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2013-07-16 8:17 AM

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Yesterday evening I took my mountain bike out for a quick decompression ride. While riding on a gravel multi use path I was passed by a guy open carrying a pistol on his belt (AKA small black gun- I think pistol is the correct term- but could be wrong.) Open carry is perfectly legal where I live.

As a female riding alone I have to say I was pretty intimidated and am now questioning my safety - as I probably should have done prior. Although I live in a pretty darn safe place riding through cornfields is a little intimidating (Thanks Children of the Corn.) Maybe I should get a scythe.

Strange things I noticed - He was on a nice mountain bike and had pink sports drink in his clear water bottle, but was not dressed for a workout- cotton cargo shorts, tucked in polo shirt with belt. Just a strange combo. Usually I only grab sports drink if I'm also dressing for a workout.

So, sage BTers how would you react to this?



2013-07-16 8:20 AM
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maybe he was just a thirsty, green-friendly/car-eschewing, NRA member trying to go somewhere?

I guess I wouldn't think too much of it.
2013-07-16 8:23 AM
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Wouldn't think twice about it.  Probably just riding around.  Enjoying the outdoors.  Probably always carries.  Could have been going to his kids softball game?  Could have been heading into work?  Who knows.  If anything, I'd probably feel safer knowing that would be crooks might see him and think twice about robbing someone on the trail. 
2013-07-16 8:25 AM
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Maybe I missed something but so what?

Was he threatening you? Was he waving it around? Was he doing ... -er- ANYTHING that other people on mountain bikes weren't doing?

Quite a few 911 operators are being trained to ask those type questions and if the answer is none of the above, ignore it.

Being scared of an inanimate object is not rational. How many concealed weapon carriers do you pass daily? How many have ever been a problem?

I live and train in an open carry state where open carry is not all that frequent but not exactly rare either. It's one of the biggest non-issues ever.

Could he have been on his way to/from work and that's why he was dressed as such? Maybe just leave the bottle on the bike and not think about it until the bottle's empty? Dunno.


2013-07-16 8:29 AM
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open carry is legal here in VA and it's always slightly awkward for me - but that's only because i'm personally uncomfortable with guns. 

i don't think that the way he's dressed or that he's drinking gatorade are weird.  if anything, that makes him even LESS sketchy.  what thug that wants to shoot up a bike trail is rocking a polo shirt and pink gatorade?



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2013-07-16 8:35 AM
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I think the truth is- I did feel a little safer seeing this particular guy- but it still triggered a response in me to evaluate what I am doing. I mean if this big dude felt the need to carry a gun, should I feel the same way? He sure looked like he would do better in a fight with a trouble causer than I would.

I've thought in the past a few times about how safe I was and this is just making me re-evaluate it.


2013-07-16 8:46 AM
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I think the truth is- I did feel a little safer seeing this particular guy- but it still triggered a response in me to evaluate what I am doing. I mean if this big dude felt the need to carry a gun, should I feel the same way? He sure looked like he would do better in a fight with a trouble causer than I would.

I've thought in the past a few times about how safe I was and this is just making me re-evaluate it.


So, go get a basic pistol defense class and get your permit.

It's all about a person's right to choose. Just make sure you have looked at all the options as well.

You want a one-liner? Sit down with yourself and ask, "Could I actually pull the trigger on another human being?" If your answer is no, don't ever carry a firearm. Get one if you wish and have a blast at the range, compete with it etc but carry pepper spray or another non-lethal defense item. A firearm is a very, very, last choice option when you're out of everything else including the ability to get the hell out of there.

Notice there is nothing political in there at all, it's just a thought process you should have already gone through before starting the path towards carrying.

2013-07-16 8:48 AM
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Originally posted by Moonrocket

I think the truth is- I did feel a little safer seeing this particular guy- but it still triggered a response in me to evaluate what I am doing. I mean if this big dude felt the need to carry a gun, should I feel the same way? He sure looked like he would do better in a fight with a trouble causer than I would.

I've thought in the past a few times about how safe I was and this is just making me re-evaluate it.


Most LEOs carry even when off duty.
2013-07-16 8:51 AM
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Nothing is a ultimate trump card. If you can't take care of yourself, a gun is pretty useless. If you want something to make you "feel" better, it does not mean you are any safer.

Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher. Many gun owners do not open carry because it causes more problems that it solves. If you ever find your self in a bad situation... then you just put a target on you. Yet open carry is legal, and I have no idea why "seeing" a gun is such a problem.

Anything is better than nothing. Knife, pepper spray, tazer, set of keys. But you need to know how to use them. And if you want to carry a gun, then not only do you need to know how to use it, but you need to be ready for the responsibility and liability that brings. But as far as the rider, you have no idea what so ever what is reasons for doing what he is lawfully doing. He could easily be an off duty police officer. He could have a hit on him, he could like how people give him a wide berth... who knows.

2013-07-16 9:10 AM
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Has there been a run on people jumping out of the corn and attacking folks that I've missed?
2013-07-16 9:20 AM
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I think that is extremely strange and would not ride there again if you value your life. You're probably lucky to be with us today. Just kidding. I wouldn't worry much about it. If you are freaked out, ride somewhere different or with a friend.


2013-07-16 9:43 AM
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Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher.




I often see people and think Cute scarf, hey that new coat I got would look cute with a blue scarf, maybe I should go get one. Or nice car, I wonder what the mileage on that is- would it make sense to for me to get a new car since mine is a total gas guzzler. Or, wow that person is swimming fast, what are they doing that makes their stroke so efficient? Should I not consider these things because these people are not doing illegal things?

Why not think- hey that guy has a gun, he seems to think he needs one, would I be safer with one or is there another way to make myself safer?

I think keeping an open mind about where you can make improvements is an important part of life.
2013-07-16 9:46 AM
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Originally posted by powerman

Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher.

I often see people and think Cute scarf, hey that new coat I got would look cute with a blue scarf, maybe I should go get one. Or nice car, I wonder what the mileage on that is- would it make sense to for me to get a new car since mine is a total gas guzzler. Or, wow that person is swimming fast, what are they doing that makes their stroke so efficient? Should I not consider these things because these people are not doing illegal things? Why not think- hey that guy has a gun, he seems to think he needs one, would I be safer with one or is there another way to make myself safer? I think keeping an open mind about where you can make improvements is an important part of life.

You know, I think it is the right of any citizen to carry a gun, and I will defend it vehemently.......but I'd stop WAAAAAAAY short of calling it an improvement in life.  Just some more for you to think about.

2013-07-16 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain Has there been a run on people jumping out of the corn and attacking folks that I've missed?

This is what I was thinking... I ride through sprawling farmlands on every ride and feel more safe than I do in the city.

I'm much more leery of a farm dog running out of the fields and getting caught in my wheel than a murderer. I could probably out-ride a murderer, but farm dogs? Those guys are FAST, even the little ones. Laughing



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2013-07-16 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by powerman

Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher.




I often see people and think Cute scarf, hey that new coat I got would look cute with a blue scarf, maybe I should go get one. Or nice car, I wonder what the mileage on that is- would it make sense to for me to get a new car since mine is a total gas guzzler. Or, wow that person is swimming fast, what are they doing that makes their stroke so efficient? Should I not consider these things because these people are not doing illegal things?

Why not think- hey that guy has a gun, he seems to think he needs one, would I be safer with one or is there another way to make myself safer?

I think keeping an open mind about where you can make improvements is an important part of life.


I actually have the same types of thoughts as you do, but sometimes it's the opposite like "oh, that person is wearing a cute scarf, I wonder why they're wearing a scarf when it's 80 degrees out." For the guy with the gun, I might think "oh, he has a gun, I wonder if he's some kind of FBI agent." Totally random, but there could be a million reasons why he's carrying the gun, I really wouldn't worry about it unless your instinct and/or other factors are really telling you it's not safe.
2013-07-16 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Left Brain Has there been a run on people jumping out of the corn and attacking folks that I've missed?

This is what I was thinking... I ride through sprawling farmlands on every ride and feel more safe than I do in the city.

I'm much more leery of a farm dog running out of the fields and getting caught in my wheel than a murderer. I could probably out-ride a murderer, but farm dogs? Those guys are FAST, even the little ones. Laughing




Which is why you need a gun! To shoot all the nefarious characters, or dogs, that you find in the middle of a cornfield!

I've seen Old Yeller. I know what's going on out in the country.


2013-07-16 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by Left Brain Has there been a run on people jumping out of the corn and attacking folks that I've missed?

This is what I was thinking... I ride through sprawling farmlands on every ride and feel more safe than I do in the city.

I'm much more leery of a farm dog running out of the fields and getting caught in my wheel than a murderer. I could probably out-ride a murderer, but farm dogs? Those guys are FAST, even the little ones. Laughing




Which is why you need a gun! To shoot all the nefarious characters, or dogs, that you find in the middle of a cornfield!

I've seen Old Yeller. I know what's going on out in the country.


Just think, it's a decision you'll be able to make for yourself in six months or so.

2013-07-16 12:35 PM
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I understand what you are saying OP.

I recently saw a guy in camo pants, black tshirt, mullet and hat at the grocery store. He also had a huge 1911 .45 hanging off his belt.

I live in Idaho, grew up around guns, have guns, like guns, have no problem with people carrying guns. 

But when I saw his gun it still gave me pause. Mostly because you just don't see average joe citizen carrying a gun very often in today's society. It is just out of the ordinary so yes it can make you stop and think, absolutely nothing wrong with that IMO.

When I saw it I thought at first, what the heck? Then I thought, why was that my reaction? Then I thought, that was a nice looking gun!

As far as you carrying a gun... You need to learn about them, do a lot of thinking about yourself and what you are comfortable with and then if you decide to get one get some good training and practice with it.

I personally do carry when I ride by myself. I ride in the country so aggressive dogs can be an issue, but also aggressive drivers. I have had someone repeatedly try to run me off the road then surged ahead and got out of their car and came at me. I was able to get enough speed to swerve around and avoid them and eventually get away but it was just me and the driver out there, no one to help me.

Just the other day my wife was almost clipped by a driver who then pulled over and jumped out of his car in an attempt to physically and verbally confront her. She sped away and luckily there was a cop right around the next corner so she was able to stop and get help, in another situation and with an aggressive enough person she may not have been as lucky.

I don't advocate shooting someone for buzzing you or even pulling over and trying to confront you. But if they manage to get you stopped and then attempt to do grievous bodily harm to you then I have no problem with the cyclist having a method of self defense. I just make sure not to use the gun as a crutch to be a tough guy and confront drivers. I ignore them and try to get away just as I would if I was not carrying.  

2013-07-16 1:17 PM
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I understand what you are saying OP.

I recently saw a guy in camo pants, black tshirt, mullet and hat at the grocery store. He also had a huge 1911 .45 hanging off his belt.

I live in Idaho, grew up around guns, have guns, like guns, have no problem with people carrying guns. 

But when I saw his gun it still gave me pause. Mostly because you just don't see average joe citizen carrying a gun very often in today's society. It is just out of the ordinary so yes it can make you stop and think, absolutely nothing wrong with that IMO.

When I saw it I thought at first, what the heck? Then I thought, why was that my reaction? Then I thought, that was a nice looking gun!

As far as you carrying a gun... You need to learn about them, do a lot of thinking about yourself and what you are comfortable with and then if you decide to get one get some good training and practice with it.

I personally do carry when I ride by myself. I ride in the country so aggressive dogs can be an issue, but also aggressive drivers. I have had someone repeatedly try to run me off the road then surged ahead and got out of their car and came at me. I was able to get enough speed to swerve around and avoid them and eventually get away but it was just me and the driver out there, no one to help me.

Just the other day my wife was almost clipped by a driver who then pulled over and jumped out of his car in an attempt to physically and verbally confront her. She sped away and luckily there was a cop right around the next corner so she was able to stop and get help, in another situation and with an aggressive enough person she may not have been as lucky.

I don't advocate shooting someone for buzzing you or even pulling over and trying to confront you. But if they manage to get you stopped and then attempt to do grievous bodily harm to you then I have no problem with the cyclist having a method of self defense. I just make sure not to use the gun as a crutch to be a tough guy and confront drivers. I ignore them and try to get away just as I would if I was not carrying.  

Have you seen what your shoe can do to a car hood?  I don't know how I know, I just do.  Imagining someone's head on the other end of that shoe is too much for me to even bear.  Laughing

2013-07-16 2:14 PM
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Originally posted by Moonrocket

Yesterday evening I took my mountain bike out for a quick decompression ride. While riding on a gravel multi use path I was passed by a guy open carrying a pistol on his belt (AKA small black gun- I think pistol is the correct term- but could be wrong.) Open carry is perfectly legal where I live.

As a female riding alone I have to say I was pretty intimidated and am now questioning my safety - as I probably should have done prior. Although I live in a pretty darn safe place riding through cornfields is a little intimidating (Thanks Children of the Corn.) Maybe I should get a scythe.

Strange things I noticed - He was on a nice mountain bike and had pink sports drink in his clear water bottle, but was not dressed for a workout- cotton cargo shorts, tucked in polo shirt with belt. Just a strange combo. Usually I only grab sports drink if I'm also dressing for a workout.

So, sage BTers how would you react to this?




that is DEFINITELY law enforcement (I would guess BP or ICE). - I work with law enforcment and they are required to wear the polo shirt, cargo shorts and belt when out biking as part of their fitness schtick. ...they get paid to stay in shape, but need to be "in uniform."
2013-07-16 2:16 PM
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Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher.

I often see people and think Cute scarf, hey that new coat I got would look cute with a blue scarf, maybe I should go get one. Or nice car, I wonder what the mileage on that is- would it make sense to for me to get a new car since mine is a total gas guzzler. Or, wow that person is swimming fast, what are they doing that makes their stroke so efficient? Should I not consider these things because these people are not doing illegal things? Why not think- hey that guy has a gun, he seems to think he needs one, would I be safer with one or is there another way to make myself safer? I think keeping an open mind about where you can make improvements is an important part of life.

My bad, originally you said this:

As a female riding alone I have to say I was pretty intimidated and am now questioning my safety - as I probably should have done prior. Although I live in a pretty darn safe place riding through cornfields is a little intimidating (Thanks Children of the Corn.) Maybe I should get a scythe.

And I took that to mean you were intimidated about the gun. Sure, just noticing things...yes. And now that you explained why you were interested... so be it. And if someon was open carrying... absolutely, I would notice it, then look at what it was and see what he carried. Just like a scarf.

Obviously the gun thing has been round and round lately... but you do not have to start there. If you think to yourself what woul dmake you safer when you are all by yourself.... well there are a lot of less than lethal options. Self defense classes, mace, perpper, loud things, knives... And then yes, a gun. Even myself... out training on a run or a ride... really, I need to bring a gun? Well I might need it, but so far in all my years I never have. But if you are going to carry for that "ONE" time... then ya, you need to carry 24/7 becuase you will never know when that "one" time will be. Then the whole logistics thing or where and how is it going to work... it's kind of a lot of work. Not at all saying don't, but it isn't exactly a small dispenser of pepper spray on your key chain.

But by all means, if you want to take charge of your safety, then do what you feel best. And when the police are only 15 minutes away... well, you are on your own.

Best advice yet is to take a basic hand gun course. They breech the subject and get you to look at these things. Even if you never purchase, or decide this is not the route for you, then you have made a decsision and can go from there. Not all are the same, but in mine they made it perfectly clear what it was about, and there is never anything wrong with just learning about things.



2013-07-16 2:31 PM
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Nothing is a ultimate trump card. If you can't take care of yourself, a gun is pretty useless. If you want something to make you "feel" better, it does not mean you are any safer.

Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher. Many gun owners do not open carry because it causes more problems that it solves. If you ever find your self in a bad situation... then you just put a target on you. Yet open carry is legal, and I have no idea why "seeing" a gun is such a problem.

Anything is better than nothing. Knife, pepper spray, tazer, set of keys. But you need to know how to use them. And if you want to carry a gun, then not only do you need to know how to use it, but you need to be ready for the responsibility and liability that brings. But as far as the rider, you have no idea what so ever what is reasons for doing what he is lawfully doing. He could easily be an off duty police officer. He could have a hit on him, he could like how people give him a wide berth... who knows.




I am going to have to disagree. if you see someone doing something out of the ordinary, it is your responsibility as a citizen to have a second look and at least discern what's going on. it caught your eye for a reason. we can't all live by the moto that it's not my problem. I would like OP to come across my path if I flatted three times on my ride and have no tubes left. she would help me --- rather than say, she's going lawfully about her business, so shall I.

second, you also have responsibility for being aware and taking note of your surroundings when out and about. being oblivious or discounting anything that caught your eye as, they aren't breaking the law -- I don't want them to start breaking the law when I get to where they are and i can't blame govt for not being there to protect me when I myself don't pay attention to possible dangers. I have no doubt this guy is law enforcement, but that does not mean OP shouldn't have taken a second look and wondered, and asked.

OP, you can ride in my community and wonder what I am doing any time.
2013-07-16 2:46 PM
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Nothing is a ultimate trump card. If you can't take care of yourself, a gun is pretty useless. If you want something to make you "feel" better, it does not mean you are any safer.

Why you feel anything for a person going about their business lawfully is a head scratcher. Many gun owners do not open carry because it causes more problems that it solves. If you ever find your self in a bad situation... then you just put a target on you. Yet open carry is legal, and I have no idea why "seeing" a gun is such a problem.

Anything is better than nothing. Knife, pepper spray, tazer, set of keys. But you need to know how to use them. And if you want to carry a gun, then not only do you need to know how to use it, but you need to be ready for the responsibility and liability that brings. But as far as the rider, you have no idea what so ever what is reasons for doing what he is lawfully doing. He could easily be an off duty police officer. He could have a hit on him, he could like how people give him a wide berth... who knows.

I am going to have to disagree. if you see someone doing something out of the ordinary, it is your responsibility as a citizen to have a second look and at least discern what's going on. it caught your eye for a reason. we can't all live by the moto that it's not my problem. I would like OP to come across my path if I flatted three times on my ride and have no tubes left. she would help me --- rather than say, she's going lawfully about her business, so shall I. second, you also have responsibility for being aware and taking note of your surroundings when out and about. being oblivious or discounting anything that caught your eye as, they aren't breaking the law -- I don't want them to start breaking the law when I get to where they are and i can't blame govt for not being there to protect me when I myself don't pay attention to possible dangers. I have no doubt this guy is law enforcement, but that does not mean OP shouldn't have taken a second look and wondered, and asked. OP, you can ride in my community and wonder what I am doing any time.

Ya... no.

A gun in and of it's self is no reason to be concerned for me period. In fact, I would be fine if every single citizen was armed. Then it would not look so out of place.

If a guy is DOING something to give me pause, then fine, but a guy riding a bike with a gun on his hip... is not doing ANYTHING that would cause me concern.

A guy with a flat tire is a concern, because we all nknow they are not suppose to be flat. I would offer any assistance I could before moving on... but "suspicious", no.

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Originally posted by Moonrocket

Yesterday evening I took my mountain bike out for a quick decompression ride. While riding on a gravel multi use path I was passed by a guy open carrying a pistol on his belt (AKA small black gun- I think pistol is the correct term- but could be wrong.) Open carry is perfectly legal where I live.

As a female riding alone I have to say I was pretty intimidated and am now questioning my safety - as I probably should have done prior. Although I live in a pretty darn safe place riding through cornfields is a little intimidating (Thanks Children of the Corn.) Maybe I should get a scythe.

Strange things I noticed - He was on a nice mountain bike and had pink sports drink in his clear water bottle, but was not dressed for a workout- cotton cargo shorts, tucked in polo shirt with belt. Just a strange combo. Usually I only grab sports drink if I'm also dressing for a workout.

So, sage BTers how would you react to this?





Did his helmet have any discernible markings? Usually the police have some sort of marking to let people know they are in fact cops. Unless he was undercover in the corn field, of course.
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