer the just go out and blast through that wall kind of pregression.  Kind of like biking up Mt. Lemmon.  I wore it one day for that and I had a max of 99% of my max and an average of 92%.  That was so helpful since I couldn't possibly slow down anymore (< 3mph on the bike kinda causes me to tip over).  Only option I would have is to stop and when you try biking up that thing, the more stopping you do the more tired you get.

One of the other issues I had/have that is probably contributing is my breathing.  I start to do really shallow breathing when I start to get tired on a run (or bike).  I found if I concentrate on long slow breaths, I tend to last for a little longer, and recover quicker.

2008-10-28 11:34 AM
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ZekeB - 2008-10-27 1:22 PM Sorry to hear about your morning, however I believe we will go when we will go. Remember Ryan Shay? He could have gone while sitting in traffic or at the office at the very same time/second he was running and enjoying his day, but he went out doing something he hopefully enjoyed. Life is short; yes kinda, it's the longest thing we are guaranteed to have, so enjoy it while you have it.

But didn't he die of something that couldn't really have been detected except for what would have been an onslaught of really expensive out of the ordinary tests? Most docs probably wouldn't go and test for weird congenital defects unless there was a real concern/other symptoms, I'm guessing.

2008-10-28 11:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Please check with your doc
kmanus - 2008-10-28 10:27 AM

Yeah it is on the list.  Trying to decide which is more worthwhile - LT test or VO2max testing.  Part of my reasoning for dumping it was because I knew I was totally out of shape so while it is probably  useful for that slow progessive get in shape option, I prefer the just go out and blast through that wall kind of pregression.  Kind of like biking up Mt. Lemmon.  I wore it one day for that and I had a max of 99% of my max and an average of 92%.  That was so helpful since I couldn't possibly slow down anymore (< 3mph on the bike kinda causes me to tip over).  Only option I would have is to stop and when you try biking up that thing, the more stopping you do the more tired you get.

One of the other issues I had/have that is probably contributing is my breathing.  I start to do really shallow breathing when I start to get tired on a run (or bike).  I found if I concentrate on long slow breaths, I tend to last for a little longer, and recover quicker.

 Both are important and but tells you something about your current fitness, your athletic potential and can help you improve. The best part is that both can be performed on your own, you can do run at a track for 5min one day and 2-3 days later run 20 min. record the pace and those will be your VO2 and LT paces. Use the HR and do the same on the bike and those will be your VO2max HR and your LTHR.
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