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2009-08-16 9:55 PM

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I a 5k today. I haven't done a 5k in 1.5 years! WHENEVER I do a 5k/10k, I start off too fast and crash and burn. I walked in a 5k race. I'm a little discouraged about this. I PR'd in the mile today, but would MUCH rather have gone out slower and ended faster rather than having to walk. Anyone else rather run a half/full marathon than a shorter race?


2009-08-16 10:02 PM
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I would rather do a longer race any day than a shorter run.  I don't seemed to get warmed up until about 3 miles into the race.  When I did a half marathon  my last half of the marathon was faster than the first half.
2009-08-16 10:03 PM
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well, i always go longer because going shorter reminds me i'm no longer speedy.  way back oh about 14 years ago, i could run a sub 20-minute 5K.  those days are long gone and doing 5Ks now remind me of that.  so instead i just go long and i'm ok with being slow.  
2009-08-16 10:08 PM
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nope, shorter for me, 5k is a perfect distance, as are sprint tris. i do go longer some, but deff prefer the shorter stuff
2009-08-16 11:09 PM
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Not me...I'm usually a threat to bring home AG hardware in a local 5K (and have finished as high as 5th O/A out of well over 200).  I'm an okay marathoner, but have never--and probably won't ever--come within shouting distance of a medal.
2009-08-16 11:24 PM
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depends on my mindset.. i'll put myself in the right frame of mind for the race, I enjoy 5k/10ks, although i'm not mr. speedy.. I normally run a negative split anyway.. for 5ks i'll run a 1/2 mile warmup to help.. for 1/2s and full marathon's i'm just out for a nice long run with a bunch of other crazy people.. 

i enjoy both i guess.


2009-08-16 11:43 PM
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Strangely enough I would rather run a mile race than a marathon but when faced with any spread of racing options would take an IM anyday, even if I'm not in shape. It's just something about them...learning something new about yourself, going on a few adventure...seeing a parts of the world that you haven't yet (assuming it's a new race venue), and sharing this with all of the other athletes out there...

I think there is something magic that longer races have that the shorter races don't - more of an experience than just a race. Although I'm not downplaying the shorter races because they have their appeal as well, of course But I'm with you on the longer (the triathlon), the better!
2009-08-16 11:50 PM
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Not sure yet....still getting to know the different distances.  As a swimmer and sorta runner in a past life I always preferred mid-distances.  I suspect that will be the same for me now.  I did my first 5k this weekend and crashed a little about halfway through due to speeding up too much in mile 2.  Don't feel bad about the walking. I did walk a couple of times but I don't consider that a failure.  I am sort of pro-walk breaks per the Jeff Galloway method as a means of injury prevention and keeping yourself charged.

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2009-08-17 12:28 AM
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Having a back ground as a sprinter in both running and swimming and still loaded with a preponderance of fast twitch cells I much prefer the 5k.  In fact, I have never ran farther than 10k in my life.  I don't suppose I will ever do an HIM.   I will do an Olympic distance one day, but that will be it. I just don't have the body to go much beyond.  I can live with that.    Funny thing is, though, I can go all day on the bike.  Go figure.
2009-08-17 1:09 AM
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Its a different type of pain. They both have a certain attraction to me and I have done a lot of shorter stuff as training for my more recent HIM training. I would like to do better at the shorter races but most of my training is longer and slower with an emphasis on injury prevention. To really improve at the shorter distances I would need to do more intervals and tempo work which is a recipe for strains and pulls. I guess at this point I prefer the longer stuff because that makes the most sense for me but as I work through all my injuries I hope to put a little speed back.


2009-08-17 6:32 AM
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I would go for the longer stuff any day....short races HURT!!!  And that is just my lack of fast twitch talking.
2009-08-17 7:00 AM
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Long any day!!
2009-08-17 7:02 AM
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Nope. I race Sprints now, and back in the day, I was better at track than cross-country. I'll do some long runs/races, but I'd rather go short, hard, and fast.
2009-08-17 7:04 AM
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Fast-twitch sprinter here.  I was middle of the pack in my half-marathon, but win my AG or place overall in the 5K distance most of the time.  Also love running the mile.  I'm 31 though so I'm sure I'll be moving on to longer distances soon.
2009-08-17 7:15 AM
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In high school, I was all about the sprints, and would not run more than 400m.  These days, I would much rather go long.  I want to have time to enjoy the event, and I want to get the most for my registration fee


2009-08-17 8:48 AM
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To those saying they are "fast-twitch" dominant and are better at 5k and such?????

Fast twitch dominant means you would be good at 100 to 400 meter efforts, and NOT 1 mile to 5k efforts.  Anything over 800 is considered an endurance event and is slow twitch fiber dominant.  So unless you have had metabolic testing done to determine what your typical muscle fibers consist of, don't even bother using the terms as all you will probably do is confuse people as it shows that someone does not really have a full grasp of what the terms mean.

The difference between longer distance and shorter distance ENDURANCE racing is a completely different mentality.  To race well in the shorter distances you need to be able to puch and hold your effort in a very uncomfortable zone.  To do well in longer distances you need to be able to maintain a consistent pace (albeit at a lower effort) for much longer - which is just as mentally taxing, just in a different manner.

Take a look at the good distance runners and triathletes.  Specifically look at their SHORTER endurance distance times.  The best long distance athletes are ..... wait for it ...... also some of the best short distance endurance athletes.  Mark Allen won the international distance championships and the long course championships in the same year.  Crowie and Macca did very well in ITU events and still won the IMWC.

The measure of how good a long distance athlete is going to be highly determined by how good of a SHORT distance athlete that you are.  We see examples of that all the time, even on BT.

Oh ....... and I'm back!!

2009-08-17 9:15 AM
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I'm not much of a runner. It takes me 30mins just to warm up, so anything longer - an hour to two hours - is my sweet spot.

2009-08-17 9:30 AM
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I've gone long (IM) and I've gone short.  

Oly distance is the sweet spot for me.  A good mix of fast and course length.  IM training just gets much to boring for me.  When you are focusing on shorter distances I feel you get to mix things up a little more in your training to build up speed.  Not to say I wont do another IM.  I am crazy after-all!
2009-08-17 9:34 AM
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Poor excution of shorter races is typically the problem.
2009-08-17 9:51 AM
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smilford - 2009-08-17 9:34 AM

Poor excution of shorter races is typically the problem.


true... it's also the fact that I'd rather pay $50 for a 1/2 marathon than $25-30 for a 5k or $125 for a 1/2 Ironman rather than a $80 sprint, haha!

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Daremo - 2009-08-17 8:48 AM

To those saying they are "fast-twitch" dominant and are better at 5k and such?????

Fast twitch dominant means you would be good at 100 to 400 meter efforts, and NOT 1 mile to 5k efforts.  Anything over 800 is considered an endurance event and is slow twitch fiber dominant.  So unless you have had metabolic testing done to determine what your typical muscle fibers consist of, don't even bother using the terms as all you will probably do is confuse people as it shows that someone does not really have a full grasp of what the terms mean.

The difference between longer distance and shorter distance ENDURANCE racing is a completely different mentality.  To race well in the shorter distances you need to be able to puch and hold your effort in a very uncomfortable zone.  To do well in longer distances you need to be able to maintain a consistent pace (albeit at a lower effort) for much longer - which is just as mentally taxing, just in a different manner.

Take a look at the good distance runners and triathletes.  Specifically look at their SHORTER endurance distance times.  The best long distance athletes are ..... wait for it ...... also some of the best short distance endurance athletes.  Mark Allen won the international distance championships and the long course championships in the same year.  Crowie and Macca did very well in ITU events and still won the IMWC.

The measure of how good a long distance athlete is going to be highly determined by how good of a SHORT distance athlete that you are.  We see examples of that all the time, even on BT.

Oh ....... and I'm back!!




I have had the biopsy done to determine what I have.  (painful procedure by the way).

Given the choice of short long over long long I will go the short every time.   Sprinting is still easy for me.  It's required for what I do as a college soccer referee.  I still can, if not outright out sprint most of the players, I can certainly keep up with them.    I still can do 100m in under 12 seconds. THat's at 51 years old.   I can run a mile right at 5 minutes.    I might can do two at that pace.   I will never string three 5 minutes miles back to back.   My 5k times currently are only 8 minute/mile pace.   For a 10k race I am ecstatic when I do it in under an hour.   

I keep trying, though.  That's what it is all about for me.   It keeps me young, and that's how I intend to be until I finally check out and see what comes next.
 

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