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2012-09-06 6:33 AM

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My random thoughts so far.

I didn't get to watch all of Bill's speech last night, but I forgot just how good he was.  I know Obama gets a lot of credit for giving a good speech but I think he's going to have a tough task topping Bill from what I saw.  
Not getting into the content per se', just talking about delivery and the way he eloquently stretches the truth to make it very believable.  He'd be the first pick on my fantasy politician team.

I still think Sandra Fluke was a mistake for them to elevate her to the level they have.  I know the issue is important to a lot of people, but I think those people are all going to vote D anyways.

One bit of irony I found was the DNC talking heads went on and on over the weekend about how the DNC is united and the RNC is divided.  Whoops, after the platform debacle with ticking off evangelicals and the Jewish vote and then deciding to back it out but having to fudge the delegate vote to get it backed out.  OK, maybe not so united.

I'm looking forward to Obama's speech tonight.  I got $5 that says he doesn't offer a plan of how to fix the mess.  



2012-09-06 6:37 AM
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Oh and I can't leave out the Chris Matthews quote of the night:

"If Clinton landed on Mars, he would know how to do it with them. He would know how to reproduce. He would know everything. He'd just instinctively know. How to talk to people. He'd be laughing in about five minutes."

2012-09-06 7:09 AM
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tuwood - 2012-09-06 6:37 AM

Oh and I can't leave out the Chris Matthews quote of the night:

"If Clinton landed on Mars, he would know how to do it with them. He would know how to reproduce. He would know everything. He'd just instinctively know. How to talk to people. He'd be laughing in about five minutes."

And he'd be elected King of Mars in no time flat.  Charisma.  Wish I could get me some of that!

2012-09-06 8:06 AM
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My take: When is a 2/3rds vote not a 2/3rds vote?
2012-09-06 8:15 AM
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Brock Samson - 2012-09-06 9:06 AM My take: When is a 2/3rds vote not a 2/3rds vote?

That reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHcyIjnaZY

2012-09-06 8:35 AM
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Bill Clinton has this, "I'm not running for anything, seeking a prize, or out for personal gain.  I'm just trying to help YOU." personna.  That's why he's so popular and powerful now.

The risk is in Clinton upstaging Obama.  The Dems now have to quickly get him off stage and out of the way to put the spotlight on Obama.

The political positioning of a possible Hillary in 2016 with Bill at her side as "First Gentleman" is quite intriguing.  Could he use that charm and charisma to catapult his "estranged"? wife in 4 years?

Elevating Sandra Fluke is the same as the Repubs elevating Christian Conservatives - trying to energize the base.  This election can't be won by just those people already decided.  Theer are a lot of undecidedes out there and each party needs it's base to work hard to swing them over to their side.  While there's always been a lot of potential on the Dem side for students, young, minorities (if you could call non-Caucasians "minorities" anymore) - these are the least likely people to vote.

Compared to the Repubs who have more enthusiasm about Herman Cain and Sarah Palin than they do their own candidate, a rogue Tea Party movement who doesn't give a $hit about the party leadership or party direction as a whole, and the schism between hard-core Conservatives who want the Repub party to take a massive leap to the right while others want to stay closer to the middle...  The Dems look very much united.

While I don't think tonight will be a policy speech with specific details...  I'll take that $5 bet that there'll be more substance than in what Romney delivered which was bupkis!  It may not be much, but there'll be something.  (He has a clear and unfair advantage in going after the RNC.  They've had a week to analyze the RNC and prep the message+response.)

 



2012-09-06 9:13 AM
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-06 9:35 AM

Bill Clinton has this, "I'm not running for anything, seeking a prize, or out for personal gain.  I'm just trying to help YOU." personna.  That's why he's so popular and powerful now.

Compared to the Repubs who have more enthusiasm about Herman Cain and Sarah Palin than they do their own candidate,  

Bill's personal gain is the adoration of the media and the crowds.  He loves that stuff.  I still think we should put him up for Sec General of the UN even though I'm as R as they get.

I have to call Bull on your "enthusiasm" comment.  Herman Cain lost a long time ago, Sarah Palin wasn't invited to the convention and last I checked was just a political commentator now.  I think you need to stop watching so much MSNBC and check out the other side every once in a while.  Republicans are firmly behind Romney now.  I think he missed an opportunity with not picking Rubio, but Ryan really energizes the base.  Romney's got more strong support from R's than Bush had the second time around.

I'll take your $5 bet on the substance vs rhetoric.  But how do we decide that?  a Poll on BT perhaps?

When I win your $5, I'm going to donate it to the Right to Life Foundation... ooohh that'll hurt...

2012-09-06 9:42 AM
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-06 8:35 AM

Bill Clinton has this, "I'm not running for anything, seeking a prize, or out for personal gain.  I'm just trying to help YOU." personna.  That's why he's so popular and powerful now.

The risk is in Clinton upstaging Obama.  The Dems now have to quickly get him off stage and out of the way to put the spotlight on Obama.

The political positioning of a possible Hillary in 2016 with Bill at her side as "First Gentleman" is quite intriguing.  Could he use that charm and charisma to catapult his "estranged"? wife in 4 years?

Elevating Sandra Fluke is the same as the Repubs elevating Christian Conservatives - trying to energize the base.  This election can't be won by just those people already decided.  Theer are a lot of undecidedes out there and each party needs it's base to work hard to swing them over to their side.  While there's always been a lot of potential on the Dem side for students, young, minorities (if you could call non-Caucasians "minorities" anymore) - these are the least likely people to vote.

Compared to the Repubs who have more enthusiasm about Herman Cain and Sarah Palin than they do their own candidate, a rogue Tea Party movement who doesn't give a $hit about the party leadership or party direction as a whole, and the schism between hard-core Conservatives who want the Repub party to take a massive leap to the right while others want to stay closer to the middle...  The Dems look very much united.

While I don't think tonight will be a policy speech with specific details...  I'll take that $5 bet that there'll be more substance than in what Romney delivered which was bupkis!  It may not be much, but there'll be something.  (He has a clear and unfair advantage in going after the RNC.  They've had a week to analyze the RNC and prep the message+response.)

 

The lack of specifics from Romney frustrates me too, but I'm guessing he thinks he can win on the "Obama failed" platform similar to Obama beating McCain on the "Bush failed" platform.

If Romney goes out and details all his cuts he's planning then he'd stoke the fires in the special interests that value those items.  Same with Obama, if he comes out and says where he's going to spend money or cut money then he gets hammered even more.  So it's safer to just say "i'll invest in the economy and raise taxes on the rich" or "I'll cut spending and lower taxes for everybody".  

I don't think I can fault Obama any more than Romney about a lack of specifics because they're both doing the same thing.

2012-09-06 10:21 AM
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As far as being a good public speaker Clinton is one of the best if not the best of the last 100 years.  Reagan is pretty darn good to so I think it's a very close race between those two for best speaker as president.  Tough call.

 

You can tell it's still Bill's party and Obama is just driving the car for right now.  If Bill were allowed to run again he would and he would probably win.  People just want to like the guy.

2012-09-06 10:30 AM
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As far as being a good public speaker Clinton is one of the best if not the best of the last 100 years.  Reagan is pretty darn good to so I think it's a very close race between those two for best speaker as president.  Tough call.

 

You can tell it's still Bill's party and Obama is just driving the car for right now.  If Bill were allowed to run again he would and he would probably win.  People just want to like the guy.

"Driving Miss Hillary"?

Yeah.  I could see that.  Wink

I'm actually quite curious as to what type of "marriage" the Clintons have these days.  They never seem to be in the same place as Sec State and his political/charitable work have them in different corners of the world all the time.  I wonder if she truly ever forgave him.  I wonder if there's still any love or if they've morphed into a modern "political couple" with their own agendas.  A marriage on paper.  Very different than both Romney and Obama whom have had long, strong marriages.

 

2012-09-06 11:03 AM
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-06 9:35 AM

Bill Clinton has this, "I'm not running for anything, seeking a prize, or out for personal gain.  I'm just trying to help YOU." personna.  That's why he's so popular and powerful now.

Compared to the Repubs who have more enthusiasm about Herman Cain and Sarah Palin than they do their own candidate,  

Bill's personal gain is the adoration of the media and the crowds.  He loves that stuff.  I still think we should put him up for Sec General of the UN even though I'm as R as they get.

I have to call Bull on your "enthusiasm" comment.  Herman Cain lost a long time ago, Sarah Palin wasn't invited to the convention and last I checked was just a political commentator now.  I think you need to stop watching so much MSNBC and check out the other side every once in a while.  Republicans are firmly behind Romney now.  I think he missed an opportunity with not picking Rubio, but Ryan really energizes the base.  Romney's got more strong support from R's than Bush had the second time around.

I'll take your $5 bet on the substance vs rhetoric.  But how do we decide that?  a Poll on BT perhaps?

When I win your $5, I'm going to donate it to the Right to Life Foundation... ooohh that'll hurt...

Well said!

I did listen to Clinton last night and as always enjoyed hearing him speak...not so much what everythiing he said.  Interesting that one point he was trying to make was working with Repubs to get the job done and that Dems were better at working across parties.  Really?  I have not seen that with this adminsitration.  I don't see either party trying to work together to get anything done.

Another observation, I caught part of Sandra Fluke, listening to her you would think that the Obama administration has chased down all the fraudulant bankers and has reformed wallstreet!  Who has gone to jail?  Who has been indicted?  Noone that I am aware of.  I didn't hear her entire speach but she did absolutely nothing for me.



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Brock Samson - 2012-09-06 9:06 AM My take: When is a 2/3rds vote not a 2/3rds vote?

That reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHcyIjnaZY

Speaking of 2/3rds votes: That clip was 2+ years ago, this clip of the convention was from yesterday, Sep 5. 

Look past the subject matter (the procedural ruling & platform wording) and gain an insight into how the leadership 'governs' regardless of the actual voting and people's wishes.

It is clear that 2/3rds did NOT agree, but it was declared passed anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4z64YjfEaQ

2012-09-08 12:14 PM
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Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-09-06 9:30 AM
Jtiger - 2012-09-06 11:21 AM

As far as being a good public speaker Clinton is one of the best if not the best of the last 100 years.  Reagan is pretty darn good to so I think it's a very close race between those two for best speaker as president.  Tough call.

 

You can tell it's still Bill's party and Obama is just driving the car for right now.  If Bill were allowed to run again he would and he would probably win.  People just want to like the guy.

"Driving Miss Hillary"?

Yeah.  I could see that.  Wink

I'm actually quite curious as to what type of "marriage" the Clintons have these days.  They never seem to be in the same place as Sec State and his political/charitable work have them in different corners of the world all the time.  I wonder if she truly ever forgave him.  I wonder if there's still any love or if they've morphed into a modern "political couple" with their own agendas.  A marriage on paper.  Very different than both Romney and Obama whom have had long, strong marriages.

Morphed into? They always have been.

2012-09-08 6:01 PM
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I didn't catch much of the convention so I hit you tube for some speeches from both today. I was very much struck by the drastic difference in demographics of the attendees.
2012-09-09 8:16 AM
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Yep I agree. Especially the teardrop tattoo guy who was pi--ed when they added God and Jerusalem.

Doesn't that tat mean you killed someone in a gang war or prison?

Overall, my impression of the DNC was "this is not a good cross section of America.". Then again neither was the RNC crowd.
2012-09-09 8:39 AM
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Brock Samson - 2012-09-06 9:06 AM My take: When is a 2/3rds vote not a 2/3rds vote?

When the outcome is already on the teleprompter...



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