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2008-08-08 11:49 AM

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Subject: swimming in a group in open water
Can anybody lend any advice to swimming in a "mass" or around other people in an OWS race. I'm very comfortable in open water and can swim pretty long distances but every time i'm in a mass start or race i start to freak out and can't catch my breath.

any advise is greatly appreciated.

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2008-08-08 1:08 PM
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Honestly, I think you have to get a little meaner. In my first race I was way to polite. In my second race I bumped into quite a few people. You have to protect your space is the way I see it. If you can, swim with a buddy to get the sensation of of the contact. I won't take very long to get over that uneasy feeling.
2008-08-08 1:35 PM
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As Jeffy said, it doesn't hurt to "practice" the contact and go in with confidence. But me, I like the rugby match.

If you're a fairly competent swimmer, actually, considering starting toward the front, but at the outside edge. That way, you get less scrum, better vision, and can easily move in to hop on someone's feet to draft.

2008-08-08 2:30 PM
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I am doing my second tri this Sunday - I was planning on exactly what TriAya stated above - thanks for the reassurance.

 

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2008-08-08 5:34 PM
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jeffy_101 - 2008-08-08 2:08 PM Honestly, I think you have to get a little meaner. In my first race I was way to polite. In my second race I bumped into quite a few people. You have to protect your space is the way I see it. If you can, swim with a buddy to get the sensation of of the contact. I won't take very long to get over that uneasy feeling.

+2  :experience counts a lot for getting comfortable in that setting.  (the more you do it, the less you'll think about it)  Stay realtively aggressive and focus on your stroke from the get-go.

2008-08-08 6:11 PM
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Subject: RE: swimming in a group in open water
Thanks for the advice. I'm a little worried because my main race is in 2 weeks and i won't have much time to practice before then. i will have some OWS's but no mass starts or anything like that.



2008-08-08 8:13 PM
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Being mentally prepared for all the contact and setting your mind to ignore it and just keep swimming can be tough. We (well most people) are conditioned to react/apologize when we bump into someone. That doesn't work when you are starting the swim and dozens of people are making contact.

Set your mind to focus on moving forward and hold your ground. Find the path of least resistance if things get congested and just keep moving. Don't feel like you've got to start off like a bullet either, unless you are a speedster and can pull ahead of the crowd, churning at the start is probably going to be diminishing returns. Just relax and remember that it isn't personal and  things will spread out over the course of the race. 

2008-08-08 9:40 PM
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Expereince builds confidence.
Expereince tells you where to seed yoourself in the start based on your ability. To those who seed themselves woefully wrong, shame on them. Hold your ground and push forward. Don't worry about a little contact, it's all part of what we do.
We've all heard horror stories about excessive contact in races, but if you seed yourself right and hold your ground, expect to give and to receive a little contact, it will all be ok. Just expect the contact and it won't take you by suprise.
2008-08-08 9:42 PM
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Subject: RE: swimming in a group in open water
Last summer when I'd hit the swim beach with my friends, I did my open water practice out in the deeper water parallel to the shore. However, I would sometimes come in closer and have my friends set up a "gauntlet" for me to swim through. There were only 2-3 of them, but they made a good effort to splash and poke me as I swam by. It does make mass starts a little less disconcerting.
2008-08-09 6:01 AM
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I have my first OWS Tri in one week.  I too am somewhat concerned about swimming with 189 other people in my wave, all newbies.  I have been practicing with two other friends who swim all over me, on top, pull my feet, tickle my feet.  The first time out was horrible but now I am able to focus on just the swim and counting my strokes no matter who is tugging at me.  I know it will be different on the big day but I feel somewhat prepared.  Keeping relaxed and focus will be my challenge but I plan on starting in the back of the group and to the outside and hopefully I will find my way.  Good luck!

2008-08-09 6:59 AM
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Training is important....TRY THIS.

 



2008-08-09 9:06 AM
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I love the video.  Looks like fun...as long as you are still able to compete after you have finished "training."
2008-08-09 9:50 AM
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My first race is in a week and the only open water swimming I've done is solo (with a spotter) in Lake Michigan.  The only obstacles I ran in to were large boulders a few inches under the surface.  This reinforced making sure I always have a hand forward of my head (this has saved me a few head bonks).
2008-08-09 1:30 PM
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I have a training partner I frequently swim with. We're in our second year of tris and he still hates contact w/ others in the water. When we swim in the pool we share a lane and start our sets side by side for a little contact so he can get used to it. If you have a training partner who's willing, this is a good technique.
2008-08-09 6:39 PM
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FishrCutB8 - 2008-08-09 7:59 AM

Training is important....TRY THIS.

LOL ... man, that never gets old.

2008-08-09 6:48 PM
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A great resource is OPEN WATER SWIMMING: A Complete Guide for Distance Swimmers and Triathletes  by Penny Lee Dean. It is a comprehensive manual for open water swimming but it has more information than most people need. I've never found anything better. It was published in 1998 and at the time she held 13 Open Water Swimming World Records.


2008-08-09 7:18 PM
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I'm totally a newbie, but my swimming coach advised me to swim wide in my first oly tri w/ a big start.  She said the more aggressive swimmers would probably swim closer to the buoy line and by keeping to the left (in this particular race), I'd avoid a lot of the contact.  It worked well for me, and by about 1/3 into the swim, it had thinned out enough and I felt comfortable swimming closer. 

2008-08-10 8:54 AM
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I'm a relative newb too, but I quickly learned the value in starting as close to the outside of your wave as possible.  If you're nervous about the chaos of the start, having no one to one side can really help calm the nerves.  Also, I think it's better than starting in the back like a lot of people recommend, because you just may discover that you're a stronger swimmer than you thought, and being on the outside allows you to pass people with greater ease rather than picking your way though the masses.

 

2008-08-10 11:42 AM
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Subject: RE: swimming in a group in open water
In our OWS swims we'll do everything from grabbing legs and feet, bumping into each other, even literally swimming over each other. Over time you'll get comfortable swimming close to others, and then you can work on drafting off others.

Later year at IMC I was swimming alongside three others when a swimmer crossed right in front of us going perpendicular to the course. You never what direction some may be going. Out and back courses are fun. Then you also have to avoid colliding with an another swimmer.
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