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 2009-08-31 5:28 AM |
Extreme Veteran  608   Iceland |  Subject: Spitting during a raceHi everyone, we had a situation come up on one of the bike races here in my country yesterday and I would like some opinion and some advise how things like that are handled in other countries and if there are penalties for things like that. Also it would be interesting to know how you would have reacted. The situation was this: It was the national championship in roadbiking and the women did a 64K route. The 2 first women pretty much stuck together and drafted of each other until 50K when the leader started to get a little faster and it got harder fo the 2nd woman to keep up but she tried as hard as she could and was succesful for a little while longer. At that point the leader had enough and tried different methods to get rid of her, one of them was SPITTING on her. On the 3rd try she succeeded and managed to spit her right into the face. After that the 2nd woman slowed down to stay behind and when she reached the finish she stepped of the bike right before the finish line and pushed her bike over by hand (to get a DNF) because she did not want to stand on the podium together with the spitter... This incident brought up quite a discussion around here. I live in a small country and these are very small races (total of 4 women were competing and about 20men) and sometimes you get the feeling that there are no rules. The incident was even videotaped by someone so there is proof. But of course the spitter won and got the tital of National Champion. I am just wondering if there are some general rules about things like this or is spitting just simply allowed? And how would you have reacted?
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| 2009-08-31 6:04 AM in reply to: #2379745 |
New user 476 | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race What was the events rule about drafting? If what rider two was doing was illegal, then I guess rider two got what she deserved, right or wrong. If drafting is legal for the event... Rider 1 could easily have assault charges pressed against her if rider 2 wanted to. Edited by JC5066 2009-08-31 6:07 AM |
| 2009-08-31 6:34 AM in reply to: #2379764 |
Extreme Veteran 608 Iceland | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race JC5066 - 2009-08-31 11:04 AM What was the events rule about drafting? If what rider two was doing was illegal, then I guess rider two got what she deserved, right or wrong. If drafting is legal for the event... Rider 1 could easily have assault charges pressed against her if rider 2 wanted to.
Drafting was legal (it´s legal in all roadbike races here except for TTs)
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| 2009-08-31 6:40 AM in reply to: #2379745 |
| New user 476 | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race If it's legal, then it's completely uncalled for. Are there any rules about interfering, assault, etc... At this point and with the actions of rider #2 at the finish there isn't much that can be done. If rider 1 didn't them to draft, rider 1 should have drafted #2 and saved a bit for the end instead of carrying the other rider. It sounds as if there might be more to the story. |
| 2009-08-31 8:46 AM in reply to: #2379797 |
Extreme Veteran 608 Iceland | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race JC5066 - 2009-08-31 11:40 AM If it's legal, then it's completely uncalled for. Are there any rules about interfering, assault, etc... At this point and with the actions of rider #2 at the finish there isn't much that can be done. If rider 1 didn't them to draft, rider 1 should have drafted #2 and saved a bit for the end instead of carrying the other rider. It sounds as if there might be more to the story. I know there is nothing to be done now. I just wanted to know if things like this are typically punished in bigger, better organised races or if there are no rules about this at all. No matter if there is more to the story or not, in my opinion nobody should spit at someone else.... |
| 2009-08-31 9:01 AM in reply to: #2379745 |
Extreme Veteran 453 Long Island, NY | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Isn't there usually something in most race rules about "unsportsman like conduct"? I would say this would qualify as unsportsman like to say the least and if witnessed by a race official, should have been addressed. |
| 2009-08-31 9:34 AM in reply to: #2379974 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Joblin - 2009-08-31 9:46 AM JC5066 - 2009-08-31 11:40 AM If it's legal, then it's completely uncalled for. Are there any rules about interfering, assault, etc... At this point and with the actions of rider #2 at the finish there isn't much that can be done. If rider 1 didn't them to draft, rider 1 should have drafted #2 and saved a bit for the end instead of carrying the other rider. It sounds as if there might be more to the story. I know there is nothing to be done now. I just wanted to know if things like this are typically punished in bigger, better organised races or if there are no rules about this at all. No matter if there is more to the story or not, in my opinion nobody should spit at someone else.... I would have taken the low road and gone Tonya Harding on her a$$. You are correct that spitting or anything other than racing is uncalled for. How rediculous. The race officials should have DQ'd her and the 2nd place girl shouldn't have DQ'd herself. |
| 2009-08-31 9:53 AM in reply to: #2380104 |
Pro 4054 yep, | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Pector55 - 2009-08-31 10:34 AM Joblin - 2009-08-31 9:46 AM JC5066 - 2009-08-31 11:40 AM If it's legal, then it's completely uncalled for. Are there any rules about interfering, assault, etc... At this point and with the actions of rider #2 at the finish there isn't much that can be done. If rider 1 didn't them to draft, rider 1 should have drafted #2 and saved a bit for the end instead of carrying the other rider. It sounds as if there might be more to the story. I know there is nothing to be done now. I just wanted to know if things like this are typically punished in bigger, better organised races or if there are no rules about this at all. No matter if there is more to the story or not, in my opinion nobody should spit at someone else.... I would have taken the low road and gone Tonya Harding on her a$$. I laugh everytime I see this video.
But anyways I would say yes..I would DQ her. |
| 2009-08-31 10:39 AM in reply to: #2379745 |
| Subject: RE: Spitting during a race I am a very patient person, and I feel like integrity is as important as anything else... For me, one spit says, it was a mistake and I had bad luck, 2 spits and Im thinking about if it's worth a retaliation or not and 3 spits, with it landing on the face and we are both going down and somethign on that other persons body or bicycle (or both) is getting broken. That said, with everything else occuring being legal... the person who spits to prevent from being passed is a $hit bag. If you can't with with your abilities, and you have to pull something like that... go ahead and cross the line first... I would have done the same thing as biker #2. I wound not even want to be on the same podium as that person. I would lose the race, but know why... and it would not bother me at night. |
| 2009-08-31 10:57 AM in reply to: #2379745 |
Extreme Veteran 657 | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race She could have always done the pump in the spokes like in the movie Breaking Away. C02 cartridges don't work as well. Everytime I load a new copy of Flash I try to do a practice file to make sure it's working. Here's my version of Breaking Away, the game. You have to click on the flash screen near the bottom. You use the left and right arrow to tilt the pump and the up arrow to fire the pump. Good practice for the next race. Breaking away |
| 2009-08-31 12:34 PM in reply to: #2380349 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race NeilsWheel - 2009-08-30 11:57 AM She could have always done the pump in the spokes like in the movie Breaking Away. C02 cartridges don't work as well. Everytime I load a new copy of Flash I try to do a practice file to make sure it's working. Here's my version of Breaking Away, the game. You have to click on the flash screen near the bottom. You use the left and right arrow to tilt the pump and the up arrow to fire the pump. Good practice for the next race. Breaking away That's awesome. Cinzano! |
| 2009-08-31 12:36 PM in reply to: #2380306 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race chandy14ski - 2009-08-31 11:39 AM I am a very patient person, and I feel like integrity is as important as anything else... For me, one spit says, it was a mistake and I had bad luck, 2 spits and Im thinking about if it's worth a retaliation or not and 3 spits, with it landing on the face and we are both going down and somethign on that other persons body or bicycle (or both) is getting broken. Wasn't the "3 spits your out" something Clinton signed into law? It wouldn't apply in this situation because it didn't happen in the U.S. |
| 2009-08-31 12:46 PM in reply to: #2380306 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race chandy14ski - 2009-08-31 8:39 AM I am a very patient person, and I feel like integrity is as important as anything else... For me, one spit says, it was a mistake and I had bad luck, 2 spits and Im thinking about if it's worth a retaliation or not and 3 spits, with it landing on the face and we are both going down and somethign on that other persons body or bicycle (or both) is getting broken. That said, with everything else occuring being legal... the person who spits to prevent from being passed is a $hit bag. If you can't with with your abilities, and you have to pull something like that... go ahead and cross the line first... I would have done the same thing as biker #2. I wound not even want to be on the same podium as that person. I would lose the race, but know why... and it would not bother me at night. Really? You're gonna break bones because you got spat on a few times in a race? Guess who gets to go to jail in that case? As far as DNF'ing because you didn't want to share the podium, that's just dumb. Noble, but dumb. You don't get that many shots at the brass ring, and a second place medal in a National championship is huge. I'd finish, take the second place medal, and then file complaints with the UCI and the local governing bodies. John |
| 2009-08-31 12:53 PM in reply to: #2379745 |
Master 1848 Canandaigua | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Spitting is assult or battery I forget which one. Attempted murder it you have disease. Spit at a cop and see what happens. Ref should have DQ'ed her. |
| 2009-08-31 12:58 PM in reply to: #2380620 |
Member 94 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Pector55 - 2009-08-31 12:36 PM chandy14ski - 2009-08-31 11:39 AM I am a very patient person, and I feel like integrity is as important as anything else... For me, one spit says, it was a mistake and I had bad luck, 2 spits and Im thinking about if it's worth a retaliation or not and 3 spits, with it landing on the face and we are both going down and somethign on that other persons body or bicycle (or both) is getting broken. Wasn't the "3 spits your out" something Clinton signed into law? It wouldn't apply in this situation because it didn't happen in the U.S. HAHAHAHAHA...that's good. |
| 2009-08-31 1:00 PM in reply to: #2379745 |
Expert 1690 | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race maybe my temper gets the best of my at times but i would have crashed into her and then spit back. Then after throwing said persons bike into a nearby wooded area i would finish the race. |
| 2009-08-31 1:25 PM in reply to: #2380659 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race dexter - 2009-08-31 10:53 AM Spitting is assult or battery I forget which one. Attempted murder it you have disease. Spit at a cop and see what happens. Ref should have DQ'ed her. Sigh... Assault is the verbal component, i.e. "I'm gonna kick your azz!!!" Battery is the physical component, the actual kicking of the azz. You can have one without the other. For attempted murder you'd have to prove the malice and intent to kill. Spitting AT a cop won't result in anything. Spitting ON a cop is a different matter. John |
| 2009-08-31 1:28 PM in reply to: #2379974 |
| Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Joblin - 2009-08-31 6:46 AM JC5066 - 2009-08-31 11:40 AM If it's legal, then it's completely uncalled for. Are there any rules about interfering, assault, etc... At this point and with the actions of rider #2 at the finish there isn't much that can be done. If rider 1 didn't them to draft, rider 1 should have drafted #2 and saved a bit for the end instead of carrying the other rider. It sounds as if there might be more to the story. I know there is nothing to be done now. I just wanted to know if things like this are typically punished in bigger, better organised races or if there are no rules about this at all. No matter if there is more to the story or not, in my opinion nobody should spit at someone else.... Agreed. |
| 2009-08-31 1:32 PM in reply to: #2380646 |
| Subject: RE: Spitting during a race tkd.teacher - 2009-08-31 1:46 PM chandy14ski - 2009-08-31 8:39 AM I am a very patient person, and I feel like integrity is as important as anything else... For me, one spit says, it was a mistake and I had bad luck, 2 spits and Im thinking about if it's worth a retaliation or not and 3 spits, with it landing on the face and we are both going down and somethign on that other persons body or bicycle (or both) is getting broken. That said, with everything else occuring being legal... the person who spits to prevent from being passed is a $hit bag. If you can't with with your abilities, and you have to pull something like that... go ahead and cross the line first... I would have done the same thing as biker #2. I wound not even want to be on the same podium as that person. I would lose the race, but know why... and it would not bother me at night. Really? You're gonna break bones because you got spat on a few times in a race? Guess who gets to go to jail in that case? As far as DNF'ing because you didn't want to share the podium, that's just dumb. Noble, but dumb. You don't get that many shots at the brass ring, and a second place medal in a National championship is huge. I'd finish, take the second place medal, and then file complaints with the UCI and the local governing bodies. John When you are racing for a national championship and you are 2nd out of 4 overall... Im pretty sure you ll get another shot. Yes, I would get upset and strike someone who thrice spit in my face. I would also damage their bike, because I feel that is more hurtful, knowing how much people (myself included) love their bikes. It's not the right thing to do, it's not sportsmanlike and it is nothing to show your kids when teaching about role models. I would not teach my kid, or any of the kids I coach to do that, but I would not come down on them if they did. I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with it, it is what I would do. Maybe I have a temper... maybe I have no self dicipline... so be it... it is what it is. The good news is, I can't imagine there are many people willing to spit in your face 3 times to be the first person out of 4 competing in a national championship race, so for the time being, I'll stay out of jail. |
| 2009-08-31 1:56 PM in reply to: #2380784 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race chandy14ski - 2009-08-31 11:32 AM Yes, I would get upset and strike someone who thrice spit in my face. I would also damage their bike, because I feel that is more hurtful, knowing how much people (myself included) love their bikes. It's not the right thing to do, it's not sportsmanlike and it is nothing to show your kids when teaching about role models. I would not teach my kid, or any of the kids I coach to do that, but I would not come down on them if they did. I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with it, it is what I would do. Maybe I have a temper... maybe I have no self dicipline... so be it... it is what it is. The good news is, I can't imagine there are many people willing to spit in your face 3 times to be the first person out of 4 competing in a national championship race, so for the time being, I'll stay out of jail. The irony... And then we wonder where all these "bad boy" athletes come from. Everyone just "does what their gonna do", and nobody cares what anyone else thinks. Then we all sit around and whine about poor sportsmanship, egos and bad attitudes in sports. John |
| 2009-08-31 3:28 PM in reply to: #2380846 |
| Subject: RE: Spitting during a race I have competed in one sprint so far ( a charity event) and I will do one more this year. I do not plan on ever racing where I get so competative that I spit to prevent someone from beating me. I could care less about where I place, I could care less about who thinks it is an acomplishment, if I have won a personal victory or if Im really a loser, if I have the right form, if my breathing is in tempo with my run or whatever. I dont care if Im walking down the street... someone spits in your face 3 times, it's on. F the DQ, and the governing body... If someone spits in your face while walking to the grocery store, are you going to write a letter to your governor and ask that a formal letter of appology be drafted by the offender? How about if someone spits in your wife/ girlfriend/ shild's face... do you write an "urgent letter".... cummon... Seriously, it's just my opinion of what I would do in that situation. You don't have to agree with me, nor do you need to use me as representation for the greater populus of "bad boys". Im not a bad boy, and I would typically give someone the shirt off my back.... unless they spit in my face first. Don't focus on me so much, and address the OP... I hijacked this and I appologize. |
| 2009-08-31 4:06 PM in reply to: #2379745 |
Extreme Veteran 608 Iceland | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Thanks for all your answers, I really appreciate it. The very sad thing is, that the woman who won the race does not get the fact that she did something wrong.... she keeps running around, telling everyone what a great race she had and how she "crushed" the competition....well I guess she is somehow right about that....
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| 2009-08-31 10:38 PM in reply to: #2381173 |
| Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: Spitting during a race Get the video posted on YouTube, then come back here and post the link. |
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