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Subject: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
Sometimes I'm not able to get out and walk to train for "run" portion - does anyone have experience on using elliptical as a substitute on at least some of those trains?

Also, I wear contact and am looking for some good goggles that I can use with contacts for swimming.

Thanks for your help!


2007-02-27 12:58 PM
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The elliptical cannot replace running, but it will provide good aerobic benefits.   I would not call it a substitute, but it is a good complement.    You can't do half your run workouts on the elliptical and expect to do great in the race.  

The goggles with the best seal have the rubber suction cup thingies around them.   Those almost never leak on me, but they are a little less comfortable.    If you are just swimming, there is no reason to wear contacts actually.  You really only need to see far enough to prevent hitting something.     

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2007-02-27 2:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
I always wear my contacts when swimming, but then again I can hardly see 6 inches in front of my face with out them.  I have had very good luck with both the Aqua Sphere Kaiman, which has a rubber seal and they TYR X-Sight Lite which has a foam seal.  I have never had any problems with any of these.
2007-02-27 2:15 PM
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I personally think that elliptical machines will add more to your run than treadmills. However, it depends on the machine. Try to use the ones that also make you move your arms. If your gym doesn't have ones like that, then try not to hold on to the side rails. Once your starting supporting yourself on your arms on the side rails, the exercise becomes close to useless.
2007-02-27 2:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions

As mentioned above, you can use the elliptical for extra cardio training but it won't do much for your running.  If it's a choice between the elliptical or nothing, then definately use it.  (And I disagree with the above poster--a treadmill would be a much better option if it's available to you, though guessing it's not.)

All you need for goggles are ones that fit.  The type that works best varies from person-to-person--you may get lucky on your first try or you may have to try several pairs to find ones that work for you.  The goggles should be able to form a seal on your face without having to use the strap.  I wear my contacts all the time when I swim.  Can't see beans without them.



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2007-02-27 2:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
tkbslc - 2007-02-27 12:58 PM

The elliptical cannot replace running, but it will provide good aerobic benefits.   I would not call it a substitute, but it is a good complement.    You can't do half your run workouts on the elliptical and expect to do great in the race.  

I do half my "running" (days) on the elliptical and do fine in races. For nearly the past three years I have run three times per week and hit the elliptical the other three days. I find it provides a decent surrogate without the impact. As a side benefit it gives me a great way to monitor and reinforce proper cadence.

Would I have benefited more from running six days a week? Possibly. Would the propensity for injury be greater? As I sit here sidelined at this moment, I have no doubts.

2007-02-27 2:55 PM
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the bear - 2007-02-27 2:41 PM I do half my "running" (days) on the elliptical and do fine in races. For nearly the past three years I have run three times per week and hit the elliptical the other three days. I find it provides a decent surrogate without the impact. As a side benefit it gives me a great way to monitor and reinforce proper cadence.

Would I have benefited more from running six days a week? Possibly. Would the propensity for injury be greater? As I sit here sidelined at this moment, I have no doubts.

Have you tried aqua jogging?  My understanding is that this is a better low-impact running surrogate than the elliptical.  Just a thought. 

Sorry for the thread hijack.

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JohnnyKay - 2007-02-27 2:55 PM

Have you tried aqua jogging?  My understanding is that this is a better low-impact running surrogate than the elliptical.  Just a thought. 

Sorry for the thread hijack.

Yes I have. Didn't find it to be as good a workout, and found it to be incredibly dull. At least on the ET I can watch TV or listen to the ipod.

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tinysgirl - 2007-02-27 1:52 PM

Sometimes I'm not able to get out and walk to train for "run" portion - does anyone have experience on using elliptical as a substitute on at least some of those trains?

Also, I wear contact and am looking for some good goggles that I can use with contacts for swimming.

Thanks for your help!


Well I have ACTUAL experience with using the eliptical instead of run training as does The Bear above, and agree with him.

I trained TOTALLY on an eliptical for an ENTIRE race season because of a BAD ankle injury. You know what, I had the same run times as the year before. The day after the race my legs were sore but not dramatically so.

But when I did use the eliptical it I would not hold on with my hands and use them just as I would when running.

As for contacts I wore them and did fine with this pair of goggles here, you can get them at most Walmart stores. Aqua Sphere They are larger than usual goggles and you can site bouyes much better when swimming in open water into the sun rise http://www.aquasphereswim.com/products/seal_clear_transblue.html
2007-02-27 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
thanks so much to all of you! Very helpful. I might try aqua jogging and/or treadmill (the elliptical - good high-end Precor one - is at the house which what it makes it ultra-convenient but I have acess to everything at the Y.

I'll try the goggles and/or prescription goggles - was just trying to wear the contacts so that I could have them on during bike and run/walk - am blind as a bat otherwise, and glasses don't do as well with sweat and wet....

I'll be doing my very first tri in July (a present to myself for my 50th birthday, so wish me luck!


2007-02-27 7:41 PM
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On the goggles issue . . .

I wear gas-permeable contact lenses, and have for years. I swim with them in all the time, with no problems. I swim with Tyr goggles -- I forget the exact kind . . .race tech? Tech race? something like that . . . but the point is, I don't feel that I need to do anything special with my goggles just because I have contacts. It's really never been an issue.

Now, the other day, when I accidentally squirted shampoo into my eye in the shower after the pool, THAT was an issue.

Edited: Tyr Technoflex vision 2.0. No wonder I can't remember the name of the goggles, it's a stupid mashup of words.

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2007-02-27 7:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
I swim in my contacts every time.  In fact, I am not sure I have ever considered taking them out.  My personal goggle of choice is the Nike Remora II.  I have tried others and keep coming back to these. 
2007-02-27 8:01 PM
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I'm with the bear and RBRMIKE. I was forced to not run for several months last year and supplemented a lot with the elliptical. After I was back to running I still limit running to 3 times per week and use the ellip about 2 times a week. I find my running is actually improved. Like the bear said, maybe I could be better off with more running but I don't think my joints would hold up.
2007-02-27 8:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
the bear - 2007-02-27 1:41 PM
tkbslc - 2007-02-27 12:58 PM

The elliptical cannot replace running, but it will provide good aerobic benefits. I would not call it a substitute, but it is a good complement. You can't do half your run workouts on the elliptical and expect to do great in the race.

I do half my "running" (days) on the elliptical and do fine in races. For nearly the past three years I have run three times per week and hit the elliptical the other three days. I find it provides a decent surrogate without the impact. As a side benefit it gives me a great way to monitor and reinforce proper cadence.

Would I have benefited more from running six days a week? Possibly. Would the propensity for injury be greater? As I sit here sidelined at this moment, I have no doubts.

I stand corrected!

I just know that before I started training I could do 30+ minutes on the elliptical easy. The first time I tried running I got 5 minutes max before dying. You still have to do a fair amount of actual running to be a good runner, so that was the point I was trying to make.



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Subject: RE: Elliptical and Swim Goggle Questions
tkbslc - 2007-02-27 8:03 PM

I stand corrected!

I just know that before I started training I could do 30+ minutes on the elliptical easy. The first time I tried running I got 5 minutes max before dying. You still have to do a fair amount of actual running to be a good runner, so that was the point I was trying to make.

Like every other aspect of training, it's properly done with the principles of intensity and duration. If you  "could do 30+ minutes on the elliptical easy," then I would wager you had the resistance too low. When I'm on ET, I peg my cadence at 180, then adjust the resistance to maintain my HR in Zone 2. The cardio workout is the same as a run in Zone 2, the muscular movement is similar, only thing missing is the severity of the pushoff and the impact.

 



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