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2009-07-21 11:49 AM

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Man, watching those guys ride the hills faster than I go on flats sort of gets me motivated to go out and work my butt off on hills.


2009-07-21 1:17 PM
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MikesGonnaTri - 2009-07-21 9:49 AM Man, watching those guys ride the hills faster than I go on flats sort of gets me motivated to go out and work my butt off on hills.


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2009-07-21 1:18 PM
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Or in my case lose another 30 {50} pounds
2009-07-21 1:22 PM
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great thing about living in the cascades is there is not much flat land to ride on, then again that might end up to be a bad thing...
2009-07-21 1:44 PM
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cooutdoors - 2009-07-21 1:18 PM Or in my case lose another 30 {50} pounds


ditto


edit.. I meant me.. not you    I  didnt' realize until I actually saw it that people might think I wasn't talking about myself..

sorry

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2009-07-21 6:32 PM
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As far as I can tell the TdF cyclists aren't human.


2009-07-21 8:06 PM
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I want to know how the hell they can climb out of the saddle for so long (dancing on the pedals as Phil Liggett says).  My legs are on fire after a few minutes of climbing out of the saddle.

BTW, how many of you do this during a tri when climbing hills?  Does it help, hurt?  Sometimes during a race, I'll get out of the saddle on a hill because I feel like I might fall over if I stay seated.

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2009-07-21 8:15 PM
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Today's Stage 16 had two climbs:

Col du Grand Saint Bernard (HC)
25.11 miles / 6318' climbing 4.8% average grade.

Col du Petit Saint Bernard (1)
19.22 miles / 5108' climbing 5.0% average grade.

Total: 98.58 miles / 11,426' climbing.

Winner: Mikel Astarloza 4:14:20 (23.26 mph)
Lance Armstrong & Alberto Contador: 4:15:19 (23.17 mph)
2009-07-21 9:34 PM
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I get out of the saddle sometimes when I'm going up a hill, but the way these guys are doing it makes me feel like I'm standing still when I climb.
2009-07-21 10:06 PM
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RalBorseth - 2009-07-21 7:06 PM

I want to know how the hell they can climb out of the saddle for so long (dancing on the pedals as Phil Liggett says).  My legs are on fire after a few minutes of climbing out of the saddle.

BTW, how many of you do this during a tri when climbing hills?  Does it help, hurt?  Sometimes during a race, I'll get out of the saddle on a hill because I feel like I might fall over if I stay seated.

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You can train riding out-of-the saddle to a point where it doesn't take much more effort than sitting and since it uses slightly different muscles, your seated riding muscles get a little rest and you feel stronger once you sit back down. I'd certainly be out of the saddle some on hills in a tri race if the course had significant hills.
2009-07-21 11:33 PM
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how about Lance kicking it into gear to bridge the gap, passed one cyclist (don't remember his name) who had the look of WTF?
been an interesting tour to watch (at least to me).


2009-07-22 12:23 AM
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90% of them are pumped full of drugs.

Do you think drugs will become a problem in triathlon like it is in cycling? Like if there was the difference of me qualifying for Kona for example and using drugs would get me there, if I could get away with it (I'm sure they don't test AGers) I'd pump it like there's no tomorrow...
2009-07-22 12:26 AM
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Here is an interesting article on the stage 15 climb. Kind of long but gives you an idea of the power these guys put out on climbs. http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb.html
2009-07-22 12:35 AM
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*sigh* [ /drugs. ]

I was looking at the Mt Washington Road Race/Hill Climb (I'm doing the running race, so checked out the bike race, too) - 7.6 mi, average grade 12%, sustained portions 18%, final 100 yds 22%. There is nothing approaching flat; the lowest grade looks to be about 4% and is awfully short. From the pics I've seen, those riders are out of their saddle most of the way. Good thing I've found a nice loop around my house that comes sorta close to the smallest of these grades!

But hey, do you think they could swim 2.4 mi first?
2009-07-22 8:42 AM
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Slugger - 2009-07-21 11:35 PM
*sigh* [ /drugs. ]

I was looking at the Mt Washington Road Race/Hill Climb (I'm doing the running race, so checked out the bike race, too)...


http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/nh/gorham/528486971

Yeah, that's crazy steep. 7.6 miles / 4560' climbing / 11.4% average grade. Unless it's a lot easier than what I'm used to due to the low altitude, I would not be able to ride it with my 53/39 and 12/25. I wonder what gearing Danielson uses.

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2009-07-22 8:49 AM
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this cracked me up  A tail-wind speed of 3m/s (10km/hour) reduces the power output required to 387W

ohhh,,, that's so easy... I can hold that avg 385+ for maybe 30-45 sec and it wipes me out.. having a power meter and seeing the watts these guys hold is pretty incredible to this overweight/out os shape biker


2009-07-22 9:27 AM
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Today's Stage 17 has 5 climbs:

Cormet de Roselend (1)
11.2 miles / 3405' climbing / 5.75% average grade

Col des Saisies (1)
9.38 miles / 2826' climbing / 5.7% average grade

Cote d' Araches (2)
3.92 miles / 1311' climbing / 6.3% average grade

Col de Romme (1)
5.47 miles / 2608' climbing / 9.0% average grade

Col de la Colombiere (1)
4.66 miles / 2091' climbing / 8.5% average grade

Totals:
105.32 miles / 12,241' climbing.
2009-07-22 9:45 AM
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this is going way back...but in the mid-late 80's when the Coors Classic would pass through Colorado the pros would do a hill climb up Vail Pass.  While the event was fairly well specated...nothing like in France.  Anyway, while the pros would climb Vail Pass another section of the road was open for other cyclists.  At the time I was 30-40 pounds lighter, younger, and a fairly decent climber.  We thought it would be fun to try to see if we could hang with any of them as they were doing the time trial up the pass.  It was quite humbling!  It was fun though...I remember seeing Greg Lemond riding that year.  yep, I'm really aging myself.

2009-07-22 9:53 AM
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supa-powa - 2009-07-22 1:23 AM 90% of them are pumped full of drugs. Do you think drugs will become a problem in triathlon like it is in cycling? Like if there was the difference of me qualifying for Kona for example and using drugs would get me there, if I could get away with it (I'm sure they don't test AGers) I'd pump it like there's no tomorrow...


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2009-07-22 9:57 AM
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cusetri - 2009-07-22 7:53 AM
supa-powa - 2009-07-22 1:23 AM 90% of them are pumped full of drugs. Do you think drugs will become a problem in triathlon like it is in cycling? Like if there was the difference of me qualifying for Kona for example and using drugs would get me there, if I could get away with it (I'm sure they don't test AGers) I'd pump it like there's no tomorrow...


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2009-07-22 9:58 AM
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slightly off topic but still tdf - did you hear on the commentary that on their DAY OFF in tdf they still ride 2.5 hours with some tempo!


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ChrisM - 2009-07-22 8:57 AM
cusetri - 2009-07-22 7:53 AM
supa-powa - 2009-07-22 1:23 AM 90% of them are pumped full of drugs. Do you think drugs will become a problem in triathlon like it is in cycling? Like if there was the difference of me qualifying for Kona for example and using drugs would get me there, if I could get away with it (I'm sure they don't test AGers) I'd pump it like there's no tomorrow...


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Are you sure you're not already on drugs?  And I don't mean the performance enhancing kind.  That's quite an accusation there.  Not even going to comment on the 2nd half of your post.
2009-07-22 11:30 AM
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breckview - 2009-07-21 11:06 PM
RalBorseth - 2009-07-21 7:06 PM

I want to know how the hell they can climb out of the saddle for so long (dancing on the pedals as Phil Liggett says).  My legs are on fire after a few minutes of climbing out of the saddle.

BTW, how many of you do this during a tri when climbing hills?  Does it help, hurt?  Sometimes during a race, I'll get out of the saddle on a hill because I feel like I might fall over if I stay seated.

rb

You can train riding out-of-the saddle to a point where it doesn't take much more effort than sitting and since it uses slightly different muscles, your seated riding muscles get a little rest and you feel stronger once you sit back down. I'd certainly be out of the saddle some on hills in a tri race if the course had significant hills.

Really?  I guess I have another thing to work on

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supa-powa - 2009-07-21 10:23 PM 90% of them are pumped full of drugs. Do you think drugs will become a problem in triathlon like it is in cycling? Like if there was the difference of me qualifying for Kona for example and using drugs would get me there, if I could get away with it (I'm sure they don't test AGers) I'd pump it like there's no tomorrow...


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