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2008-08-14 10:11 AM


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Just wondering, what do the "experts" here consider when choosing a location for a transition site? Naturally, I'm assuming that there's no delegated rows/spots according to bib number.

Have you ever chosen a spot, then 10 minutes later said, "Maybe I should move?"

Does the distance you'll have to travel in/out with the bike matter?

Strategies? Thoughts?


2008-08-14 10:15 AM
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I tend to set up near bike out. Since I do not have my shoes clipped in and wear my bike shoes, it's less time running in them to bike out. I do the flying dismount into T2 however.
2008-08-14 10:16 AM
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Assuming there are no assigned spots on the racks, then I prefer to get a spot as close to the outside of the racks as possible. Distance from transition area exits isn't quite as important for me. If there is more than one outside spot available (depending on how early you get there), then I prefer to find one with some sort of a landmark. This might be the rack closest to one of the transition entrances, or near something like a signpost or tree. I just made the rookie mistake a few weeks ago of running right past my transition spot because it wasn't in a particularly memorable location!
2008-08-14 10:16 AM
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Every tri I've done (even the smaller ones) has a designated spot for the athlete.  I've never had the option to choose where I wanted to go.
2008-08-14 10:17 AM
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You want to run with your bike as little as possible I have been told.  This is tough if bike in and out are at opposite locations of transition but if they are right next to each other camp out close to them.  Some races make you go a certain direction though to even this out.  I usually just try and get an end spot.
2008-08-14 10:21 AM
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Daremo - 2008-08-14 11:16 AM Every tri I've done (even the smaller ones) has a designated spot for the athlete. I've never had the option to choose where I wanted to go.

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2008-08-14 10:24 AM
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Daremo - 2008-08-14 11:16 AM Every tri I've done (even the smaller ones) has a designated spot for the athlete. I've never had the option to choose where I wanted to go.

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I have never had a dedicated spot but about half my races have a range of numbers per rack.  I think it really depends on the race organzers.  Personally I would like the assign spots.  I generally get there early so I can get an end spot and this would eliminate that plus I have to worry about someone moving my bike to take my end spot.
2008-08-14 10:25 AM
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SteveF - 2008-08-14 11:11 AM Just wondering, what do the "experts" here consider when choosing a location for a transition site? Naturally, I'm assuming that there's no delegated rows/spots according to bib number. Have you ever chosen a spot, then 10 minutes later said, "Maybe I should move?" Does the distance you'll have to travel in/out with the bike matter? Strategies? Thoughts?

You will most likely be assigned a row. Not necessarily a spot on the rack, but a row. If many cases, the transition is set up so that you come in one side and exit out the other, and then vice versa, so that everyone has to run through the basically the whole thing, so distance is less of an issue.

2008-08-14 10:43 AM
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There are a few Free For Alls around here. I kinda of like them too. I usually get close to the bike exit/enter and close to the end of a bike rack. So I can run in, grab bike and not have to run too far, get around many people with my bike to get out. This way your longer transition is without the bike, making it faster than it would be. Though if it's a free for all getting there a bit early pays off.
2008-08-14 10:57 AM
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Daremo - 2008-08-14 10:16 AM Every tri I've done (even the smaller ones) has a designated spot for the athlete.  I've never had the option to choose where I wanted to go.

A quick peek at your race logs shows you've done exactly one sprint. You really need to get out more.

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At least half of my races are first-come, first-serve. My ordered preferences are:

  1. an end spot,
  2. on the right of the aisle (so that I grab/move/nount my bike from the left, non-drivetrain side)
  3. near the bike exit.

This is such a small tight-knit triathlon community that there's a group of regulars who get to the smaller races early and help set up the racks (if they weren't set up the night before). Really gives you the best pick of the spots. 



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2008-08-14 11:00 AM
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Yeah, damn those long distance events .......

But I did say "small" not "short."  Even the Chessieman race which had all of about 300 participants total had designated spots.



2008-08-14 11:10 AM
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Daremo - 2008-08-14 11:00 AM

Yeah, damn those long distance events .......

But I did say "small" not "short."  Even the Chessieman race which had all of about 300 participants total had designated spots.

"Short" usually means "small," at least around here. There are more of sprints, supply and demand and logisitics keeps them small. 300 participants around here is not "small." The biggest local triathlon, CajunMan, is a sprint that caps registration at 450. The next biggest is probably <250.

 

2008-08-14 11:12 AM
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I would get there early (earlier than you think). This will allow you to set up where you feel most comfortable in the designated rack according to your bib #. There is a great video on  the BT site that shows you how to set up and strategize rack positioning.   
2008-08-14 11:17 AM
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I used to care about getting an end spot or something like that, but at this point it makes absolutely no difference to me where I rack my bike. At most races that I do the difference between the best and worst spots is probably 2 seconds or so.

I do, however, try to avoid racking next to people with twice the normal amount of stuff.
2008-08-14 11:19 AM
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2008-08-14 11:19 AM
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smilford - 2008-08-14 11:43 AM

There are a few Free For Alls around here. I kinda of like them too. I usually get close to the bike exit/enter and close to the end of a bike rack. So I can run in, grab bike and not have to run too far, get around many people with my bike to get out. This way your longer transition is without the bike, making it faster than it would be. Though if it's a free for all getting there a bit early pays off.


I did a sprint this past weekend that had assigned locations but the organizers (more likely the volunteers) threw the stickers with the bib #'s, name etc. on the bar really quickly as they weren't properly spaced out at all. Plus there were a ton of newbies and they didn't even realize the racks were assigned let alone spots ON the rack, essentially turning it into a free for all anyway.

I've learned over the years to set up early in transition and hang around for a while eating and drinking etc., watching the other participants come in so essentially I'm guarding my stuff. Even so this past weekend I went out to use the porta pottie and came back and both my bike shoes and running shoes were off my towel and the front wheel of my bike was turned sideways and caught on the pedal of the bike next to me.

In other words, I recommend watching your transition area closely.


2008-08-14 11:21 AM
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I have had all three styles - mostly first-come-first-serve.

If you have an assigned spot - well, there's your answer....

Other races have racks with ranges of bib numbers assigned.  You can pick your spot anywhere on the rack.  I like to pick the end closest to the bike out.

The first come first serve races, I put my bike as close the bike out as well.  I think I'm faster running without the bike than with, so the least amount of time/distance I need to run without the bike the better.  Even if it means long runs out of the swim or out to the run.

SOME people consider a location that's easy to find.  No point of looking for a quick spot if you can't find you bike.  But I only had that problem once.  People use a lot of creative way to find their rack.  I find a landmark (suchs as the second rack after the silly balloons or chalk arrow some one put down).  Then I have a loud neon towel that can't be missed.

2008-08-14 11:26 AM
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I'm embarrassed to ask this question, but I always thought that the bikes were suppose to go numerically on your designated rack, with the lowest number taking the first spot, then the second number on the opposite side, and so on until you fill the rack.  Is that not necessary - then I am totally snagging the outside spot!!!
2008-08-14 11:27 AM
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Aikidoman - 2008-08-14 11:21 AM

 Then I have a loud neon towel that can't be missed.

Maybe a bright yellow bucket can solve all those transition problems!

yellow

2008-08-14 11:28 AM
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tahrens - 2008-08-14 11:26 AM I'm embarrassed to ask this question, but I always thought that the bikes were suppose to go numerically on your designated rack, with the lowest number taking the first spot, then the second number on the opposite side, and so on until you fill the rack.  Is that not necessary - then I am totally snagging the outside spot!!!

Read the thread. Some races thy're assigned, some races they aren't.

2008-08-14 11:28 AM
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the bear - 2008-08-14 12:27 PM
Aikidoman - 2008-08-14 11:21 AM

Then I have a loud neon towel that can't be missed.

Maybe a bright yellow bucket can solve all those transition problems!

yellow

Dude, that is just D-U-M. 



2008-08-14 11:30 AM
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newleaf - 2008-08-14 11:28 AM
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Aikidoman - 2008-08-14 11:21 AM

Then I have a loud neon towel that can't be missed.

Maybe a bright yellow bucket can solve all those transition problems!

yellow

Dude, that is just D-U-M. 

You're right, Everyone knows red is faster!

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2008-08-14 11:35 AM
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the bear - 2008-08-14 12:28 PM

tahrens - 2008-08-14 11:26 AM I'm embarrassed to ask this question, but I always thought that the bikes were suppose to go numerically on your designated rack, with the lowest number taking the first spot, then the second number on the opposite side, and so on until you fill the rack.  Is that not necessary - then I am totally snagging the outside spot!!!

Read the thread. Some races thy're assigned, some races they aren't.

Sorry, that last posting that spoke about individual spots wasn't up when I was writing my question. When it was said "assigned" I assumed it was referencing a range of numbers per rack. I was just checking my race etiquette.

2008-08-14 11:40 AM
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tahrens - 2008-08-14 11:35 AM
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tahrens - 2008-08-14 11:26 AM I'm embarrassed to ask this question, but I always thought that the bikes were suppose to go numerically on your designated rack, with the lowest number taking the first spot, then the second number on the opposite side, and so on until you fill the rack.  Is that not necessary - then I am totally snagging the outside spot!!!

Read the thread. Some races thy're assigned, some races they aren't.

Sorry, that last posting that spoke about individual spots wasn't up when I was writing my question. When it was said "assigned" I assumed it was referencing a range of numbers per rack. I was just checking my race etiquette.

Yeah, even if they only specify a range, the position on the rack is first-come first-serve. RiverCities (1300 participants) is like that. I was like the 10th person in transition but someone had already  beat me to the end spot on my assigned rack.

2008-08-14 12:53 PM
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Three Comments:

(1) I always take the closest spot to the Aisle or exit point. Why run any farther than you need to.

(2) The races I have done, they assign you a rack; but if I had my choice..it would be closest to bike out/bike in.

(3) At my last race, USAT officials were enforcing the "wheel down" rule...which means that you have to have your gear on the side where your wheel is down (i.e., if hanging your bike by your seat...your front wheel is down on the ground..your gear had to be on the side of the front wheel). Has anyone else ever seen that enforced? They were also moving people closer to gether if they felt you were being a rack hog.

I guess its a space issue (it was a big race..over 2,000 athletes)..but I have just not seen that enforced before.

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