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2012-07-08 7:04 AM

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My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. We hope to sell our home and buy a new one maybe in about a year or so. We are trying to save as much as we can for a down payment. Right now we have maybe $30k in equity in our current home. Interest rate is something like 3.75% I believe, and we owe around $90k.

My question: Is it better to throw the money we are saving into a savings account or something, or is it better to pay more towards our home and increase our equity and save the interest we would be paying? I am really not sure how getting the equity out of your current home and into your new home when you are buying and selling a home at the same time works. Neither of us have done that before! There is no early pay off penalty on our current mortgage. No idea how much we can save between now and then but hopefully it will be upwards of $20k-30k.


2012-07-08 7:47 AM
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Savings are liquid.   Home equity is not.  If your plans change in a year, would you rather have $30k in the bank, or $30k in home equity? 

 

2012-07-08 8:50 AM
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moondawg14 - 2012-07-08 8:47 AM

Savings are liquid.   Home equity is not.  If your plans change in a year, would you rather have $30k in the bank, or $30k in home equity? 

 

agreed, also, if you are pretty sure you can sell your home for more than what you owe + selling costs, there is no reason to build up equity in it!!

2012-07-08 12:29 PM
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brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

2012-07-08 12:36 PM
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faded_memories - 2012-07-08 11:29 AM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

 

Having $30k in equity in one year does not necessarily mean the owner paid in $30k in that time period. 



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2012-07-08 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Home buying/selling question
mehaner - 2012-07-08 8:50 AM
moondawg14 - 2012-07-08 8:47 AM

Savings are liquid.   Home equity is not.  If your plans change in a year, would you rather have $30k in the bank, or $30k in home equity? 

 

agreed, also, if you are pretty sure you can sell your home for more than what you owe + selling costs, there is no reason to build up equity in it!!

What they said.

Build up your savings.  Paying extra on the existing mortgage is going to have a negligible impact on interest in the short term.  If you use the extra money to build up your savings instead you could buy the next house with or without selling your current home.  I have never done the "equity transfer" but I believe there are a few ways to do it.  Best to ask a mortgage broker...go in to inquire about rates and just plain ask the question.  I know that when you go shopping for your next house you could make the contract/closing contingent upon selling your current house first.  This could scare off a lot of sellers because in today's market it could take a LONG time to sell a house.  It leaves closing up in the air.  Your offer on a new house comes across a lot stronger if it IS NOT contingent upon selling your current house.  Of course, that means you have to qualify with a high enough income to support two mortgages simulatneously.

Another option...so let's say you build up your savings rather than pay down the mortgage.  Now you have a down payment for the next house (if you can qualify to get two loans at the same time.).  Why not rent the current house out for a year or two?  There are rules as to how many years you need to have lived in a house within the last five years not to pay capital gains on the sale...it's something like 2 or 3 out of the last 5.  Whatever it is, make those numbers work for you.  Rent for a year or two then sell.  You'll build up one or two more years of equity with someone paying 90% of your mortgage, you'll get a nice tax break, you give the market a little more time to recover, and you still won't have to pay capital gains when you sell.

Once you sell you can then dump the equity into your new house in a big lump sum and make a good dent in the future interest.



2012-07-08 3:49 PM
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faded_memories - 2012-07-08 12:29 PM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

I'm guessing they re-financed to a 15-year loan a year ago... but had a 30-year loan for X years before that.

Me, I would keep my cash. You just never know.



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lisac957 - 2012-07-08 4:49 PM

faded_memories - 2012-07-08 12:29 PM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

I'm guessing they re-financed to a 15-year loan a year ago... but had a 30-year loan for X years before that.

Me, I would keep my cash. You just never know.



Keep the cash! All you're doing by paying the mortgage is arbitraging the interest rate. Either do that via savings (although rates are terrible) or by pre paying your already very low interest rate and hoping prices rise. I simply don't see another explosion in real estate prices in the near future. Not enough income around and way too much supply
2012-07-08 6:53 PM
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faded_memories - 2012-07-08 12:29 PM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...



Lisa is right, we had a thirty year mortgage and refinanced into a fifteen. We are living in a small three bedroom ranch with four kids, three of them sharing a 10 ft by 11 ft room...kind of a long story, but we hope to adopt all of them before the end of the year and we just need more room! So that is why we are looking at moving. Our situation in the last year has changed, and when we bought our house five years ago we never dreamed we'd have four kids at this time.

Thanks for the info. I figured saving up the cash would be the best but just wanted to make sure we weren't missing anything.
2012-07-08 7:14 PM
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brynn - 2012-07-08 7:53 PM

faded_memories - 2012-07-08 12:29 PM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...



Lisa is right, we had a thirty year mortgage and refinanced into a fifteen. We are living in a small three bedroom ranch with four kids, three of them sharing a 10 ft by 11 ft room...kind of a long story, but we hope to adopt all of them before the end of the year and we just need more room! So that is why we are looking at moving. Our situation in the last year has changed, and when we bought our house five years ago we never dreamed we'd have four kids at this time.

Thanks for the info. I figured saving up the cash would be the best but just wanted to make sure we weren't missing anything.


Now THAT is awesome!!!
2012-07-09 7:11 AM
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abqtj - 2012-07-08 1:36 PM
faded_memories - 2012-07-08 11:29 AM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

 

Having $30k in equity in one year does not necessarily mean the owner paid in $30k in that time period. 

also...speaking of math...$90k in principle does not equal $90k worth of payments over three years...



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brynn - 2012-07-08 7:53 PM
faded_memories - 2012-07-08 12:29 PM

brynn -

My husband and I have a 15 year mortgage with 14 years left on it. .....$30k in equity in our current home....we owe around $90k.

If you paid in $30k in a year, why not just do the same for 3 more years and be done with it?

If you are only going to stick with a house for a year, why buy? Renting is much better for such short terms.

I'm thinking we aren't using the same math or there is a dramatic typo in the original post...

Lisa is right, we had a thirty year mortgage and refinanced into a fifteen. We are living in a small three bedroom ranch with four kids, three of them sharing a 10 ft by 11 ft room...kind of a long story, but we hope to adopt all of them before the end of the year and we just need more room! So that is why we are looking at moving. Our situation in the last year has changed, and when we bought our house five years ago we never dreamed we'd have four kids at this time. Thanks for the info. I figured saving up the cash would be the best but just wanted to make sure we weren't missing anything.

this is the coolest thing.  good luck!

2012-07-09 7:41 AM
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Remodel using your equity as a basis for the cost of improvements? Do you like your lot / neighborhood / schools? If possible, maybe keeping the same address and making it work the way you want it to makes better financial sense?

Builders are hungry lately.
2012-07-09 8:10 AM
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You can also look into a high yield savings account.  They can usually do a bit better than your traditional savings.  Mrs C uses one for our savings, and it does pretty ok for us.  She works in finance, so she handles pretty much all the money.  Lucky for me I don't make much, and she can't throw me out and take all my money, since I have none. 
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pitt83 - 2012-07-09 7:41 AM

Remodel using your equity as a basis for the cost of improvements? Do you like your lot / neighborhood / schools? If possible, maybe keeping the same address and making it work the way you want it to makes better financial sense?

Builders are hungry lately.


We have thought about that. I love our current location and we live in a great school district but our neighbors are awful (calling the police on us for a car that was parked in the street that they *thought* was ours, other neighbors yelling at us for doing fireworks at 9 p.m. on the 4th of July, yelling at us because their dog was barking at us and made our 2 year old so scared that he had to go inside during a birthday party in our own back yard, etc.). We've thought (only sort of jokingly) about paying them to move but they still probably wouldn't, they have lived here for like 20 years each. Plus we want to be closer to both our parents and will probably end up moving about 45 minutes closer to them. Yay for free babysitting.

And we do have a high-yield savings account...not as high-yielding as it used to be, but certainly still better interest than the savings account at our bank!
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