Lance's trouble continues

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I would not be suprised if Armstrong did threaten the Itailian. After reading one of his books I realized that he was so into himself that he would do anything to win. His competitive spirit is his worst enemy.

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I think it's just ridiculous that the Italian courts are even getting involved in this. First, to entertain a lawsuit based on someone calling someone else a liar. Second, to call it sporting fraud and witness intimidation because Lance didn't "let" him win. While it is tour tradition to not chase down breaks by non- GC contenders, Lance was under no obligation to do so.

On the other hand, I think this incident does reveal a lot abour Lance's character. While I love his competitiveness and his drive to win and to be the best, I think this move was childish. It was the kind of behavior that I see out of my 7 year old. I love to pull for Lance when he's racing. But, I think that sometimes his ego gets in his way.

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whatever we/i'd like to think... i'm sure there are plenty of other sides to the story that neither us nor the press knows about... so i'm not about to judge simioni or armstrong either way...

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What Bob Roll said abut the move by Armstrong was "The pelaton can't make you win the race, but they sure can make you lose the race, so don't make enemies in the pelaton". From what the media has reported, Simeoni doesn't make many friends amongst the riders. Lance is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty of intimidation, will a Major league pitcher get arrested for pitching high and inside?

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My only problem is this. Using the baseball example, this move was the equivalent of a pitcher pitching a batter high and tight with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth with a 10 run lead when the batter is a .100 hitter.

However, Simeoni showed how childish he could be by continually trying to break away during Sunday's final stage. he was just trying to disrupt USPS's celebration ride into Paris to get back at Lance. I guess it's easy for us to sit here after the fact and judge these riders. But who among us hasn't reacted to certain situations in the heat of the moment that when we looked back later we wish we could have it back.

I still think Lance is a great champion, a great embassador for the sport, and a true inspiration to a lot of cancer survivors.

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I JUST HOPE THE RUMORS AND ALL THE TALK ABOUT DOPING ARE NOT TRUE. IT WILL TOTALLY DESTROY THE MODERATE RESPECT I HAVE FOR LANCE.

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well said BigBoy.

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shotgunner99,

Lance Armstrong has never failed a drug test.
The French Judicial System investigated him thoroughly for many months, wanting to indict him of something, but came up empty handed. There was no evidence. They even had another lab re-test old samples for newer drugs and still no evidence of doping.

The "rumors" are, I think, coming from people who are ill-informed or who have a vendetta. ESPN did a nice smear job, cleverly blending the facts to cast a shadow over Lance. BUT, the facts remain. All associations of the to doping Postal Team occured before Lance joined the team. And, again, Lance never once, refused or failed a drug test.

I believe its a real disservice to all the training and endurance of pain he goes through to even discuss doping in a cavalier manner. Lets get informed first and make sure we're dealing with the facts.

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This is actually a pet peeve of mine.... that anyone expects pro athletes to be nice guys. They have to be aggressive, willful, to value their own success above others, etc. That doesn't exactly make for a nice guy! It does make for someone who will push their body to great lengths to succeed.

I admire Lance for what he has overcome and for his physical accomplishments. He's one of my favorite sports figures, but I'd never want to meet him because I'm 90% sure he's probably someone I wouldn't like. Let's let pro athletes be athletes and leave the being nice to grandmas, saints and such. ;-)

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I have a lot of admiration for Lance and it would really bother me to find out that he was in fact using drugs. All the suspicions and accusations about him doping really has me thinking...

Does the fact that he's never failed a drug test really make him clean? Like they say, you're innocent until proven guilty. If Lance really has been using drugs, can we really call it cheating if more than half the peloton is also doing it? Covering up drug use does seem to be a big part of the sport these days. So if you can beat the drug tests and win the races, perhaps that makes you even more of a champion.

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was going thru old threads seeing how times have changed and came across this thread from 2004...ha!

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jasonwb - 2013-01-30 7:04 PM

was going thru old threads seeing how times have changed and came across this thread from 2004...ha!

I don't know if anyone else here saw this past weekend's 60 Minutes interview with the USADA fellow. The samples from LA's comeback in '09 and '10...despite LA's strong denial...were positive. As the USADA explained, it is literally a million to one...not two to one or 10 to 1 odds...a million to one. Why did LA admit to the doping in the distant past? Simple. There's a 5 year statute of limitations.

The man did very, very bad things. He behaved incredibly unethically. I believe because of the good he did for LiveStrong, he is being given somewhat of a pass from the public in general. He's got no place in professional sports, period.

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ChineseDemocracy - 2013-01-30 4:28 PM

jasonwb - 2013-01-30 7:04 PM

was going thru old threads seeing how times have changed and came across this thread from 2004...ha!

I don't know if anyone else here saw this past weekend's 60 Minutes interview with the USADA fellow. The samples from LA's comeback in '09 and '10...despite LA's strong denial...were positive. As the USADA explained, it is literally a million to one...not two to one or 10 to 1 odds...a million to one. Why did LA admit to the doping in the distant past? Simple. There's a 5 year statute of limitations.

The man did very, very bad things. He behaved incredibly unethically. I believe because of the good he did for LiveStrong, he is being given somewhat of a pass from the public in general. He's got no place in professional sports, period.

I don't really know, but was it a "positive" test in 09 or 10? Or was it levels indicative of doping. I think he lied anyway and exactly so he couldn't be prosecuted. But, it is interesting to note that I don't think there's any evidence in the Reasoned Decision of actions in 09-10? If that's true (still reading it), wonder why that would be. Why would the other riders come clean and ignore the comeback?

Funny, I opened the thread and was reading posts as if they were today!

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ChrisM - 2013-01-30 7:35 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2013-01-30 4:28 PM

jasonwb - 2013-01-30 7:04 PM

was going thru old threads seeing how times have changed and came across this thread from 2004...ha!

I don't know if anyone else here saw this past weekend's 60 Minutes interview with the USADA fellow. The samples from LA's comeback in '09 and '10...despite LA's strong denial...were positive. As the USADA explained, it is literally a million to one...not two to one or 10 to 1 odds...a million to one. Why did LA admit to the doping in the distant past? Simple. There's a 5 year statute of limitations.

The man did very, very bad things. He behaved incredibly unethically. I believe because of the good he did for LiveStrong, he is being given somewhat of a pass from the public in general. He's got no place in professional sports, period.

I don't really know, but was it a "positive" test in 09 or 10? Or was it levels indicative of doping. I think he lied anyway and exactly so he couldn't be prosecuted. But, it is interesting to note that I don't think there's any evidence in the Reasoned Decision of actions in 09-10? If that's true (still reading it), wonder why that would be. Why would the other riders come clean and ignore the comeback?

Funny, I opened the thread and was reading posts as if they were today!

They were not positive test results. I don't remember how they said it in 60 Minutes but they were blood tests that showed anomalies that would occur naturally only 1 in a million times (or something like that).

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ChrisM - 2013-01-30 8:35 PM

I don't really know, but was it a "positive" test in 09 or 10? Or was it levels indicative of doping. I think he lied anyway and exactly so he couldn't be prosecuted. But, it is interesting to note that I don't think there's any evidence in the Reasoned Decision of actions in 09-10? If that's true (still reading it), wonder why that would be. Why would the other riders come clean and ignore the comeback?

IIRC there was info in the RD regarding 09-10 and that experts, who were part of the bio-passport review committee all said that his passport would have been flagged as indicative of doping. However, they were never presented with the passport as the UCI didn't forward the results and the numbers that Armstrong was posting on his website were slightly massaged. Beyond that, there were several emails between Ferrari and Armstrong during his comeback (and into triathlon) along with large payments to Ferrari.

Funny, I opened the thread and was reading posts as if they were today!

Me too - I was shocked at some of the posts until I checked the dates.

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ChrisM - 2013-01-30 7:35 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2013-01-30 4:28 PM

jasonwb - 2013-01-30 7:04 PM

was going thru old threads seeing how times have changed and came across this thread from 2004...ha!

I don't know if anyone else here saw this past weekend's 60 Minutes interview with the USADA fellow. The samples from LA's comeback in '09 and '10...despite LA's strong denial...were positive. As the USADA explained, it is literally a million to one...not two to one or 10 to 1 odds...a million to one. Why did LA admit to the doping in the distant past? Simple. There's a 5 year statute of limitations.

The man did very, very bad things. He behaved incredibly unethically. I believe because of the good he did for LiveStrong, he is being given somewhat of a pass from the public in general. He's got no place in professional sports, period.

I don't really know, but was it a "positive" test in 09 or 10? Or was it levels indicative of doping. I think he lied anyway and exactly so he couldn't be prosecuted. But, it is interesting to note that I don't think there's any evidence in the Reasoned Decision of actions in 09-10? If that's true (still reading it), wonder why that would be. Why would the other riders come clean and ignore the comeback?

Funny, I opened the thread and was reading posts as if they were today!

Chris, check this link out...when I watched it live, it moved me. You may find it interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGXhoK_XQAc

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"Results consistent with blood doping" are not a positive... it is anomalies that are flagged by the machine then reviewed by people then reviewed by more people and so many on a panel have to agree with the results.

I would have to research, but I also thought that his results were flagged, but there was some disagreement with the final agreement. Some yes, some no... but given the whole reasoned decision, it was also included as evidence.

At least I could buy his denial... only that it is how liars are... and he even admitted as much... that yeas he did 1000 terrible things, but not that one so he wins. It does not excuse the 1000, and lying to protect against current prosecution... well he did that hi whole career... so what's different now.

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