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2008-08-04 8:11 AM

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Subject: Is it normal to have doubts?
Entering week 12 of a 24 week plan and came off a 3:45 bike ride. The last half hour was awful and I'm having doubts about staying on that bike for another 2 hours or so. And then doing a marathon.

Never been nervous about finishing before.

Does it get better? Do you feel confident going into your first IM?


2008-08-04 8:56 AM
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Wow! Welcome to the club! Read my last comment on the IMFL Sanity Check thread this morning! Hope we get some words of encouragement!
2008-08-04 9:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Is it normal to have doubts?

I joke that I only have doubts about the swim/bike/run and transitions. Other than that I'm golden.. I think having doubts about anything new that you are doing, that pushes yourself is a good thing. It could be doubts that you are gonig to be a sub ____ or make the cut offs and finish times.. Use it as motivation.
I alternate between being nervous for each one and my nutrition. but I haven't been nervous about all of them at once. Throught the course of the day I'll go from being incredible confident, to wondering what makes me think I can actually do this.

I'm at the point when I look back at my training I do realize there are things I could have done better. [stretch more] But for where I am fitness wise, and what is going on in my life I'm proud of the effort I've put forth and what ever happens.. happens.

2008-08-04 9:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Is it normal to have doubts?

Part of the appeal of doing an IM is to challenge yourself and see if you can do it.

I had lots of doubts. In my head I thought I could do it based on my paces. It wasn't until one week in May my training showed me I could do the distances as I had a 3500 yd swim and a 19+ mile run and had done a 100 mile ride. It was a huge difference to feel confident in my ability to do the distance within the time cut off vs thinking I should be able to do it.

Still before the race my mind came up with 100s of things that could happen that would prevent me from finishing..really strange things too. It is part of the appeal the challenge of it the cut offs.

I came to a point where I knew I had done all I could do training wise and the best thing for me to do was change my mental outlook to be positive and have self confidence as doubting myself and worrying would not be ideal come race day. I worked on mental exercises that my coach put together that those and tapering helped me feel as prepared as I could be.

As my friend Sue says training is harder than racing and I found that to be true. Do the training and come race day it will come together. Focus on nutrition/hydration and mental toughness while doing long training as those are keys to having a strong Ironman race.

It is a magical place Ironman..enjoy your journey to your first.  

2008-08-04 9:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Is it normal to have doubts?
Of course! If you read through my training log for the past 8 months... you will see the emotional rollercoaster IM training puts you through.

And when you have a bad day on the swim, bike or run... that's huge blow to the confidence. Keep training and you will have another good day and you will be positive again.

Shoot, just yesterday, I got off a 40 mile bike and I was dizzy and completely out of it. I was seeing spots and felt like I could have just laid down for a long time. Hhhuummm... and I have to ride another 72 miles in the heat I was in yesterday... in Kentucky... AND I have to run a marathon? I could barely walk yesterday.

But maybe I'll have a good ride this week and that will all be washed away.

Hang in there. It's a roller coaster!
2008-08-04 10:04 AM
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I'm right there with you. As IMWI creeps ever closer I think of even more things to worry/obsess over. Some days I feel great....I CAN DO THIS, other days...WHAT THE @#$! WAS I THINKING WHEN I SIGNED UP FOR THIS. Mentally, the toughest part for me is the swim (of course). I had a huge panic attack in the water at my HIM and I'm trying to regain my confidence in that area.
Doing a few 100+ mile rides really helped my confidence in the bike. I know I can go the distance and feel good.


2008-08-04 11:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Is it normal to have doubts?
Same boat with you plus I also DNF last year at IMAZ(medical after mie 83 on the bike) so I have those lingering thoughts in my head. Friday had a great 3300 yard swim and then went to run in the heat of the day and my 1:15 run was only 40 minutes and I was hurting bad. Saturday was suppose to do a 4 hour brick and only did 2:51 minute ride. But then yesterday did a 1:20 LSD run and if it was not for the massive amounts of food eaten at a party it went very well but I like what kathy said just stick withthe training cause it is lots harder!
2008-08-04 11:53 AM
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Absolutely. I think no matter how trained you are for a IM, or any race for that matter... you have a lingering doubt about being able to go further, and string it all together. My goal with my first IM was to make it to the start line knowing I did what I could to make it there prepared to take on the distance. Anything that happened after that, well, that you have to leave up to fate, but going in properly prepared is all you can control.

So keep plucking away at those miles!!! Some days you will feel like YES, I can do this, and some days you will feel anything but that. Its normal, and all part of the ride

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2008-08-04 12:37 PM
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I think we all have doubts until we cross that finish line! The training is definitely filled with high and low moments. Surviving them all some how will get us to that goal.
2008-08-04 2:05 PM
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When I was at the same point in my training schedule as you, doubts were just about all I had. How was I ever going to do a 100 mile ride? Why was I so dumb to sign up for an IM without first doing a marathon? Couldn't I have picked a better place to race than Kentucky in August?

Now I am 4 weeks out from IMLou and I have adopted the following mantra for every question, thought, or consideration:

I WILL CRUSH IMLou.

That's it. I have done enough battle with my inner demons, and I won. There is no other alternative at this point but TO CRUSH IMLou, so that's exactly what I will do on 8/31.

It took a great deal of time (and effort) to get mentally where I needed to be. I've sat on my bike so many hours that it doesn't like me anymore. We hardly ever even speak. But that's okay, we'll make up later ....... perhaps after I CRUSH IMLou.

I know what CRUSHING my IM means for me. Now you need to figure out what it means for you, and then go DO IT. I don't know who said it, but I have a quotation taped to my mirror in my bathroom that says, "If you're going through hell, keep going. It doesn't get any easier, you just get faster." To me, that means keep plugging away working your tail off, and it will happen.
2008-08-04 2:35 PM
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Perfectly natural...keep in mind its not anyone day (good or bad) that defines you being prepared in 12 more weeks.    Keep after it, stay consistent, nail your nutrition and you will have no problems come race day.    Expect at some point in the race just like on your ride you will have moments where it sucks, but these points pass.   

You are gonna have a great IM!!!



2008-08-05 7:50 AM
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RememberOtto - 2008-08-04 3:05 PM

When I was at the same point in my training schedule as you, doubts were just about all I had. How was I ever going to do a 100 mile ride? Why was I so dumb to sign up for an IM without first doing a marathon? Couldn't I have picked a better place to race than Kentucky in August?

Now I am 4 weeks out from IMLou and I have adopted the following mantra for every question, thought, or consideration:

I WILL CRUSH IMLou.

That's it. I have done enough battle with my inner demons, and I won. There is no other alternative at this point but TO CRUSH IMLou, so that's exactly what I will do on 8/31.


  • Hmmm. Maybe that's my problem. I've never been strong on the bike so it is generally an exercise in surviving the ride so that I can run and catch the people who passed me during the ride.

    I wonder how much confidence plays in something like this. I imagine at some point, confidence is the only thing you have left to move you forward.
    2008-08-05 8:39 AM
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    I think the reason I took on the IM was that I did have doubts. Riding with a buddy Patrick he quoted a BTer saying that the bike and swim only get you to the start of the race. I keep having Demonds pop up because I have never completed a marathon. Now ................. I will CRUSH the RUN ....... at IMLOU

    Thanks .....greg

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    fatmouse - 2008-08-04 9:11 AM Does it get better? Do you feel confident going into your first IM?

    Yes.

    Yes, if you have followed your plan as outlined.

    2008-08-05 4:09 PM
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    I think as long as you have done the training you'll be amazed at how fast the marathon goes by. The fans at the race are an adrenaline rush!

    The one thing that many people forget about when doing their long rides and feeling tired or concerned about the Ironman race is this: You are not rested or tapered yet! You're doing these rides in the peak training weeks and your body is worn down. You'll be amazed at how rested you'll feel after a good taper.

    It's a good thing to be nervous, it shows that you have a lot of respect for the distance of the race.  Taper well and don't get too stressed out!

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    Remember how nervous you were before your first sprint?  I did my first sprint 10 years ago and don't really remember being nervous but I'm guessing I was nervous as it was new territory for me.

    I am a lot less nervous about my second IM than I was for my first.  I'm still concerned but no really nervous.  The "pressure" (self imposed) to 'finish' is not there this year.  And I'm guessing I'll be even less nervous about my 3rd and subsequent ironman races.  Uh...as long as I do the training.

    More specific to your question though....last year the first time I ever biked 75 miles in my life my guads and glutes locked up and I literally fell over like a wooden soldier on the side of the road unable to bend my legs.   Part of that was dehydration but part of it was just teaching my body that it could go further than it thought it could.

    ~Mike



    2008-08-06 7:59 AM
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    Great advice in this thread. I feel it bears repeating however - YOU'RE ONLY HALF WAY THROUGH YOUR PLAN. In 3 months, you will *LAUGH* at the thought of your 3:45 bike ride being miserable.
    2008-08-06 11:19 AM
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    rstocks3 - 2008-08-05 4:09 PM

    I think as long as you have done the training you'll be amazed at how fast the marathon goes by. The fans at the race are an adrenaline rush!

    The one thing that many people forget about when doing their long rides and feeling tired or concerned about the Ironman race is this: You are not rested or tapered yet! You're doing these rides in the peak training weeks and your body is worn down. You'll be amazed at how rested you'll feel after a good taper.

    It's a good thing to be nervous, it shows that you have a lot of respect for the distance of the race.  Taper well and don't get too stressed out!

    X2 on the taper and rested comment.  You'll be amazed at how much better you feel come race day.  I had an absoulte horrible last long ride leading into LP about 3 weeks out from the race.  I bonked big time, cramped pretty badly, and all I could think about after I got off the bike was, wow, now I have to run a marathon.  But that ride also right at the end of my absolute peak training week.  Hopefully you won't be doing 12-15 hrs of training in the week before your race. 

    Nervousness is good, keeps you from getting over-confident.  Trust your training   

    2008-08-06 12:23 PM
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    That tapering thing has been coming up a lot. Ironically, this is a recovery week and I already feel better.

    I was thinking back to a few years ago when anything longer than a 20 minute run or 45 minute bike ride were pushing it. Or 2 years ago when a 1:45 bike ride wore me down. It's amazing how a 60 minute ride or 5 mile run or 1,600 yard swim are now easy recovery days.
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    2008-08-07 10:17 AM
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    Good line there about not speaking to the bike. It looks like she and I have made it through this particular rough patch. A little rest and recovery and we are talking again. In fact, we just turned in our fastest loop ever on our home course even though we were practicing hills and not going for overall speed.

    I'm going to reward her with a new tire.


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